Do think that La Leche League are now a danger to babies?

As a woman who had a lot of problems breastfeeding, I would agree with you if people were actually making statements about the supply that was disparaging women.

The issue is (and was picked up by a pp just upthread), that medical staff encouraging this practice ignore the amount that the infants are receiving. AND that the male people doing this (as was in the case of Buckley and the other male in the study I posted) ignore the fact that they are not making enough to feed their child. Their focus is on the benefit to them!

There is a significant ethical issue in what these medical clinicians are allowing to happen based on the known fact that no male person has ever produced a quantity to feed a child past a certain stage. This is the difference.

Of course women should be encouraged to combination feed and I completely understand the feelings of posters who have had significant issues with organisations and health care professionals that have made them feel that this was not fully acceptable.

Well quite.

It's just anything goes from here on in, isn't it?

People need to find their moral compasses and start using them.

I just despair

If this isn't your red line I'm going to assume you don't have one.

My point exactly. Women are controlled when they are pregnant: no alcohol, not allowed certain foods, no medication, watch your heart rate when exercising etc etc. Stupid bars staff telling a pregnant woman she can't have a glass of wine or retail staff stopping her from buying a bottle of wine (which may not be for her anyway).

A male bodied person swans in, takes drugs and it's all fine?

It's not just domperideone that these men are taking it only 1 of several drugs that are taken in combination to produce the excretions in males (its not breast milk).
You however were given 1 drug for presumably a relatively short time to help increase your natural milk production which is a completely different thing and not what is being discussed on this thread

You're OK with males being assisted to have an excuse for having infants made to suck their nipples?

That's what the problem is, not the medication, not anything else. It's giving males an excuse to have infants suck parts of their body.

What 'reasonable' explanation can you put forward for men wanting to breastfeed or wanting to watch women they don't know breastfeed? I am all ears.

We need to be able to call out perversion. Vulnerable members of society (in this case newborn's and their mothers) need us to protect them.

I agree it should be compared to formula, because its never going to have the feedback changes that breastmilk has - from what I understand there is a natural washback from the baby's saliva that informs the womans body as to what the baby is needing at that time. The male body just doesnt have the physiology for it.

and actually the sooner its done so this appalling situation is stopped in its tracks, the better

I think you have to consider quantities. The study I just looked at had the transwoman on 100mg twice a day. It seems the most a woman might be prescribed is 20mg three times a day.

If a woman was desperate to breastfeed, and distressed that she couldn't, would she be prescribed 200mg a day? If not, why not? Would it be because of safety concerns?

Its not the same. We should be outraged that men are being encouraged to use babies to suck on their nipples, and that people are encouraging that.

Scaremongering overreaction. They promote breastfeeding, how the heck is this endangering babies?
Seems like the Daily Hate's usual fare, and as ever some people fall for it. Just like they used to with gay Scoutmasters and teachers. Exact same playbook.

The milk really isn't the issue.

Its as if people have learned nothing from any safeguarding failure that has happened in the past.
Sex offenders will groom others not just to turn a blind eye to allow them access to children, but also to act as camouflage for them ('if we're all doing it its 'normal', and they can't arrest us all').
Its bad enough when social groups let that happen, its beyond belief that any organisation involved with children still hasn't grasped how grooming works.

It is 2 fold for trans issues - testosterone taken by natal women identifying as men and the hormone regime taken by natel men identifying as women

I think I need to go and find where I did the comparison.

Either way, as I just typed out for Dragon, the issue actually is with the interaction with all the other drugs they take for transition and with their testosterone suppression. And I posted something about that comparison up thread. The issue is that testosterone suppression is notoriously unreliable and even with suppression, the testosterone levels is the high range for PCOS women. And does the suppression drugs change the testosterone composition even slightly to mean that any interaction is different and whether it is amplified in the substance they are secreting.

Do you see the issues? The issue is that chemicals react differently in male bodies. What is fine for a female body and how they process it, is reasonable to consider that it is different when interacting with a male body.

What they are feeding to infants has not been tested in any way that is adequate. They tested nutrition levels. That is it. And that nutrition level also is unchanging unlike the interaction between a mother and their child where the mother's body reacts directly to the needs of the child.

Your milk was assisted by a drug. It is naturally produced by your body. There is a huge difference.

Of course the disgust is at males using these drugs.

Couldn't agree more.

The derision of supply enhancing drugs and the fact that that these threads often like to use the argument that they can't even produce a full supply and have to bottle feed alongside anyway so whats the point is deeply offensive to me and other women who struggled.

Surely as @Pelagi says, the comparison should be between formula and male milk. A male can't ever produce female milk anyhow so it's a moot point?

When I think of all the women who couldn't breastfeed for whatever reason and were shamed and felt long term guilt it makes me even madder.

I agree, for a full breakdown, especially in regard to drugs. But there wouldn't be anything stopping anyone looking at a simple chemical analysis and seeing if it is even in the same ballpark as formula re things like vitamins, minerals, protein, carbs etc.
If it is pretty similar, interested parties can choose to fund more research into the more complex issues you mention.
If it is not similar enough to formula to provide adequate nutrition, then that book is closed - ban it.

I think it would need more than a few sample studies as people break down / metabolise chemicals,.medications and hormones at different rates - eg opiates and how that presents in the sample will potentially differ per person and possibly within the same person over a day or week as metabolic rate may differ throughout days and over weeks.

Grotbags and the institutions and narratives that play the trojan horse to their child abusing fetishes need to be completely jettisoned from society. This will be church scandal in the decades that come.

I was prescribed domperideone, just the 10mg 3 times a day. I’d rather not think of my milk as drug induced fluid, but hopefully the disgust at the medication is only with regard to men taking it.

The issue is not necessarily Domperidone which is a chemical that I know many women who take it do so very carefully and with full consideration.

I think I did a search once and found it was the quantities and the duration of the treatment for sustaining this male supply versus anything which women were taking. I will go and find it.

However, it is also the complete lack of study of the interaction to Domperidone (needed by some women) with testosterone and any other (often quite a number) of drugs taken by those male people. I don't believe that the women taking the drug would be taking the drug regimen that these male people would be on, so those interactions would not be tested.

Hence, the focus on the composition of that substance.

Man milk is the chemically induced excretions produced by men who identify as women who are taking a cocktail of drugs with the intent of "feeding" a baby 🤮