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To expect guests to wash their hands on arrival?

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SillyFillyDress · 16/11/2024 12:37

Am I being unreasonable in thinking people should wash their hands when coming from outside to your house?
Would you ask kids who come to yours for a playdate to wash their hands?
Would you ask adults?

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Perfectlystill · 16/11/2024 16:36

Weird to expect guests to do this.

BigManLittleDignity · 16/11/2024 16:35

Stravaig · 16/11/2024 16:27

That is shocking. Having a newborn is a specific reason - you are not being sensitive there. It's common sense. I'd have no problem with someone asking me to do this, for any reason.

I'd welcome it as a general custom, to enter a home, pause, remove footwear, outer wrappings, wash hands, and face. I may have lived somewhere like this, as it seems normal and appealing to me.

But as other pp have noted, the UK is a rather grubby, ungraceful country in many ways, not given to elegant practical solutions that improve everyone's lives.

Despite being “grubby” we don’t have a significantly higher transmission of bacteria. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Ontopofthesunset · 16/11/2024 16:34

I do usually wash my hands on arriving at someone's house, but it won't necessarily be the first thing I do and it's often coupled with a trip to the loo, if I've travelled some distance. I mean, if it's my next door neighbour and I'm just popping in for a coffee I wouldn't think about washing my hands. But I live in London so I use public transport to get to most places any distance away, and therefore usually feel a bit tube-soiled on arrival. I similarly make sure to wash my hands at a restaurant before eating (unless I've walked there from home in which case I wouldn't need to).

user1471516498 · 16/11/2024 16:32

If you are wanting people to wash or at least sanitise their hands without having to ask them, one trick might be to sanitise your own hands and then just pass the bottle or pack of wipes round almost like it would be unthinkable not to.

AntiHop · 16/11/2024 16:30

Miyagi99 · 16/11/2024 16:24

I always have hand sanitizer in my bag for after public transport, I should imagine that’s what the health visitor has too (otherwise she’s touching people’s taps/towels and not knowing if they’re sanitised) between visits.

Hand sanitiser does not work on stomach bug germs.

WaltzingWaters · 16/11/2024 16:29

SillyFillyDress · 16/11/2024 16:00

I have a newborn. And no one does it. Even health visitors and midwives. That's one of the reasons I raised this question.

With a newborn then yes, absolutely.

ComfortandHappiness · 16/11/2024 16:29

MagentaRavioli · 16/11/2024 16:21

children are more likely to develop asthma/eczema/hayfever and allergies when they are over-protected from pathogens and allergens at crucial points of their development. OP you need to remember that we are living biological creatures and more of the cells in our bodies are bacteria than human. We evolved over millions of years to co-exist with the minor and major threats to our health that come from not living in a sterile environment. If you have someone living with you who is immunocompromised then of course get people to sanitise and wash themselves but otherwise you may be putting your children at risk by not exposing them to the normal environment.

And in just the last 100 or so years, human life has totally changed due to industrialisation and the ease of public transport. Our immune systems haven’t evolved for this.

Stravaig · 16/11/2024 16:27

SillyFillyDress · 16/11/2024 16:04

I have a newborn so I'm a bit more sensitive now. Also we have plenty of visitors. And almost no one is washing their hands. Even before the meal. The most shocking part was health visitors not washing their hands before touching the baby.

That is shocking. Having a newborn is a specific reason - you are not being sensitive there. It's common sense. I'd have no problem with someone asking me to do this, for any reason.

I'd welcome it as a general custom, to enter a home, pause, remove footwear, outer wrappings, wash hands, and face. I may have lived somewhere like this, as it seems normal and appealing to me.

But as other pp have noted, the UK is a rather grubby, ungraceful country in many ways, not given to elegant practical solutions that improve everyone's lives.

Wishfives · 16/11/2024 16:25

@roobyred you want to see most kitchen staff/ chefs who smoke/scratch their bums etc I'd be less worried about wiping tables
Same as ice machines and coffee machines both usually grim
I also think it's grim to see nurses /HCP wandering around in their scrubs

Miyagi99 · 16/11/2024 16:24

SillyFillyDress · 16/11/2024 16:00

I have a newborn. And no one does it. Even health visitors and midwives. That's one of the reasons I raised this question.

I always have hand sanitizer in my bag for after public transport, I should imagine that’s what the health visitor has too (otherwise she’s touching people’s taps/towels and not knowing if they’re sanitised) between visits.

DappledThings · 16/11/2024 16:24

I'm stunned at the responses to this. A few years ago we were obsessed with hand washing and sanitisers.
Not all of us were. I never bought any sanitiser. Would use it if specifically requested but didn't get into the obsession or the washing groceries or any of that crap. Occasionally remembered to do extra handwashing when coming home but didn't often remember and it certainly never became a habit.

ttcat37 · 16/11/2024 16:24

The pertinent part that you drip fed was that you have a newborn. It’s normal and advised to wash hands before touching a newborn. But in normal, day to day life, expecting people to wash their hands when they enter your house is not normal and probably some sort of germ anxiety on your part.

Edenmum2 · 16/11/2024 16:22

Yes I would think it was very, very odd and unwelcoming

mumedu · 16/11/2024 16:21

SillyFillyDress · 16/11/2024 15:47

I think I opened a can of worms here.
So basically we wash our hands when coming home. For me this is a simple reasonable action. Why wouldn't you wash your hands after school/shop/public transport. I won't ask our guests to do it but I'm hiring a nanny at the moment and I would love her to follow the same routine. I had a couple of trial sessions and noticed no one does it so I raised the question.

It's basic hygiene OP. I insist that my children wash their hands as soon as they get home. I would be hesitant to ask guests to do so, but I think it's gross not to. I think it's okay to ask this of your nanny, but I am not sure if he/she would do it when you're not looking. To me, it's just common sense. I've had so many bouts of flu/ covid/ illness.... Why would people not want to tale a basic preventative measure after they've gotten off public transport etc?

MagentaRavioli · 16/11/2024 16:21

children are more likely to develop asthma/eczema/hayfever and allergies when they are over-protected from pathogens and allergens at crucial points of their development. OP you need to remember that we are living biological creatures and more of the cells in our bodies are bacteria than human. We evolved over millions of years to co-exist with the minor and major threats to our health that come from not living in a sterile environment. If you have someone living with you who is immunocompromised then of course get people to sanitise and wash themselves but otherwise you may be putting your children at risk by not exposing them to the normal environment.

roobyred · 16/11/2024 16:21

I'm stunned at the responses to this. A few years ago we were obsessed with hand washing and sanitisers. Having just had norovirus, I don't think it's weird at all, particularly as we come into flu season.

It really pisses me off when I'm out in cafes and restaurants to see how the hygiene standards have completely slipped. Tables not cleared promptly, hardly ever wiped down. But reading these responses nobody seems bothered.

Daisylookslost · 16/11/2024 16:17

When I read your initial post I thought you must have a young baby. Otherwise would be a little OTT.
And you have a newborn. You are not being unreasonable at all! The best way to get people to accept the rule without resentment is to frame it in terms of: it’s because you have a young baby that will not have had all of their vaccinations yet. Your house, your kids, your rules. I’ve worked as a nanny in the past and the laxness of some parents in terms of hand washing before snacks etc! I always got the kids, and my own now, to wash hands before snacking (which often coincides with coming in from school so you can kill 2 birds with 1 stone there..) and certainly before touching a young baby in my charge. Check nanny is happy to follow your rules before hiring. It’s not like you are asking for an elaborate hygiene routine it’s logical hygiene practice.
Once baby older tho you will be ok to not have adults (even kids 😮) wash their hands on entering, as anyone you trust enough to come into your home you can likely rely on to manage their own hand hygiene at a basic level and take advantage of the facilities as needed! Parents accompanying young kids can do the same for them.

katepilar · 16/11/2024 16:15

Interesting, I thought that washing hands when coming home, especially after shopping or travelling on public transport was the norm. It certainly is in other countries than UK.
Thinking its very unreasonable is yet another level to me.

pumpkinpillow · 16/11/2024 16:13

I do wash my hands when I come back from being in London for the day but that's because I live in the country side and London (especially the transport) seems really grubby (black bogies!).

ichundich · 16/11/2024 16:12

SillyFillyDress · 16/11/2024 16:04

I have a newborn so I'm a bit more sensitive now. Also we have plenty of visitors. And almost no one is washing their hands. Even before the meal. The most shocking part was health visitors not washing their hands before touching the baby.

I think you're a bit PFB here. My son is older now and washes bis hands nowhere near enough, but he's actually the one in our family who never gets ill.

pumpkinpillow · 16/11/2024 16:11

I wash my hands when I feel they need washing and I assume adult visitors to my home do the same.
Kids are a bit different, but it depends what they've been doing (mucking about in mud, snotty noses etc).

My sister's family wash their hands a lot. I took my nephew out for the day. I presume he washed his hands when he went to the loo, otherwise we just got on with our day. As soon as I dropped him home my sister marched him off to wash his hands.

pumpkinpillow · 16/11/2024 16:08

SillyFillyDress · 16/11/2024 16:00

I have a newborn. And no one does it. Even health visitors and midwives. That's one of the reasons I raised this question.

I'm pretty sure health professionals are meant to wash their hands before handling your newborn. You are not being unreasonable there.

endofthelinefinally · 16/11/2024 16:07

I was a community nurse/midwife. Always very careful about washing my hands on arrival and when leaving someone's house. Also organised my visits to put anyone with an infection at the end of the list.

Wishfives · 16/11/2024 16:05

Maybe in real life you could just use your words ...." Wash your hands please"
Or have it written into your contract with the nanny

SillyFillyDress · 16/11/2024 16:04

Stravaig · 16/11/2024 13:42

As part of a general gathering together before a meal, yes.

Children coming from playing outside, or indoors doing whatever messy thing. Adults coming in from farm or garden or workshop or home from a manual job or via public transport. Or even from a pristine office in a private luxury car.

For a quick visit not involving food, no, not unless there was a specific reason.

I think it has value as a wee ritual, cleansing away one part of the day and moving to another. I also think it's unwise to abandon basic hygiene practices that were once essential to maintain the health of a population just because life is currently more privileged. That can change, fast.

So I'd definitely teach children to wash their hands before food, and have casually told lots of other people's kids to do so as part of a general instruction!

I have a newborn so I'm a bit more sensitive now. Also we have plenty of visitors. And almost no one is washing their hands. Even before the meal. The most shocking part was health visitors not washing their hands before touching the baby.

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