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To try and find some good teens books that don't push the LGBTQ agenda?

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Lifeofthepartay · 16/11/2024 13:27

Trying to get some books for my daughter who is in S1, books are either too young or they all have a blurb that alludes to the main character's sexual preferences. Would love it if anyone could recommend something your pre-teens, or young teens are reading that don't include those topics? They already get enough information about it in school and the internet.

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GiddyRobin · 16/11/2024 21:15

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 21:05

They may grow up to be gay, yes. But the child is still pretty young. I doubt not being allowed to read LGBT centred books will affect their future sexual orientation in any way, isn't it likely LGBT are born that way ? They will also likely find support from their peers who are LGBT. They may not, but we can't lay that on the OP. Their daughter won't always be a child, soon she will be older and have more and more freedom and autonomy.

If the child is in year 7, she has plenty of time to figure out what she is into and who she is. When she is ready she will.

It's a controversial but harmless decision on part of the OP.

How is it harmless? I assume her child has watched Disney films. So she sees heterosexual relationships. Why can't the same be shown for gay relationships? What's the difference?

If a child sees a cartoon woman and man kiss, why is that any worse than two women or two men? And so the same goes for books.

Unless you're going to tell me you're LGBT, then I'm confused as to why you think you've such a handle on the community over what we think. Do you do the same for the black community? The Jewish?

EmpressaurusKitty · 16/11/2024 21:14

I doubt not being allowed to read LGBT centred books will affect their future sexual orientation in any way, isn't it likely LGBT are born that way?

LGB, quite possibly.

If it was that simple with T, we wouldn’t have needed the Cass Report to investigate the usage of puberty blockers.

Annabella92 · 16/11/2024 21:13

I just want my kids to read something wholesome and real, I can't help but feel an aversion to the soulessness of modern pieces of social engineering. I'd be quite happy with an organic gay character in a novel but other than having same sex sex there's no way to know they're gay - and we don't need 11 year olds to be fed details of the sexual preferences of fictional characters

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 21:05

Bibibutterfly · 16/11/2024 20:49

’kids who are lgbt have their own parents to help them‘

you talk about them like they’re in a different country… they could be any child including op’s.

They may grow up to be gay, yes. But the child is still pretty young. I doubt not being allowed to read LGBT centred books will affect their future sexual orientation in any way, isn't it likely LGBT are born that way ? They will also likely find support from their peers who are LGBT. They may not, but we can't lay that on the OP. Their daughter won't always be a child, soon she will be older and have more and more freedom and autonomy.

If the child is in year 7, she has plenty of time to figure out what she is into and who she is. When she is ready she will.

It's a controversial but harmless decision on part of the OP.

GiddyRobin · 16/11/2024 21:02

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 20:59

Ah, I perhaps didn't explain it very well. I just think that's if a parent said to their child "I don't want you don't read books with a lot of foul language in them" then nobody would bat an eyelid . I don't see why this is different ? Personally I wouldn't have an issue with my children reading books about LGBT, but for me I would be uncomfortable with books which use racial slurs for example. That's my principle and I'm allowed it . Same here.

I think it means the child of the OP could miss out and that's maybe not so fair to them but I don't think the LGBT community is affected by something like this.

Also what about religious minorities? Those faiths that oppose LGBT are usually those of minority religious groups. Do they not have the right comparative their beliefs even if we don't agree with them?

What if a parent didn't want their child to read a book with black characters? Or Muslim characters? Jewish characters?

There are words for those things, aren't there? Also, how do you know the LBGT community isn't affected? I'm bisexual. I think deliberately cutting off access to reading material that makes these things acceptable can be very harmful to young minds.

Being gay isn't some deviant lifestyle choice. And I know lots of folk from varying religions who are very welcoming of the LGBT community. It's not them causing issues, not for the most part.

It's a certain kind of person.

Biffbaff · 16/11/2024 21:02

Mein Kampf is probably what you're looking for.

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 20:59

Bibibutterfly · 16/11/2024 20:47

I didn’t say it was homophobia? I was just asking about your post as it didn’t make sense to me

Ah, I perhaps didn't explain it very well. I just think that's if a parent said to their child "I don't want you don't read books with a lot of foul language in them" then nobody would bat an eyelid . I don't see why this is different ? Personally I wouldn't have an issue with my children reading books about LGBT, but for me I would be uncomfortable with books which use racial slurs for example. That's my principle and I'm allowed it . Same here.

I think it means the child of the OP could miss out and that's maybe not so fair to them but I don't think the LGBT community is affected by something like this.

Also what about religious minorities? Those faiths that oppose LGBT are usually those of minority religious groups. Do they not have the right comparative their beliefs even if we don't agree with them?

Africa2004 · 16/11/2024 20:54

JustTalkToThem · 16/11/2024 14:16

Are you ok with them pushing the Heterosexual agenda?

Love this

GiddyRobin · 16/11/2024 20:49

I wonder how many people saying this isn't homophobia are gay/bi.

Willing to be proven wrong, but I've a sneaking suspicion it's 0.

Funny, that.

Bibibutterfly · 16/11/2024 20:49

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 20:43

It's just one parent saying she wants book ideas that aren't centered on sexuality . She isn't saying she is against LGBT people , she just thinks her child is too young to be preached to about what she should read.

Yes as a society we have a responsibility to ensure everyone is treated fairly but not at the expense of our own core values and boundaries ! The OP is rightly focusing on her child. I'm sure the parents of LGBT kids can fight for their right to have books written about their sexuality. I feel sad that kids are starving in some parts of the world but I sure wouldn't give those kids my kids food and my kids go without . Parents focus on their own kids and the kids who are LGBT have their own parents to help them.

’kids who are lgbt have their own parents to help them‘

you talk about them like they’re in a different country… they could be any child including op’s.

Bibibutterfly · 16/11/2024 20:47

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 20:45

Still not homophobia as the only victim is this scenario is the child that misses out on reading those books. I don't think the term homophobia should be tossed around casually as a term, because it makes a mockery of the real prejudice suffered by LGB T historically and in other parts of the world. It's like seeing terms like narcissistic and abuse tossed around. Something that affects a minority of people very tragically has become a concept that's almost meaningless now.

I didn’t say it was homophobia? I was just asking about your post as it didn’t make sense to me

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 20:45

Bibibutterfly · 16/11/2024 20:36

But this isn’t about the child saying they don’t want to read about these issues… but what the parent thinks is appropriate?

Still not homophobia as the only victim is this scenario is the child that misses out on reading those books. I don't think the term homophobia should be tossed around casually as a term, because it makes a mockery of the real prejudice suffered by LGB T historically and in other parts of the world. It's like seeing terms like narcissistic and abuse tossed around. Something that affects a minority of people very tragically has become a concept that's almost meaningless now.

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 20:43

MartinCrieffsLemon · 16/11/2024 20:31

Filtering out LBGT+ literature may not be killing gay people but it's the first rung

Imagine if OP said "I want a book with white characters. Too many books are blatantly black characters and I don't want my child exposed to that".

It's just one parent saying she wants book ideas that aren't centered on sexuality . She isn't saying she is against LGBT people , she just thinks her child is too young to be preached to about what she should read.

Yes as a society we have a responsibility to ensure everyone is treated fairly but not at the expense of our own core values and boundaries ! The OP is rightly focusing on her child. I'm sure the parents of LGBT kids can fight for their right to have books written about their sexuality. I feel sad that kids are starving in some parts of the world but I sure wouldn't give those kids my kids food and my kids go without . Parents focus on their own kids and the kids who are LGBT have their own parents to help them.

Bibibutterfly · 16/11/2024 20:36

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 20:13

@Loopytiles the OP's child is under no moral obligation to read preachy books on topics she isn't interested in. All this having to be an ally stuff is a bit tedious. One should just try not to be a jerk to anyone but LGBT are well able to defend their cause fortunately they have legal protections now. A kid isn't under an obligation to be an ally. They are obliged to be kind, not a bully. That's fine.

If I saw someone actually oppressing a LGBT person I would call it out, for sure. But that's just being a decent person. When it comes to my spare time, what I choose to read, what causes I choose to support are entirely my decision. I don't have a moral obligation to read anything that I don't feel excited by , and so it goes for children too. Free time and reading for pleasure are just that. There is nothing sinister about a child wanting to read something that gives them joy. LGBT people aren't harmed by somebody not reading books centred on their experiences. This is Britain, a land which supports equality and inclusion . If we were in Brunei or somewhere I could maybe see your point.

But this isn’t about the child saying they don’t want to read about these issues… but what the parent thinks is appropriate?

MartinCrieffsLemon · 16/11/2024 20:31

Filtering out LBGT+ literature may not be killing gay people but it's the first rung

Imagine if OP said "I want a book with white characters. Too many books are blatantly black characters and I don't want my child exposed to that".

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 20:15

TofuTart · 16/11/2024 20:00

You clearly didn't read Judy Blume's Forever.
Or would that book be seen as OK?

Ralph!!! 😂😂😂😂😂 (Sorry! Inside me there is a 12 year old girl sniggering over the battered paperback that was being passed around our classmates. That kid has never gone away!)

tillydern · 16/11/2024 20:15

I’m sure she’ll be fine seeing as the vast majority of media pushes a ‘heterosexual agenda’ 😂 homophobes are wild

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 20:13

@Loopytiles the OP's child is under no moral obligation to read preachy books on topics she isn't interested in. All this having to be an ally stuff is a bit tedious. One should just try not to be a jerk to anyone but LGBT are well able to defend their cause fortunately they have legal protections now. A kid isn't under an obligation to be an ally. They are obliged to be kind, not a bully. That's fine.

If I saw someone actually oppressing a LGBT person I would call it out, for sure. But that's just being a decent person. When it comes to my spare time, what I choose to read, what causes I choose to support are entirely my decision. I don't have a moral obligation to read anything that I don't feel excited by , and so it goes for children too. Free time and reading for pleasure are just that. There is nothing sinister about a child wanting to read something that gives them joy. LGBT people aren't harmed by somebody not reading books centred on their experiences. This is Britain, a land which supports equality and inclusion . If we were in Brunei or somewhere I could maybe see your point.

Octopies · 16/11/2024 20:05

Gillian Cross is worth a look. Some of her books can be a bit dark, but I don't remember any of the content being particularly about sexuality etc.

MartinCrieffsLemon · 16/11/2024 20:03

Hankunamatata · 16/11/2024 14:10

Don't know what age S1 is. My 11 year old is really enjoying percy jackson books and there are tons of them ( I'm really enjoying them too)

Ah but they have gay characters so aren't allowed 😒

TofuTart · 16/11/2024 20:00

Lifeofthepartay · 16/11/2024 16:44

I didn't say that. Just that the whole story does not revolve around their sexuality, why would that should be even mentioned so much. I hardly think it needs to be relevant t the story. Never seen a book that says the journey of these heterosexual kids doing these or that, I just don't understand why all has to revolve about their sexual preferences

You clearly didn't read Judy Blume's Forever.
Or would that book be seen as OK?

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 19:56

Loopytiles · 16/11/2024 19:51

OP’s type of homophobia is shitty too.

Not if it is because the child doesn't want to read books about LGBT. You could say the parent is being narrow minded but parents often don't allow their kids to drink, get tattoos etc , you could call that narrow minded and shitty too. But harmless.

Loopytiles · 16/11/2024 19:51

OP’s type of homophobia is shitty too.

JustMadAboutSaffron · 16/11/2024 19:19

I think actual homophobia is wrong. Denying someone who is LGB housing, healthcare, jobs, education opportunities etc is wrong. Some one saying they don't want their kids reading LGB T books is not really in the same league it's just an opinion that doesn't actively harm anyone.

I can't see this as a hill to die on to be honest. It's not comparable to someone being beaten up or killed because of their sexuality. Kids will find out about the world soon enough, whether they grow up to be gay or not.

Personally I think it's good for children to be exposed to different worldviews and situations that aren't familiar to them, but then again, I'm a strong believer in letting kids read what they want to read.

Children aren't bigoted by nature anyway. That kind of thing has to be learned.

Lifeofthepartay · 16/11/2024 18:48

UsernameMcUsername · 16/11/2024 17:35

To be fair to the OP, having poked through the YA bit in various bookshops and libraries recently I completely know what she means. I have a 13yo avid reader who doesn't care about people being gay (or straight - he just has no interest in those plotlines 😂), but he will eyeroll at the every-second-character-is-trans stuff. Interestingly he and his male peers seem pretty eye rolly about it all generally. So I'm watching this thread with interest. Basically anything more than ten years old is a pretty safe bet. He's spent the last year ploughing through the whole Percy Jackson universe for example.

I also think there's an interesting trend re children / teen literature generally - it seems to have become really preachy in an almost Victorian way.

Yes, my daughter seems very similar to your boy. Also the YA section in our local library is non existent. The librarian said kids that age weren't using the books so they just donated all the stuff to secondary schools.

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