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To think DH is insane to suggest this

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onion88 · 16/11/2024 08:31

My husband blind sided me with this yesterday. Aibu to think he's insane?

My husband and his ex-gf share two children. They have been separated for 10 years (kids are early teens).

We have been together for 6 years and share a child who is 3.

Husbands ex has been in a relationship for the last 6/7 years. Unfortunately this has just ended.

I need to add that they have not always gotten along, DH and ex. There were some really awful times, abusive messages, difficulties agreeing to contact schedules, being awful about me etc... I rarely say more than the odd hello to her.

Right now, they co parent pretty well and it's relatively calm because DSC can mainly contact us/ their mum by themselves now so not much need for contact but it's by no means been an easy or stress free road. I am glad that we mainly need to have nothing to do with her anymore.

Anyway, due to her relationship ending, ex has said to DH that she'll be keeping the children all of Christmas day as she'll be by herself otherwise. Usually they split the day so one has morning, one has them for dinner and changes each year. It was DHs turn for Christmas dinner this year so he's understandably gutted. She has a habit of thinking decisions are hers to solely make and just informing him of what's happening. He doesn't fight her enough imo on this. They share custody completely equally.

DH has now been saying how Christmas will be rubbish now, won't even feel like Christmas, cant even be bothered with it now blah blah blah. Which I've told him is ridiculous seen as we also have a child so he needs to get a grip for their sake at least!

But anyway, he's just blind sided me yesterday saying that he's going to suggest to his ex that either she comes here for Christmas dinner with DSC (my family usually comes so that will be nice and awkward) or alternatively he wants to take our child to her house to see DSC in the afternoon on Christmas day, leaving me at home without our child on Christmas day.

I don't want either of those and think he's utterly insane for suggesting them. If he wants to see DSC on Christmas he needs to tell ex that her being alone on Xmas day isn't his problem and he wants DSC as previously arranged not expect all of us to adjust our day and me to be without our child to appease her. Imo if he doesn't want to argue with her on it, he should just accept seeing DSC on boxing day instead this year.

Aibu to argue this and say no? If he really wants to drop in to see DSC and can't just wait until boxing day then he can but I don't want our child going or her coming here.

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adviceneeded1990 · 16/11/2024 09:52

I’d be happy for him to pop round there with your DD - maybe do presents and family breakfast with DD in morning then he pops round from 10-1 or something while you get yourself sorted for the day? Then he’s back for your family coming over for dinner etc and you’ve got whole day/night with your DD?

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 16/11/2024 09:51

Why can't you alternate as I suggested, OP?

onion88 · 16/11/2024 09:50

LoneStar7 · 16/11/2024 09:47

What, that the kids don’t want to go this year? I think that’s where I would place my bet (and she’s taking the blame to protect them from hurting their dads feelings).

Could be! I've often said in the past I don't think alternating mid day is best for them but been shut down.

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kittybiscuits · 16/11/2024 09:49

I'm sorry OP, I haven't read the thread, just your original post, but I think it's absolutely ridiculous that your partner's ex thinks childcare arrangements for Christmas would change just because she's single now. Also that your partner is just going along with this, is nuts. If I had a really good relationship with her, I would invite her to call in on Christmas day, but it doesn't sound like that's the case. Does your P always allow her to just make decisions?

onion88 · 16/11/2024 09:48

You presumably knew what the set up with his ex was like when you had dd/decided to get married?

Yes.. the set up was that they alternated mid Christmas day. Not that I'd have to spend hours without DD on Christmas day so his ex didn't have to. That was never the set up or the agreement.

I appreciate posters are saying well if it's fine for her it's fine for you. But at the end of day, I am not separated from my child's father. I don't have an agreement to alternate Christmas. I shouldn't have to not see my child, who's father I am still with, on Christmas day so his ex can reneg on their agreed arrangement.

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Justkeepingplatesspinning · 16/11/2024 09:48

I think you need to approach this strategically and think about how whatever happens this year is going to have a ripple effect down the line.
He's still got care and compassion for his ex, which yes is grating as he's putting her first. He also needs to get his head around how he's made you feel irrelevant and second fiddle.
I do wonder if she's told him that she will stop him from seeing his boys completely if he doesn't let her have them all day.
Whatever, you need to decide if this is a deal breaker for you. If this is really how he sees you, are you willing to put up with always being second best and second thought? I could understand if it was the kids coming first, that's the only time I think it's acceptable to have your partner not your first priority. Only here it seems that he's dividing his children into different priorities too, and his wee un is lower in the pecking order. Essentially, first family comes first scenario.
If it were me, I'd hold my nose and ask her round for Christmas lunch, no matter how much it stung to see my supposedly DP playing happy families with her.
I'd also be having a big think about whether I wanted to be in a relationship with someone who didn't make any effort to understand my feelings over this.

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 16/11/2024 09:48

There's a very simple solution!!!

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 16/11/2024 09:48

Gonk123 · 16/11/2024 09:01

Put your foot down and tell him that your DD will be going nowhere on Christmas Day. How unsettling for her anyway to go to a strangers house on Christmas Day. She will want to be at home home playing with her new toys etc anyway. It’s a ridiculous idea. I would be fuming.

What - see her siblings?

Motherofdragons20 · 16/11/2024 09:48

I think him taking DC to see them for a few hours is a pretty good idea tbh. Xmas day can be pretty long, your child will probably be up early and presents will be done by 8am, dinner at 4ish. I think him taking them to see older siblings early afternoon would be good, they will be excited to show their siblings a few of their presents and you can get organised for dinner. Ideal really.

MissUltraViolet · 16/11/2024 09:47

BarbaraHoward · 16/11/2024 09:43

I think lots of three year olds would be super excited to get to go see their siblings and show off a couple of their new toys.

Yeah and a lot also wouldn't, especially with such a big age gap between the siblings.

Lets also not forget that this isn't nana and grandads house or a close family members. It's her dads ex, OP has already mentioned shes basically a stranger to DD.

LoneStar7 · 16/11/2024 09:47

Pussycat22 · 16/11/2024 09:43

LoneStar7thats the real issue here isn't it.

What, that the kids don’t want to go this year? I think that’s where I would place my bet (and she’s taking the blame to protect them from hurting their dads feelings).

PureBoggin · 16/11/2024 09:47

WhyNotUsehis · 16/11/2024 08:46

So you're okay with him not seeing his DC on Christmas Day, but you object to missing a couple of hours with your joint DC while they go with their father to see their siblings?

Not what she said.

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 16/11/2024 09:47

@MissUltraViolet Sorry- I thought the 3 yos dad is second partner?

Whyherewego · 16/11/2024 09:44

onion88 · 16/11/2024 09:40

No, DD has never been to exes house. She's only met her maybe twice at the door.

To be honest I can imagine DD kicking off about having to leave on the day anyway. I certainly wouldn't be forcing her to go.

Then I would agree that DD doesn't go to ex house on Xmas day

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 16/11/2024 09:44

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 16/11/2024 08:51

@onion88 I dont understand why he hasnt put his foot down and said no to her changes!!!! he should be having the children at the usual time for christmas, be it before dinner or after dinner. as for saying the christmas will be shit now, that is awful when he has another child at home! I certainly would not be allowing him to take your child to her house either! the ex is being totally unreasonable.

Edited

Maybe because he is a human being with some empathy for his ex/mother of three of his children?

Liesmorelies · 16/11/2024 09:43

I think the very fact that he wants to take your dd shows that she is important to him as much as his other dc. He sees all three as his dc (as they are) and wants to see them together on Christmas day. This is why blended families and second families often struggle because the all parents involved don't all view all the dc in the same way.

I also don't agree he is prioritising his ex over you but after years of conflict he isn't suddenly going to be able to 'make' her agree to something. I have an ex and father to my dc who is unreliable and I can't suddenly magically make him stick to plans now. If a new partner expected that they would be within their rights to walk away but they wouldn't be able to insist I 'sorted it' as it's not that simple. You presumably knew what the set up with his ex was like when you had dd/decided to get married? You shouldn't have assumed it would change. I know that's pointless to say now but you have to accept that you are in a relationship with someone who has dc outside of your nuclear family and that will always impact you and dd in one way or another.

Pussycat22 · 16/11/2024 09:43

LoneStar7thats the real issue here isn't it.

BarbaraHoward · 16/11/2024 09:43

MissUltraViolet · 16/11/2024 09:41

What 3 year old is going to be happy being taken away from all of her new toys to go sit in a strangers house to watch her teenage brothers open gifts, come on now lol.

Tell DH go alone for an hour or two, deliver their gifts, spend some time with them. DD presumably can spend boxing day with her brothers if they are no longer coming to yours for Xmas day? Seems the best way to keep everyone as happy as possible.

I think lots of three year olds would be super excited to get to go see their siblings and show off a couple of their new toys.

onion88 · 16/11/2024 09:42

Ex also has family so why she can't possibly spend the day with them I don't know.

There is history as mentioned in my OP of her just unilaterally deciding something and in her mind DH having to like it or lump it. She believes all decisions like this are hers solely to make, she always has.

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Youthiswastedontheyoung · 16/11/2024 09:42

Easy solution: do Christmas Day on Boxing Day. That's what I've been doing since my divorce when kids 3 and 6. They're 14 and 17 now. I also have a 4 yo with second husband.
Then next year it switches
It's not ideal but that's life.

RosieLeaf · 16/11/2024 09:42

So what if she’s raw? Why does that trump everyone else’s plans?

There’s no way this would be the suggestions if it was the DF who had just split up and was going to be alone.

MissUltraViolet · 16/11/2024 09:41

What 3 year old is going to be happy being taken away from all of her new toys to go sit in a strangers house to watch her teenage brothers open gifts, come on now lol.

Tell DH go alone for an hour or two, deliver their gifts, spend some time with them. DD presumably can spend boxing day with her brothers if they are no longer coming to yours for Xmas day? Seems the best way to keep everyone as happy as possible.

BarbaraHoward · 16/11/2024 09:41

BlueSilverCats · 16/11/2024 09:34

It's not a compromise when only one person gets what they want, and everyone else is bending backwards to accommodate it.

I don't think OP is really having to compromise much or bend over backwards. Her DH and DC will be out for a couple of hours. They're hosting later that day so it'll be busy anyway and easier without a preschooler under foot. Or if all is in hand, how often does the mother of a 3yo get to sit down and watch a terrible Christmas movie in the middle of the day?

The DC going with the DH really doesn't have to be a drama.

Pussycat22 · 16/11/2024 09:41

AnneLovesGilbert I'd go to annoy her!!!

onion88 · 16/11/2024 09:40

CowTown · 16/11/2024 09:38

Does DC often hang out at XW’s home? Is this a familiar environment?

No, DD has never been to exes house. She's only met her maybe twice at the door.

To be honest I can imagine DD kicking off about having to leave on the day anyway. I certainly wouldn't be forcing her to go.

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