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To think DH is insane to suggest this

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onion88 · 16/11/2024 08:31

My husband blind sided me with this yesterday. Aibu to think he's insane?

My husband and his ex-gf share two children. They have been separated for 10 years (kids are early teens).

We have been together for 6 years and share a child who is 3.

Husbands ex has been in a relationship for the last 6/7 years. Unfortunately this has just ended.

I need to add that they have not always gotten along, DH and ex. There were some really awful times, abusive messages, difficulties agreeing to contact schedules, being awful about me etc... I rarely say more than the odd hello to her.

Right now, they co parent pretty well and it's relatively calm because DSC can mainly contact us/ their mum by themselves now so not much need for contact but it's by no means been an easy or stress free road. I am glad that we mainly need to have nothing to do with her anymore.

Anyway, due to her relationship ending, ex has said to DH that she'll be keeping the children all of Christmas day as she'll be by herself otherwise. Usually they split the day so one has morning, one has them for dinner and changes each year. It was DHs turn for Christmas dinner this year so he's understandably gutted. She has a habit of thinking decisions are hers to solely make and just informing him of what's happening. He doesn't fight her enough imo on this. They share custody completely equally.

DH has now been saying how Christmas will be rubbish now, won't even feel like Christmas, cant even be bothered with it now blah blah blah. Which I've told him is ridiculous seen as we also have a child so he needs to get a grip for their sake at least!

But anyway, he's just blind sided me yesterday saying that he's going to suggest to his ex that either she comes here for Christmas dinner with DSC (my family usually comes so that will be nice and awkward) or alternatively he wants to take our child to her house to see DSC in the afternoon on Christmas day, leaving me at home without our child on Christmas day.

I don't want either of those and think he's utterly insane for suggesting them. If he wants to see DSC on Christmas he needs to tell ex that her being alone on Xmas day isn't his problem and he wants DSC as previously arranged not expect all of us to adjust our day and me to be without our child to appease her. Imo if he doesn't want to argue with her on it, he should just accept seeing DSC on boxing day instead this year.

Aibu to argue this and say no? If he really wants to drop in to see DSC and can't just wait until boxing day then he can but I don't want our child going or her coming here.

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thepariscrimefiles · 17/11/2024 09:44

tilypu · 17/11/2024 08:32

"How is that fair?"

It's not fair. It's especially not fair on op's husband. Which is why he's trying to find a way to make it work.

Op got involved with a man with children, which inevitably comes with compromises that need to be made.

Op doesn't want to be without her child for a couple of hours, but seems happy for both her husband and his ex to be without theirs for the whole day. Is that really any fairer?

Of course it's not an ideal situation, but op should have known when she got into this relationship that would be the case.

It's not unreasonable to try to find a solution that, while is not ideal, is acceptable. And honestly, I think that her husband solution, with the tweak of time so that her family is there, should be an acceptable solution.

I also had to make compromises at Christmas, so I'm not taking about something I know nothing about.

OP is happy for him to go to his ex's house for a few hours on Christmas Day to see his older children. She is not happy about him wanting to take their shared child with him. So there is a solution where the ex wife has her kids all day and DH sees his daughter and his older children on Christmas Day, but just not both together.

OP is not separated or divorced so there should be no expectation on her part that she spends part of Christmas Day without her very young daughter.

RosieLeaf · 17/11/2024 09:40

Sometimeswinning · 17/11/2024 09:28

The dramatic language on this thread about a grown adult being in her own home for a few hours! She’s already said her family are coming round for dinner. She’s hardly going to be sat crying in a corner out of pure misery. (Although judging by the comments maybe she will be!)

Same goes for the ex

thepariscrimefiles · 17/11/2024 09:39

tillytown · 17/11/2024 07:00

In the opening post OP states her family are coming over for Christmas, so why are people complaining that she'll be alone if her husband and daughter go to see the step kids for a couple of hours when her other family would still be with her?

She has said that her family are coming later in the day so she would be alone for a few hours if he took their shared DC with him.

Sugarcoldturkey · 17/11/2024 09:39

Sometimeswinning · 17/11/2024 09:28

The dramatic language on this thread about a grown adult being in her own home for a few hours! She’s already said her family are coming round for dinner. She’s hardly going to be sat crying in a corner out of pure misery. (Although judging by the comments maybe she will be!)

I would flip that and say the ex-wife is hardly going to be sat crying in a corner out of pure misery if she sticks to the normal plan of the teenagers splitting Xmas between the two houses.

All this fuss is because the ex- wife is making unilateral decisions and insisting that she not be left alone at all over Xmas. I don't understand why the ex-wife should get everything she wants without compromising at all.

Sugarcoldturkey · 17/11/2024 09:34

tilypu · 17/11/2024 09:05

I totally agree it's not fair that the ex-wife has reneged on the previous deal. I've never said otherwise.

But unless that changes, a solution needs to be found. Continuing to harp on about the lack of fairness doesn't help that!

Anyway, I'm off to work. Have fun focusing on the bit that the op can't do anything about, and steering away from finding an acceptable (not perfect) solution!

You asked "Is that really any fairer?" to the idea that DH sees the teenagers another day or visits without the 3 year old. I'd say yes, it is fairer, massively so.

So I guess that's where we disagree. Sure, you're right that a solution has to be found that prioritises all the kids involved, but I would say the OP is being perfectly reasonable to feel upset. The ex-wife sounds very self-centred and people like that are very hard to reason with.

So I guess let's agree to disagree. In any case, have a good day at work.

thepariscrimefiles · 17/11/2024 09:30

YouveGotAFastCar · 16/11/2024 13:18

This year, I'd not invite family and let her come round.

Before next Christmas, I'd expect DH to be setting up some arrangements that are fair and agreed, not at her whim.

So not only does OP have to have an awkward Christmas Day with her DH's ex, but she can't even see her own family on Christmas Day? That's a 'lose/lose' scenario for the OP. Why on earth would she agree to that?

Sometimeswinning · 17/11/2024 09:28

thepariscrimefiles · 17/11/2024 09:24

If you could be bothered to read the OP's posts, that is exactly what she has suggested. She is happy with him going over to his ex's on Christmas day for a few hours to be with his older children. What she isn't happy with is him taking their shared child with him, leaving her alone.

The dramatic language on this thread about a grown adult being in her own home for a few hours! She’s already said her family are coming round for dinner. She’s hardly going to be sat crying in a corner out of pure misery. (Although judging by the comments maybe she will be!)

sleepydreamsaremadeofthis · 17/11/2024 09:28

onion88 · 16/11/2024 08:40

If I'm okay by myself then surely so is his ex?

You said your family will be there? Let him take his child to see their sibling, and for him to see his kid. We would often go visit other relatives briefly on Xmas Day while my mum stayed home during that time for other reasons. If you are alone, you might not the quiet briefly anyway.

thepariscrimefiles · 17/11/2024 09:24

Crispyturtle · 16/11/2024 12:15

So you don’t want to be without your child on Christmas Day but you think DH is ridiculous that he won’t see two of his children at all that day? I think you have been pretty unfair to him in this respect.

That said, YANBU to not want to host his ex on Christmas Day, and as it is also your house you can put your foot down and say no. Couldn’t he go to Ex’s house for a couple of hours at some point during the day but not take your younger child?

If you could be bothered to read the OP's posts, that is exactly what she has suggested. She is happy with him going over to his ex's on Christmas day for a few hours to be with his older children. What she isn't happy with is him taking their shared child with him, leaving her alone.

thepariscrimefiles · 17/11/2024 09:20

SoupDragon · 16/11/2024 12:03

Inviting her over is plainly bonkers and you should not entertain this plan at all.

That said, as a one off I'd let her have the DC this year and celebrate with them on Boxing Day instead. It's a pretty harsh person who'd want to leave someone alone on Christmas Day.

OP would be fine with your suggestion. She is fine with her DH going over to his ex's house on Christmas Day to see his two older kids. She isn't happy about him taking her daughter with him.

RosieLeaf · 17/11/2024 09:12

tilypu · 17/11/2024 09:12

Ok, so the reasonable solution is that the siblings don't get to spend time all together at Christmas.

Got it.

Why is half-siblings seeing each other on Christmas Day now the most important thing?

My DC are the same as OP, they wouldn’t have wanted to go either

tilypu · 17/11/2024 09:12

Anyway, I'm off to work. Reply to me if you want, but I won't see it so you will be talking into the void.

tilypu · 17/11/2024 09:12

BlueSilverCats · 17/11/2024 09:08

@tilypu she has a reasonable solution. He goes to see his kid at the ex's house on his own. That way everyone gets some of what they want. Why is that not good enough?

Ok, so the reasonable solution is that the siblings don't get to spend time all together at Christmas.

Got it.

tilypu · 17/11/2024 09:11

BlueSilverCats · 17/11/2024 09:07

Op doesn't want to be without her child for a couple of hours, but seems happy for both her husband and his ex to be without theirs for the whole day. Is that really any fairer?

Where does it say that? Please quote one post where OP says that.

If they stick to the original agreement, they each get half a Christmas day with the children.

If her husband goes to the ex(which she's happy with btw , and she said so numerous times) , the ex gets the kids all day, and he gets to see them for however long he's there , and the younger child at either end of the visit.

Why are you making stuff up?

Yeah, she also said "Imo if he doesn't want to argue with her on it, he should just accept seeing DSC on boxing day instead this year"

Not making stuff up!

BlueSilverCats · 17/11/2024 09:08

@tilypu she has a reasonable solution. He goes to see his kid at the ex's house on his own. That way everyone gets some of what they want. Why is that not good enough?

BlueSilverCats · 17/11/2024 09:07

tilypu · 17/11/2024 08:32

"How is that fair?"

It's not fair. It's especially not fair on op's husband. Which is why he's trying to find a way to make it work.

Op got involved with a man with children, which inevitably comes with compromises that need to be made.

Op doesn't want to be without her child for a couple of hours, but seems happy for both her husband and his ex to be without theirs for the whole day. Is that really any fairer?

Of course it's not an ideal situation, but op should have known when she got into this relationship that would be the case.

It's not unreasonable to try to find a solution that, while is not ideal, is acceptable. And honestly, I think that her husband solution, with the tweak of time so that her family is there, should be an acceptable solution.

I also had to make compromises at Christmas, so I'm not taking about something I know nothing about.

Op doesn't want to be without her child for a couple of hours, but seems happy for both her husband and his ex to be without theirs for the whole day. Is that really any fairer?

Where does it say that? Please quote one post where OP says that.

If they stick to the original agreement, they each get half a Christmas day with the children.

If her husband goes to the ex(which she's happy with btw , and she said so numerous times) , the ex gets the kids all day, and he gets to see them for however long he's there , and the younger child at either end of the visit.

Why are you making stuff up?

tilypu · 17/11/2024 09:05

I totally agree it's not fair that the ex-wife has reneged on the previous deal. I've never said otherwise.

But unless that changes, a solution needs to be found. Continuing to harp on about the lack of fairness doesn't help that!

Anyway, I'm off to work. Have fun focusing on the bit that the op can't do anything about, and steering away from finding an acceptable (not perfect) solution!

Newmumatlast · 17/11/2024 09:02

Harassedevictee · 17/11/2024 08:46

@onion88 YANBU at all and have suggested several options which are a reasonable compromise.

There is one option I haven’t seen suggested. Pp have said you could invite the Ex-wife and I agree with you that is not what I would want on Christmas Day.

However, what I have not seen suggested is that you go with your DH and DD to the Ex-wife’s for a couple of hours. This way DH gets to see all his DC and you don’t have to miss time with your DD.

Hear me out, if, as some posters suggest, DH and DD went together you have no control over how long they are away. If you go with them you get to contribute to the timings of the whole day and decide the most suitable time to pop over and more importantly when to leave. This gives you control. I can guarantee the Ex-wife won’t want you there but can hardly refuse and DH can’t say you are being unreasonable.

It is only one day, so only visiting for 1-2 hours to see SDC open presents is not unreasonable. Depending on timings you could do this after your DD has opened presents etc. and before lunch. This means you need to be back by x to get lunch ready - DH to do prep the day before to facilitate this.

Yeah to be fair I'd do this because I'd want to see my SC and would want DH to see all of his children on Xmas day. So whilst it might not be my favourite choice, I'd do it. And you have to think about the bigger picture. Yes she should stick to the usual arrangement but she isn't. So who loses out if he doesn't then see them at all? The kids and him (secondary to the kids as it's actually about them - they might not mind about not seeing him until boxing day, and then that's an alternative)

tilypu · 17/11/2024 09:01

RosieLeaf · 17/11/2024 08:54

Ahh ok, and the DSC mum just gets what she wants again. Brilliant.

Be Kind, OP, worry about everyone else except yourself. Your toddler should enjoy going to your husbands ex’s, and even if they don’t, it’s good for them to learn to be a family, round at your husband’s ex’s house, while you sit home alone.

Edited

It's a couple of hours!

I hope for op's husband sake that they never split up. Poor guy would be stuck between two women, neither of which give a shit about their kids seeing other family members for special events!

Sugarcoldturkey · 17/11/2024 09:00

tilypu · 17/11/2024 08:51

No, but she did get involved with a man that has children, and she chose to have a child with him.

If she didn't foresee that there might be some tricky times to negotiate around events like Christmas, then she was very naive about the situation.

It is completely normal for divorced parents not to spend every Xmas with their kids. This is, in your words, something they "signed up for" when getting divorced.

The ex-wife agreed to split Xmas day so that the teenagers could see both their parents and both parents would have to spend some time without them.

The ex-wife has reneged on this deal. That is not fair.

The op isn't divorced. She has never agreed to not spend Xmas with her child. Yes, she married a man with kids from a previous marriage and so understands that her DH might need to visit ex-wife's house for Xmas. But that shouldn't involve her own 3-year old.

I don't understand why you think it's ok for the ex-wife (who shares custody 50-50) to unilaterally change the Xmas tradition of the kids splitting their time between houses. I can only imagine you identify strongly with her in which case, respectfully, it might be good to rethink and try to co-parent more cooperatively.

Hoplolly · 17/11/2024 08:59

Op doesn't want to be without her child for a couple of hours, but seems happy for both her husband and his ex to be without theirs for the whole day. Is that really any fairer?

At @tilypu Neither of them have to be without theirs for the whole day if the ex stuck to the original agreement, which is the issue here.

Hoplolly · 17/11/2024 08:57

tilypu · 17/11/2024 08:51

No, but she did get involved with a man that has children, and she chose to have a child with him.

If she didn't foresee that there might be some tricky times to negotiate around events like Christmas, then she was very naive about the situation.

Right back at you but for the "bio" mum. It's part and parcel of being divorced. She should have also foreseen that there may be tricky times.

Newmumatlast · 17/11/2024 08:56

tilypu · 17/11/2024 08:51

No, but she did get involved with a man that has children, and she chose to have a child with him.

If she didn't foresee that there might be some tricky times to negotiate around events like Christmas, then she was very naive about the situation.

True but all that she could've envisaged is him not being there sometimes. Why should she be without her child? Why would she envisage her child would be off with another woman while she sits alone, when she isn't separated?

Calamitousness · 17/11/2024 08:55

What do his children want to do? They’re old enough to decide. It’s not up to anyone else to decide their Xmas day. Ask them. Do that. Respect their wishes.

RosieLeaf · 17/11/2024 08:54

tilypu · 17/11/2024 08:51

No, but she did get involved with a man that has children, and she chose to have a child with him.

If she didn't foresee that there might be some tricky times to negotiate around events like Christmas, then she was very naive about the situation.

Ahh ok, and the DSC mum just gets what she wants again. Brilliant.

Be Kind, OP, worry about everyone else except yourself. Your toddler should enjoy going to your husbands ex’s, and even if they don’t, it’s good for them to learn to be a family, round at your husband’s ex’s house, while you sit home alone.