Have people forgotten about covid and what's really important?

I guess we'll never know what it was the world realised is important, since @Beautifulweeds never replied to the thread. 😢

To add to that, some of those 25% will have been on partial furlough only, ie still working some of their hours, and others will have had multiple jobs and just been furloughed from one of them. The number of people who received furlough for a period where they weren't in work at all will be even lower than 25%.

Only stupid people use that irritating phrase. It translates to “I’m not clever enough to argue my point or understand anyone else’s point of view so I’ll use a tired internet phrase and call the person with an opposing viewpoint stupid and make myself feel like I’m the winner.”

See my previous link, only 25% of people were furloughed. The majority were still working in some manner. I've even added it again.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/anoverviewofworkerswhowerefurloughedintheuk/october2021

I beg to differ.

You could spot the tans a mile off.

@VivianLea
I know what's important. Family, friends, community, caring for each other. Lockdown obliterated that, it didn't suddenly make me realise that it mattered.

Yes exactly!
I was living alone during the lockdowns, regrettably, heartbreakingly childless, and separated from the people I loved and friend's kids I was like an aunty to. Just as everyone else twigged loved ones are important we were all separated. Plus, those who most needed to realise that friends and community mattered were hunkered down with their little families so it never crossed their minds.

However, there were some nice things. Once people were meeting up outdoors it was lovely just going for picnics and things, nowhere to go and spend ££ so lots of time really connecting, talking, sharing over a cuppa in a garden. Then there was the quiet on the roads, far fewer planes going over, a simpler life (again, only appreciated this once we could see people again), the way nature returned to some places.

People do seem to have short memories though. We could have collectively taken some of the nicer aspects of that time, learnt to appreciate the simpler things, and each other. Instead people seem more selfish and segregated than before.

"when they were relying on us at thay time to help them live."
That's a sweeping statement.

And the vast majority of people weren't.

This. My daughter was the same age. She looks back at Covid lockdown as a happy time (I don’t, but that’s a different story) and honestly I don’t think it’s really affected her at all.

i thank my lucky stars that she was the age she was, to be honest. I can see that it would be far harder for older kids, sitting exams etc.

Sorry, but I don't agree about which jobs are important if we want to return to our pre 2016 lifestyles. Well actually, of course I agree that the jobs you mentioned are mainly very important, but there are also a lot more very necessary jobs etc, if we want to maintain at least our present lifestyles, or possibly improve on them.

For a start the transport infrastructure needs to be working well for both the NHS (or any type of medical or trauma health care) to take place, and of course most of the staff to enable it to do so. Yes, those of us with enough land could probably grow enough fruit and vegetables to keep us and our smallish families fed. However, that would take a long time to actually get established, and there are a vast number of people just here in the UK who couldn't grow their own vegetables for various reasons.

I have only mentioned the tip of a very deep iceberg. We would still need educaters, water and sewage pipes manufactured, lain, and set up for their usage. All the facets involved in being able to use electricity. Other forms of heating our homes, and actually having enough homes to house every one of us. The list of very important, necessary jobs and produce just keeps on expanding, it would have probably been quicker to mention what we don't need...

Same, but I wasn't pregnant during the pandemic and you do feel more vulnerable. One wonders if the lady was behaving that way towards people who she thought might respond aggressively. Some people were much easier targets than others.

If you work in a hospital in Ireland then fuck you right back.

At the height of it when the Irish Government were frightening the shit out of people with covid hospital statistics I had the misfortune to end up in St. Vincent's Covid ICU with my mother. The place was a ghost town. There was one other patient there aside from my mother. Empty rooms all around with staff chit chatting in the corridor all night and reading books.

And don't get me started about Loughlinstown. She nearly died there several times- from lack of care.

Shame on you.

I would have liked to have been sat at home on 80% of my salary for doing fuck all.

Why? It's true. It's not the fault of any worker that they were suddenly lauded with this nonsensical nomenclature plonked onto them but it was a sop and it was quickly adopted by commerce wanting to keep their workers working.

The blue-light workers (as they were coined) were working yet able to achieve discounts that other workers (also working) were not. That was an error and it was damaging. Elevating any group is a folly.

Nobody is more important than anyone else. Nobody. It's a shame that the government themselves don't realise that for their own cohort but we are where we are.

I think you might be missing the point that the PP was making (unless I am), they were suggesting (and I think you’ve reinforced it here) that your nihilistic view of the world is probably having more of an impact on your child than Covid did.

Covid was shit for me. I want to forget it all like a bad dream.

It was an awful time. I didn't get furloughed, the company I worked for just made us all redundant.

There were no jobs to even apply for. Everything was shut. I managed to get a job in a supermarket after a few months. I had to leave my primary aged child home alone as there was no school and as the newest person in the job I had the worst/no choice in shifts.

The general public were pretty awful. Rude. Greedy. I saw it all.

I finally got a new full time job in 2021. But it's taken me a long time to get over what happened. Both emotionally and financially. So many people have been deeply impacted by Covid. Not least the people who worked through it and had no choice but to put themselves at risk.

Why are you annoyed by that. There are some people who couldn't stay safe at home. So they felt unsafe.

It was crap for everyone - some more than others, but universally crap.

Well I'm.an environmentalist and a human so my drive to pass on my dna is strong. I like people. I just don't like us overall as a species. If you look at nice things in say Norway put you pan out to the bigger picture there's more overall war and violence than communities living in harmony with the environment. I'm darwinist. We can't keep on like this for then 2000 years. But I don't belive in God and I don't belive anyone comes back so I'm going to have my kids, pass on my dna and not kill anyone with intent until I return to my atoms. I don't pretend to perfect but I don't like mass war and for that we're a sad lot. No other species does war.

I have always said we should have protected our vulnerable, as in Sweden, but should not have locked down to the extent we did. I was slaughtered on here for saying it.

I could never stack what we were being told with the raw data. In overall terms miniscule numbers of healthy people died because of covid. Many people who would have died I any event, died with covid and were included in the figures.

Nursing home and hospital visiting should not have stopped.
Hospital appointments shoukd not have stopped
GPs should have stayed properly open
Schools and universities should not have stopped
The economy should not have stopped
Parks should not have been closed

One thing I found extraordinary was that at my local supermarket, if the number of people affected was as high as intimated in the press, then the same people at the till would have been unilaterally affected. They weren't.

Some good things:
Hybrid working and the implementation of teams/zoom (I will never know how I got my team working remotely literally overnight but I have never worked so hard in my life). DH continued to work and draw his salary but his principle role was put on hold.
For a brief period, the silence (no planes, no car noise) and the birdsong
I actually think that being able to sort out GP stuff on-line and on zoom is helpful but there needs to be more flexibility for the elderly and those who can't use tech.

Some bad things
Impact on child development
Impact on escalating domestic abuse
Impact on MH of the vulnerable
Difficulty getting some people back to work
Decimation of the high Street
We will pay for it for years
Having locked down for the NHS they didn't lock out for us nearly quickly enough

Lockdown for us was relatively OK despite both DC having to come back from Uni (DD's uni experience socially was very blighted, DS's not so much because he was PG). But it was only OK because we have a spacious house, everyone had their own desk/study space, the garden is large and we have leisure stuff available. If we had had under 8s in a two bed flat 20 floors up it would have been utterly horrendous.

It must never be allowed to happen again.

I loved lock down tbh but the whole covid thing did take the piss.
The clapping the masks rainbows everywhere captain tom etc.
However i think i broke every rule during lock down.