Do think that La Leche League are now a danger to babies?

So for every attempt, there is a woman handing over her tiny new baby for this experiment.
FFS. Why would you?

I don't know why people are assuming that @HorsePeopleAreStablePeople is supportingt the idea of males trying to breastfeed. Her initial post (11.09 today) was about her potentially dangerous experience with LLL. I have no difficulty in believing that as I saw from a distance that some women were absolutely fanatical about breastfeeding way back in the 90s when my children were born. I was fortunate to have no difficulties with breastfeeding, I enjoyed it and did it for over a year with each of my children, and I got there with excellent support from NHS midwives after my first child was born. However, if I had struggled, I would have gone over to formula rather than make my life a misery and risk my baby's health. Formula milk is OK. My brother and I were raised on it and we've turned out all right. Breast is best, undoubtedly, but not at any cost.

So you’re shooting into your own fish barrel? You think a helpful input to a discussion is correcting somebodies spelling? Ok…

Btw, I think you meant ‘approve’ (aproof!?) and ‘where there don’t one silly’ doesn’t make any sense.

I will ask anybdoy who sounds like an apologist of perverts, like you did, if they are for clarity. I didn’t label you - I asked. This is a discussion of the most vulnerable members of society and perhaps more people need to be willing to call people out.

Have a day!

And I don't disagree with you that women should be better cared for and not pressured into only breastfeeding.

How would you like to discuss the very valid concerns about male people feeding infants if they cannot be discussed with facts that related to the issues on a parenting site called 'mumsnet'?

Is the topic around male people feeding from their nipples not to be discussed in general because you, personally, find discussing a group of male people who are forcing their bodies to produce a substance that a male body is not formed to produce not to your liking?

Or is it just the feelings that discussion around supply that you don't think should be discussed?

Or is it the discussion around LLL in general that you disagree with?

I don't approof trans women attempting to breast feed for the very real scientific concerns being discussed in this thread. As a scientist working in the medical field I find the implication of infection where there don't one silly.

Pervert apologist is a vile term to fire at someone you don't know.

It's been accepted for a long time that if you want to debate a point and being taken seriously you need to be factually correct. I agree with you that this practice should be banned but if we are going to have people agree with us we need to be seen to be having a factual debate and coming from a place of reason. When an argument is factually incorrect and is obviously coming from a place of hate people won't take us seriously, then we won't get anywhere.

I agree.

The post you quoted is probably the most offensive and damaging post on this thread despite the poster clearly falling over themselves to be ultra-PC, or whatever you want to call it. Vile. I’m sick of pervert apologists who will offend anybody in their way.

It also doesn’t change, as in there is no colostrum stage or transitional milk. It is only comparable to mature milk. So nobody can claim that it is “as good as” milk from a woman who has given birth in the newborn stage, regardless of anything else.

Did you mean to suggest a man forcing a baby to suck his nipples is similar to being a gay or lesbian person?

Because it's pretty homophobic if so.

Being same sex attracted is not a fucking fetish and sexual relationships between consenting same sex adults do not cause any harm to other human beings.

As mentioned previously many women with low supply are not combination feeding and are encouraged to continue exclusively breast feeding whilst their babies are not receivong enough under the guise that it will increase their supply. Well a lot of the time it doesn't and the babies starve.

Medical professionals will tell women they must give the baby formula because it is starving. Once the baby is admitted to hospital from following dangerous breast feeding advice they are fed formula by doctors. La Leche League and other breast feeding fanatics tell women not producing enough to just keep going don't give formula. Even when babies are losing weight they continue to push the do not give formula baby is just upping your supply agenda.

As I said, LLL have been dangerous to babies for a long time in my opinion.

I remember. And the BBC had to apologise and admit that that spokesperson had absolutely no expertise in breastfeeding or any medical qualification.

Readers, the BBC had a person qualified in gender identity related subjects on a programme to act as an expert on breast milk.

It was claimed to have been tested for the drugs by one of the talking heads on a BBC interview at the time but having looked for that program on the iplayer it seems to have disappeared so it could well have been a lie

Sorry Excited, I meant that the milk you were producing is naturally produced by your body. As in, it is not produced by male bodies unless that male person has some rare illnesses and even that milk is never tested for other components such as testosterone.

You taking this medication, likely at a much lower dose and for a short duration is not comparative to what is being used in these instances.

Your usage was safe and was carefully monitored. The same is not the same for these male people.

Have you ever seen the stuff that is expressed when someone has galactorrhea? If not, I can tell you that it some of it looks quite like breast milk, but some of it can be clear or grey/green in colour. It looks closer to something resulting from an infection or something being not right than normal breast milk.

There was an analysis done on the "milk" that ONE man claimed to have produced (sample was brought in a bottle, his wife was breastfeeding the child also and the sample size was several times as much as he'd ever produced in an entire day) and apparently that 1 sample had all the same nutritional values as the mothers milk and no traces of any of the drugs that the father was taking 🤔 so it's all good for all men to "feed" their child this way 😱. This is the study that the NHS spokesperson use to justify their statements in the article @Helleofabore linked to.

And some genderist woman went on the BBC to claim, unchallenged that the male milk was nutritionally superior to women's

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1804224074916258264

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13553033/BBC-News-report-misleading-trans-womens-milk.html

I don't believe it was tested for drug interaction. That was the issue.
Or Did I forget?

To those who think it should be compared to formula:

The issue is the drug interactions with what they are secreting. And again, it is not just one drug, it is usually multiple drugs AND testosterone that is unreliably suppressed (and suppressed by yet another drug!)

The nutrition has been analysed. And it has been said to be in line with breast milk. But the drug interactions have NOT been tested from the secretions from MALE people.

And the issue with quantity is that these male people mentioned are not combination feeding. They are encouraged to continue by medical clinicians who did not check the quantity and the babies were not receiving enough, WHILE UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION.

Which makes me wonder why there isn’t an equivalent ethics committee for introducing new ‘treatments’ like this.

To go back to OP’s question, LLL have clearly lost the plot on this, but I am far more concerned about the enabling behaviours and lack of consideration for the babies, displayed by heath organisations, including the NHS

There was an analysis done on the "milk" that ONE man claimed to have produced (sample was brought in a bottle, his wife was breastfeeding the child also and the sample size was several times as much as he'd ever produced in an entire day) and apparently that 1 sample had all the same nutritional values as the mothers milk and no traces of any of the drugs that the father was taking 🤔 so it's all good for all men to "feed" their child this way 😱. This is the study that the NHS spokesperson use to justify their statements in the article @Helleofabore linked to.

Thank you. You saved me looking it up.

And it is also the duration! They have to take it early to start the production and they keep taking it.

The quantities for female use have been tested. There is concerns about the interactions with other prescriptions that women need and some women cannot take that drug, I believe.

There has never been a study into men breastfeeding because it would never pass an ethics committee.

I agree

Yes, of course this is true. Go ahead and be offended if you like @HorsePeopleAreStablePeople but it feels like
you are motivated to pretend that using these powerful medicines taken well beyond safe doses is the same thing, when it is clearly not.

So there has been no study but they claim there is one?

When I tried to breastfeed I was unable to produce milk I wasn't offered drugs help or support I was given a bottle and told fed is best