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Bus driver refused to make passenger leave

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MobilityCat · 16/11/2024 23:54

Last night on the very crowded bus I was unable to get to the wheelchair space to park, as it was full of luggage and people. The only place available was in the doorway.

A person stood next to me in the doorway and refused to move to allow people off, saying it was I that was in the way.

I asked him to move out of the doorway so other passengers could get off, but he wouldn't so I told him that he was being inconsiderate and he started shouting and swearing at me. I told him to move away and leave me alone.

He persisted so I called twice to the driver to get him off the bus, but the driver took no action to make him leave, so I was left to manage his abuse.

He then stood in front of me and threatened me, so I raised my walking stick and pointed it at him as a warning. He backed away but carried on threatening me.

I told him that I didn't want to hurt him but if he didn't leave me alone and continued threatening me I would.

He moved further away from me, but continued to swear at me, but since he was no longer a threat I just ignored him.

I was bullied as a child, but learned to stand up against bullies as they are basically cowards, but Is it asking too much to expect the driver to protect their passengers?

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Runnersandtoms · 17/11/2024 09:53

Obviously the other passengers were being twats. But I agree with those who say bus drivers are not paid to put themselves in danger by trying to lay down their law with potentially aggressive customers.

Same as how I saw Greggs employees completely ignore a shoplifter walking out with a load of food. At the time I was surprised but afterwards realised they are not well paid and definitely not required to put themselves at risk by challenging someone who could have a knife for example.

TheSnappyTaupeFinch · 17/11/2024 09:51

Sounds like the bus was full when you got on.
Wheelchair or not if the bus is full you wait for the next one.
This could have been avoided.

MobilityCat · 17/11/2024 09:46

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 17/11/2024 04:43

This sounds too much of a one-sided story and I wonder what actually happened

How can I possibly know why he said and did what I have explained? Every day people are being mugged for men phones, even schoolchildren are targeted. Other people have posted similar experiences on this thread.

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LlynTegid · 17/11/2024 09:45

TheChippendenSpook · 17/11/2024 09:42

Although they're called British Transport Police, they police trains, not buses or the road network. Silly name really.

BTP would ensure if it is not them that they would tell you who it is.

A quick search showed four bus drivers a day are attacked in London, not sure what the UK picture is. Screens for the driver's protection predate Covid. No wonder not always willing to be involved.

Sorry this happened to you.

TheChippendenSpook · 17/11/2024 09:42

Noodlesnotstrudels · 17/11/2024 04:09

Sorry this happened to you, OP. Was this in London? If so, you should definitely complain to TfL. My understanding is that there are special laws in London (not sure about the rest of the country) that mean wheelchair users take precedence and bus drivers are supposed to enforce this. It's mentioned on TfL's website in relation to buggies needing to move out of the wheelchair space. I've certainly been on buses where the driver has refused to move the bus on until space is cleared for the wheelchair user.

You could also report to BTP as the bus likely has CCTV and they may be able to look into it for you.

Although they're called British Transport Police, they police trains, not buses or the road network. Silly name really.

MobilityCat · 17/11/2024 09:37

MoodyMargaret11 · 17/11/2024 02:00

WTH, no one said anything or tried to help? On a bus full of people??
Assholes, the lot of them,including the sodding driver - leaving a disabled woman to stand up against an intimidating able bodied male.
Shocked at posters defending this behaviour and saying drivers should not get involved.

People just don't want to get involved. He was a big man and I suppose that they felt rather me than them. I know better than to expect anyone to help me, it seems everyone lives in fear, one way or another.

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NiftyKoala · 17/11/2024 06:00

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 17/11/2024 04:43

This sounds too much of a one-sided story and I wonder what actually happened

I agree. Just from other threads there seems to be a lot of these situations happening to OP.

JubileeJuice · 17/11/2024 05:05

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 17/11/2024 04:43

This sounds too much of a one-sided story and I wonder what actually happened

Don't be ridiculous. Stuff like this happens to wheelchair user every time we leave the house.

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 17/11/2024 04:43

MobilityCat · 16/11/2024 23:54

Last night on the very crowded bus I was unable to get to the wheelchair space to park, as it was full of luggage and people. The only place available was in the doorway.

A person stood next to me in the doorway and refused to move to allow people off, saying it was I that was in the way.

I asked him to move out of the doorway so other passengers could get off, but he wouldn't so I told him that he was being inconsiderate and he started shouting and swearing at me. I told him to move away and leave me alone.

He persisted so I called twice to the driver to get him off the bus, but the driver took no action to make him leave, so I was left to manage his abuse.

He then stood in front of me and threatened me, so I raised my walking stick and pointed it at him as a warning. He backed away but carried on threatening me.

I told him that I didn't want to hurt him but if he didn't leave me alone and continued threatening me I would.

He moved further away from me, but continued to swear at me, but since he was no longer a threat I just ignored him.

I was bullied as a child, but learned to stand up against bullies as they are basically cowards, but Is it asking too much to expect the driver to protect their passengers?

This sounds too much of a one-sided story and I wonder what actually happened

Noodlesnotstrudels · 17/11/2024 04:09

Sorry this happened to you, OP. Was this in London? If so, you should definitely complain to TfL. My understanding is that there are special laws in London (not sure about the rest of the country) that mean wheelchair users take precedence and bus drivers are supposed to enforce this. It's mentioned on TfL's website in relation to buggies needing to move out of the wheelchair space. I've certainly been on buses where the driver has refused to move the bus on until space is cleared for the wheelchair user.

You could also report to BTP as the bus likely has CCTV and they may be able to look into it for you.

Edingril · 17/11/2024 03:08

It is not the bus drivers fault they have no authority to do anything

Lavenderfarmcottage · 17/11/2024 03:03

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 17/11/2024 00:08

Make a complaint to the bus company, the driver needs to be enforcing the accessible spaces. Also probably don't threaten to hurt people with your walking stick even if they are being complete bastards

Seriously ? A disabled person in a wheel chair cornered and abused ? The walking stick was an act of defence, bravery and completely warranted.

wombat1a · 17/11/2024 02:48

There is already a shortage of bus drivers, a lot of it due to the abuse they get. If they start getting involved in stuff like this then there will be even less of them soon. Sorry OP but your issue is not with the bus company but with society.

MoodyMargaret11 · 17/11/2024 02:00

WTH, no one said anything or tried to help? On a bus full of people??
Assholes, the lot of them,including the sodding driver - leaving a disabled woman to stand up against an intimidating able bodied male.
Shocked at posters defending this behaviour and saying drivers should not get involved.

coolkatt · 17/11/2024 01:48

Livelovebehappy · 17/11/2024 01:28

There’s a lot of crazy unhinged people out there. I don’t think bus drivers are paid enough to place themselves in the firing line and risk getting attacked. People who behave badly are very unlikely to take orders from the bus driver. The best thing the bus driver can do to avoid escalation is continue on his route to get all the passengers, including the badly behaved one, to their destinations as quickly as possible.

Actually the need to get the passengers, all of them other destination as SAFELY as possible. Time is not the priority.

coolkatt · 17/11/2024 01:46

Next time this happens to you (cos it will I'm sorry) phone the police. And I mean 999.

MobilityCat · 17/11/2024 01:39

AutumnLeaves24 · 17/11/2024 01:33

@MobilityCat

I'm sorry he acted like that & you had no support. You must feel incredibly vulnerable in a wheelchair.

yes the driver should have cleared the disabled space for you, definitely.

He should have chucked the tosser off the bus, but so many of the get hurt in the process, I can see why he held back- they don't get danger money.

For your own safety, I'd avoid threatening to hurt people, though in my case they're likely to wet themselves laughing.

In retrospect I agree with you, it was said in the moment, I haven't hit anyone since I was a child, but I don't want to be a victim of crime either.

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ChocolateSpider · 17/11/2024 01:36

where i am the drivers don’t get involved with wheelchair spaces they open doors put down the ramp and that’s it they expect passengers to sort it out between themselves they don’t ask anyone to clear the space

AutumnLeaves24 · 17/11/2024 01:33

MobilityCat · 17/11/2024 01:10

There are occasions when I am in the wheelchair space with up to two buggies and another buggy owner will be standing with her buggy in the aisle.

On another occasion I came up the ramp to find a buggy loaded with groceries in the wheelchair space and the mum and baby upstairs.

@MobilityCat

I'm sorry he acted like that & you had no support. You must feel incredibly vulnerable in a wheelchair.

yes the driver should have cleared the disabled space for you, definitely.

He should have chucked the tosser off the bus, but so many of the get hurt in the process, I can see why he held back- they don't get danger money.

For your own safety, I'd avoid threatening to hurt people, though in my case they're likely to wet themselves laughing.

Livelovebehappy · 17/11/2024 01:28

There’s a lot of crazy unhinged people out there. I don’t think bus drivers are paid enough to place themselves in the firing line and risk getting attacked. People who behave badly are very unlikely to take orders from the bus driver. The best thing the bus driver can do to avoid escalation is continue on his route to get all the passengers, including the badly behaved one, to their destinations as quickly as possible.

NuffSaidSam · 17/11/2024 01:22

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You could have (and should have) called the police. Bus drivers and tfl are not law enforcement, they don't deal with crime

Peejays · 17/11/2024 01:19

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RadioBamboo · 17/11/2024 01:14

As someone else has said, the driver's only real mechanism for enforcement is refusing to drive any further until whatever is supposed to happen does happen. That always works (eventually), it would have taken the onus off you to order the guy to do anything, the only person he can really get arsey with then is the driver for not moving, but he's behind a protective screen.

(If you're lucky some burly impatient men who need to be somewhere will throw the guy off anyway!)

But it sounds like your driver was useless.

MobilityCat · 17/11/2024 01:10

TwattyMcFuckFace · 17/11/2024 00:11

It should never have happened in the first place.

The driver should've made the passengers move out of the wheelchair space.

They don't allow wheelchairs or prams/buggies in the bus aisle.

There are occasions when I am in the wheelchair space with up to two buggies and another buggy owner will be standing with her buggy in the aisle.

On another occasion I came up the ramp to find a buggy loaded with groceries in the wheelchair space and the mum and baby upstairs.

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MobilityCat · 17/11/2024 01:03

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 17/11/2024 00:08

Make a complaint to the bus company, the driver needs to be enforcing the accessible spaces. Also probably don't threaten to hurt people with your walking stick even if they are being complete bastards

I was actually afraid that he was going to attack me and used my stick to keep him away, but yes, as you say I shouldn't have told him that I would hurt him if he persisted.

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