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DP received letter for CMS

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lockdownbabyx · 15/11/2024 15:42

My partner and I have been together for 4 years and have 2 children and another on the way.
Today he received a letter from CMS saying he owes child maintenance for a child he has never known about. This child is now 5 years old.

Obviously a dna test will need to be done anyway, but where do we stand with this?

I'm so upset and confused, literally found out I was pregnant again yesterday 😭

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GettingThemFromHereToThere · 15/11/2024 16:54

lockdownbabyx · 15/11/2024 15:46

He's adamant condoms were always used, the relationship didn't end great and she blocked him (apparently)

Obviously if the child is his he will have to pay, but the amount they're asking for we cannot afford.

Unfortunately, that's not the child's problem, is it. You're very early stages of pregnancy, you have options if he can't afford the children he's already brought into the world.

ReleaseTheHoneyBadgers · 15/11/2024 16:53

Worrieduser1976 · 15/11/2024 16:22

This. The speed they found him suggests to me he's already on their books. Sorry you're going through this OP and I hope you don't become another woman chasing for CMS.

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The speed? 5 years? Where are you getting your timings from? This feels like a pointlessly unkind post based on nothing but your own need to hurt. Sad.

icloudta · 15/11/2024 16:52

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ReleaseTheHoneyBadgers · 15/11/2024 16:52

Silvers11 · 15/11/2024 16:00

Ah!! Hadn't thought of that!!

You two seem nice.

DoTheDinosaurStomp · 15/11/2024 16:51

murasaki · 15/11/2024 16:28

The decision making is poor all round
She'd been with him for a year if that before getting pregnant, he knows nothing about contraception. And now there will be three, possibly four kids to support.

Very poor descision making all round. Sounds like they were together months before getting pregnant with the first then popping more out one after the other. Hopefully it works put between the two of them but it isn't likely, they barely knew one another when they ended up stuck together.

Katemax82 · 15/11/2024 16:51

Don't cms calculate the amount based on the father's income? Minus a percentage for other kids?

SometimesCalmPerson · 15/11/2024 16:51

The figure they are asking for won’t have considered the two other children your DP has so that will reduce it significantly and it would reduce again when your baby is born.

If your DP is actually the father. Hopefully for both of you he won’t be. It’s awful that women can do this and the law needs to catch up. If you hide a pregnancy and then decide to go ahead with it alone, the law should not support you in screwing someone else out of money.

Onthesideofthespiders · 15/11/2024 16:50

How well do you actually know him @lockdownbabyx ? Because, it kinda seems like you got pregnant by him very quickly, and have then spent the next few years pregnant or in recovery from giving birth. That clouds your ability to get to know him as a person rather than just as a couple dealing with newborns and toddlers.

Just, be careful. And don’t believe everything he tells you about this other child until you’ve checked for yourself.

mortlurf · 15/11/2024 16:49

Sorry you came on here for support and advice and have had such horrible replies from a lot of people. I hope you're ok, it must have been a big shock for you.

Snorlaxo · 15/11/2024 16:49

Some judgy replies. 👀. I have exes that I haven’t looked up since splitting up. If they’d gone to have babies I wouldn’t have had a clue. OP’s h said it ended badly and he was blocked and for all we know he was happy about that and left it in the past until CMS contacted him.

There’s lots of mums on here who don’t collect CMS from their ex. The reasons vary but maybe mum is finding it hard to finance the child alone or maybe the child is at an age where they are asking about their father and OP thinks that he should be contributing too? Maybe “things that ended badly” is a polite way to say there was abuse ? Lots of mums on here don’t claim CM because they think that dad will want contact in return.

Condoms aren’t 100% so always using condoms doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s not the father.

As otjhers have said DNA then a chat about how to make your family finances work (shorter maternity leave etc) . CMS is a minimum amount to pay so he has to pay that amount (if it’s correct )

AutumnLeaves24 · 15/11/2024 16:48

murasaki · 15/11/2024 15:59

He needs a dna test, to pay up if the child is his, and a vasectomy. He's clearly shit at contraception. That is too many kids in too short a time.

I rather think that's up to the OP & her DP. Wanting 3 kids, close in age isn't exactly unusual. 🙄🙄

coffeesaveslives · 15/11/2024 16:47

I'm sorry you're going through this - it must have been one hell of a shock Flowers

Ultimately, if he's the father then he won't have a choice - he'll need to pay. Hopefully you get an answer sooner rather than later.

DeedlessIndeed · 15/11/2024 16:47

Gosh, what a shock. I'd probably be livid but it's one of those situations where there isn't a correct person to be angry with.

Yes to the DNA test and subsequent engagement with CMS. Then at least you have all the facts on what your husband owes and what he'll have to pay going forward.

The fact you only found out you are pregnant recently feels like awful timing, but frankly it IS better finding out early in your pregnancy. You can perhaps plan better knowing your outgoings etc through mat leave and essentially if your family unit can afford another baby.

Tough decisions all around, and I'd say it's pretty bloody legitimate to feel angry right now. But try to keep in mind that this child deserves as much of your DH's attention and resources as each of your children do.

DoTheDinosaurStomp · 15/11/2024 16:46

PrincessSakura · 15/11/2024 16:23

There’s a lot of judgment on this thread yet no one knows the circumstances of any of these people, why are some so quick to think he must have known?
What’s with the judgement of him having 3 children with the OP? They are family, lots of people have children close together in age.

I don’t think there’s much you can do until a DNA test is done. If he is the father then hopefully you can come to an agreement with regarding the payments owed and payments going forward.
I can imagine it’s a huge shock but if he didn’t know then there's no blame on him and it was before you were together.

Yes, lots of people do have children close in age. Within the same family. Not to different women.

It sounds like this man has irresponsibly had a kid with one person then had another kid to the OP before his first kid was even one year old. It's disgraceful on his part.

I'd question how well the OP really knows this boyfriend, he hardly sounds like a good upstanding chap.

AutumnLeaves24 · 15/11/2024 16:46

murasaki · 15/11/2024 16:23

But she's had two, and is having a third in an incredibly short space of time from getting into a relationship with him.

So, lots of people want/have 3 kids & some want them close in age. Their choice. I could do a parachute jump with your judgey pants

VeryCheesyChips · 15/11/2024 16:45

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Tell me you’ve not just offered that bit of ‘advice’? Fucking hell

Wigglywoowho · 15/11/2024 16:45

He needs to tell them that he wasn't aware of the pregnancy or birth of the child and wants a DNA test to prove paternity. If paternity is proved he'll have to pay the amount that child maintenance tells him. It doesn'tatgee if he can afford it he has a responsibility to financially provide for his child. He is going to have to look at where he can trim the fat.

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ShiningforLeeBertie · 15/11/2024 16:44

Lifeglowup · 15/11/2024 15:49

How long have you been together? Long enough to expecting your third child, so I ‘m wondering if it’s more or less than 5 years?

Literally the first line of the OP

SableOrangeFox · 15/11/2024 16:43

lockdownbabyx · 15/11/2024 15:42

My partner and I have been together for 4 years and have 2 children and another on the way.
Today he received a letter from CMS saying he owes child maintenance for a child he has never known about. This child is now 5 years old.

Obviously a dna test will need to be done anyway, but where do we stand with this?

I'm so upset and confused, literally found out I was pregnant again yesterday 😭

I’m so sorry, this was also my life.

I was pregnant with my second child, and husband working away that week, when we got a CMS request for a teenager.

It broke my heart as I knew nothing about it.

He denied it, but had a very expensive Child support ordered DNA test, it was about £500. And of course it said he was the father.

So he had to pay for this teenager.

His parents knew about it, so that ruined our relationship too.

It made me very bitter for years.

And much worse off. Life is very unfair, on that child and her mother too.

I wish you every happiness and good luck in the future.

Birdscratch · 15/11/2024 16:43

If he’s the father he’ll need to pay. Have a look at the CMS calculator.

https://child-maintenance.dwp.gov.uk/calculate/details/will-you-be-paying-or-receiving-child-maintenance-payments

The fact that he lives in a home with 2 (soon to be 3) children will reduce the payment he’d have to make.

Will you be paying or receiving child maintenance? - Calculate child maintenance - GOV.UK

https://child-maintenance.dwp.gov.uk/calculate/details/will-you-be-paying-or-receiving-child-maintenance-payments

fromthegecko · 15/11/2024 16:41

50andhopeless · 15/11/2024 16:20

There is not much you can or should do. If he is a PAYE, the calculations are fairly simple. 12 percent up to a weekly gross of 800. 9 percent of everything over 800 to 3000 per week. If he earns more than 3000 per week, the ex can go to court for a calculation over 3000.

Pitiful, isn't it? At least the OP can take comfort from the fact that, even if her DP has to pay, it won't be anything like half the actual cost of raising a child.

lunar1 · 15/11/2024 16:39

Get the DNA test, and then get your head around it. But I'd brace yourself for the possibility it's not the first he's heard about this.

AnneLovesGilbert · 15/11/2024 16:39

As a couple you will need to tighten your belts and/or change your lifestyle to financially support the child.

This could barely sound more gleeful.

BodyKeepingScore · 15/11/2024 16:38

@Worrieduser1976 how do you know what "speed" they found him? Could have taken them five years to get this far...

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