Have people forgotten about covid and what's really important?

It is the greatest tragedy to have seen the seeds of what humanity is capable of in the best way - including global connection - that turned into the most divisive and socially destructive thing.
The lockdown zealots need to be made to write that out for every day of lockdown that happened. Along with that mother of oxymorons - "social distancing". With the figure of 2m which the scientists admit they made up on the spot.

One daft thing I came across during the covid era was going to buy school shoes for my daughter. She had to try shoes on as she has a narrow fit.

Went to Asda. We weren't allowed to try them on in store (got told off) - but as I live 10 miles from town it would have meant buying a pair, taking them home and then returning them if they didn't fit. I couldn't afford multiple test pairs to buy so it would have meant several round trips - and a lot of petrol costs - or simply buying a pair, trying them on outside the store, coming back in, taking to customer service for a refund, and repeat until I found a pair that fit properly. We would have had to interact with many more people and had them in our possession far longer if we'd had covid than just trying them on in store!

@SpiffingOldBean
People sometimes was rhapsodically about WW2 and the Blitz spirit, but I think that's missing the point a bit. There was a stronger sense of community in the 1940s, a sense of the individual being part of things. Society is now much more fragmented, much more polarised, we are more suspicious of one another.

I think this is an interesting point. From my POV, there was an element of Blitz spirit about it, at the start. People offering to do neighbour's shopping if isolating, community groups springing up, chatting with strangers (2m apart!) in the supermarket queue, all the amusing memes and chat, keeping our spirits up, in various (international) Facebook groups I was in. At some point I started quietly breaking the rules and saw a couple of neighbours (indoors) who have remained solid friends - not loads of time together now, but that connection you get when you go through something together.

But the big difference was, just as everything else dropped away and we most wanted to cling to our fellow human beings, we had to do literally the exact opposite. The longing for connection in our fear was thwarted by brutal separation. And over time it got boring and frustrating rather than scary, and we turned on each other instead.

It is the greatest tragedy to have seen the seeds of what humanity is capable of in the best way - including global connection - that turned into the most divisive and socially destructive thing.

I didn’t realise childminders were a thing in Covid, to be honest. I suppose it stands to reason now that you mention it.

i kept mine at home - I probably could have argued key worker status but i was worried it wasn’t safe for them and wanted them at home with me. It was absolute hell trying to work with them at home but I think my two are closer for it. On balance, I’m glad we had that time (although it nearly destroyed me mentally).

What are you basing this on? Because you’re completely wrong.

I have two jobs & worked both throughout Covid. One I worked from home instead of office based & the other was caring for Keyworkers children in my own home. Childminders were the forgotten Keyworkers. Teachers were praised for online teaching & adapting lessons, whereas Childminders were never praised for having Children form different families coming to our homes to allow Teachers, Hospital staff, Police etc to do their jobs. We weren't as protected as other keyworkers. I received one plastic face visor & a handful of masks as my protection pack from the LA, that was it the whole way through Covid. It still bugs me now that Childminders never got any recognition for their efforts during lockdown when we were putting ourselves & our families at risk by inviting children from parents who were still working with the public into our homes. I didn't receive any government grants either as I was employed as well as self employed so didn't qualify for any financial help even though my salary halved because not all my families were keyworkers could attend.

I don’t think it was a con, but we didn’t act soon enough which meant we then overreacted when we did.

It wasn't a con. Lots of people are atill suffering from the after effects of having had it. Millions died, many more have long covid. I still have no taste or smell 4 years after having had it. It was real, and all too easy for those not affected to trivialise it.

Hmm I think you have rose tinted glasses - people who were 'key workers' weren't treated better or more valued - they had to work whilst others got a paid holiday. That holiday we will be paying for for generations BTW - even if you did work through it.
The vast majority of rules have been proven to be pointless now too. Ol
Oh and we used up a year's supply of an end of life drug in 3 months so we effectively culled our elderly as well.

I don't think covid had much to do with positive values in society. People didn't somehow become more respectful or nicer because of a virus. People sometimes was rhapsodically about WW2 and the Blitz spirit, but I think that's missing the point a bit. There was a stronger sense of community in the 1940s, a sense of the individual being part of things. Society is now much more fragmented, much more polarised, we are more suspicious of one another. Generally speaking, that is. I think it's also easier to forget that even within that culture there were pisstakers too, black market spice etc.

What a horrible and unnecessary post. And wrong. It is absolutely very possible to be a size 16 and healthy. A person’s clothes size isn’t a good indicator of someone’s overall health.

Then again, you think covid is ‘just a sniffle’ which gives me a good insight into your level of intelligence. It was not just the elderly who were affected; what about those with underlying health conditions, disabilities, babies, certain BME groups? Not to mention the amount of ‘healthy’ people who have been unwell for months since having Covid, long covid has now been recognised and is so prevalent that specialist services have been funded throughout the UK. But you can continue in your ignorance and being wilfully blind.

This thread has been taken over by Tory individualistic, selfish mentalities which is depressing and dull. I’m out.

What about all the younger people who dies and have been left with life changing effects

Why didn't Boris fear it? Several possible reasons:

• Like many prime ministers do, he especially, he thought he was God, and invincible.
• He wasn't actually in intensive care, that was all for show, to frighten the public; I think that is very possible. There are theories (far less possible, I expect, but they're a nice idea) that because he was reluctant to enforce the covid and lockdown narrative, his own government heavy mob took him aside during his "intensive care", and had a not-so-quiet word in his ear, saying "you will enforce lockdown, whether you want to, or not". Perhaps they added as an afterthought, seeing his sad face, "but you can have parties, no one will know, we will cover up for you".

It's not a theory, it's a fact. Vit D, or should I say lack of Vit D is why people catch colds and flus in winter time. It's because their natural levels of Vit D are low.

Generally speaking, mostly everyone in the country has sub-optimal Vit D levels.

@Thepurplepig
I agree with you, this from @CrowleyKitten
they've told me it's because I'm overweight, and if I lose weight, it will miraculously go away.
losing weight will help joint and back pain, size 18 isn't chubby it's quite overweight, sadly covid is used for an excuse for many health problems.

I believe Covid has made society worse not better. We appear to be generally a little more selfish and isolationist if anything.
Personally, I feel a massive debt to doctors & NHS, still grateful to frontline workers, but not in the same way.

I’m sorry at a size 16 you are fat, bordering obese and putting yourself at serious risk of long lasting health conditions.

We have a very distorted view of what is healthy weight these days.

It really was. Apart from the elderly most of us would have got by with a sniffle. It destroyed thousands of lives and businesses through ridiculous lockdowns. Thankfully the public will never fall for it again and those that never took the vaccines haven’t mysteriously developed the health conditions people that did have

There was a theory that vit D helped not catching covid. I only got covid this year. Luckily I had good GP just before pandemic who realised all my physical symptoms and mental including depression, suicidal thoughts and anxiety attacks may have been caused by something (and not the obesity at the time) so did full blood panel. Same like you. Super high dose and topping up regularly so it wouldn't dip. I also lost weight because I got energy and determination back.
I still wonder if my religious taking of it helped me and DH to steer clear of it.

I am very vocal that anyone presenting with mental health issues should also have automatically full blood panel done. I always know when to up the dose a bit. When I get anxiety in a lift or car feeling like in a Final Destination....

I was redeployed to a covid ward during the pandemic, I can assure you it wasn't.

I feel like Covid was one big con. Either that or an over reaction. We shut down and ruined people’s lives, ruined kids education and exacerbated mental health problems in the UK. We have been left with inflation, high interest rates and an overall lower quality of life.

I am not grateful to anyone who supported this course of action or who contributed to the message ‘stay home stay safe’.

Covid is a mass disabling virus which still with us and evolving. It is not something to speak of as if it’s all over.(A bird flu epidemic is quite possibly on its way, too. Once there is human to human transmission we’re in trouble). So keep up that distancing. It’s basic good manners anyway.

I FINALLY got diagnosed with a medical issue thanks to covid.

I'm about a size 16, to 18, so, chubby, but not so fat I should be in constant pain.
I've been raising with my doctors for YEARS that I have really bad joint and muscle pain and fatigue. and for years, they've told me it's because I'm overweight, and if I lose weight, it will miraculously go away.
well, during lockdown I had a PHONE consultation about it, after a particularly bad day when I thought I was going to throw up because my back seized up so badly.
without my chubby self sat there in the surgery in front of them, the doctor actually LISTENED to me, said I was too young for that to be normal wear and tear, and "it's a long shot, but come in for a blood test, those are all symptoms of vitamin D Deficiency"

it turns out, I had one of the lowest levels the nurse had ever seen, when I was called back in to discuss the results. low enough that they think my body just doesn't process it properly.

so I got put on a MASSIVE dose for a few months, and then a daily RDI dose as an ongoing thing.
I still get aches and pains, but only the occasional day where I feel like I'm going to throw up from the pain. it took NOT being seen for my pain to not be dismissed as Diagnosis: FATTY FATTY BOOM BOOM

I had flu a couple of years before covid happened. all I can say is that it's a BLOODY good thing I don't drive because I was randomly falling asleep. not as bad as narcolepsy, but not far off it. I fell asleep during mat work during several yoga classes, or dozed off as a passenger in the car a LOT. or watching TV, mid conversation, my husband would realise I'd fallen asleep again.
and that went on for about six months after I recovered from flu.
the comparison that "it's no worse than flu" really wasn;t reassuring, as Flu hit me like a freight train.

"Big Pharma" and "Sheeple" are instant, I don't have to listen to this person indicators