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Doglover321 · 15/11/2024 09:50

Hi everyone, I’m sharing a flat with my boyfriend and we have huge mold and drainage issues. Mold covers the exterior and interior of the property, and the toilet and shower are both thoroughly blocked. The landlord visited following a hole in the ground floor flat’s ceiling (due to our shower flooding), and has told us a plumber will be visiting today - two days after the event!! He says we will have to pay rather than him. Surely this is something a landlord would usually pay for? He also told us that in the meantime we would have to use the swimming pool showers if we needed to shower. TIA for any thoughts.

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ElaborateCushion · 18/11/2024 18:12

LakieLady · 18/11/2024 15:36

I've got very thick hair and I shed it like a labrador in a heat wave. I have never had a problem with it blocking the shower waste in the 31 years l've lived here. And I don't recall it blocking a waste pipe anywhere else I've lived, even when my hair was waist length.

I have very fine hair that's not particularly long, yet I have to de-fuzz the shower drain regularly!

Maybe my drains aren't particularly good either, but I keep a plunger in the bathroom ready for such eventualities and give it a good plunge (what an excellent word) when the water starts backing up.

It's a very satisfying, if not entirely disgusting, job!

LakieLady · 18/11/2024 15:36

Cosyblankets · 15/11/2024 14:08

When did you last empty the shower drain of hair for it to be so bad that it blocked and flooded?
This is your issue not the landlord's
Will the building insurance even cover the damage if it's down to your negligence? I'm not sure.

I've got very thick hair and I shed it like a labrador in a heat wave. I have never had a problem with it blocking the shower waste in the 31 years l've lived here. And I don't recall it blocking a waste pipe anywhere else I've lived, even when my hair was waist length.

WiddlinDiddlin · 18/11/2024 14:51

Ohhhhhhh I see... it read like you expected the short flush to help, not 'additionally the cement pooper was using the short flush, which didn't help...' .

NewGreenDuck · 18/11/2024 14:43

WiddlinDiddlin · 18/11/2024 05:45

Yeah I think the OP might have mentioned something like that, if they were producing abnormal amounts of poo regularly.

Why would the short flush be of use, it's a significantly smaller amount of water, used for flushing a wee?

Because the person concerned is blind and hadn't realised they were only pushing the short flush mechanism.
I mention the short flush as lots of people don't actually realise how to use it believe it or not!

ElaborateCushion · 18/11/2024 14:34

Doglover321 · 15/11/2024 13:17

We have been wiping the mold away every few days with warm water and washing up liquid, as well as ventilating the house. Surely it shouldn’t be growing back so soon?

My DM used to use diluted bleach. Washing up liquid will remove it superficially, but the spores are still there.

Think of mould like the hairs on your legs. You can shave them as much as you want, but the roots are still there.

Washing up liquid is the equivalent of a razor.

Bleach is the equivalent of a wax.

Proper mould treatment and/or resolving the reason for the mould growing is like an IPL machine!

Cosyblankets · 18/11/2024 13:50

LilyPAnderson · 18/11/2024 03:41

Why should they have to strip wash at a sink when they're paying somebody else's mortgage which includes maintenance?

Because they didn't bother to clean their own hair out of the shower trap and it blocked and flooded downstairs.
Not everything is the landlord's responsibility in a rental. You are still expected to keep it clean

WiddlinDiddlin · 18/11/2024 05:45

NewGreenDuck · 17/11/2024 12:43

Actually it is possible to block a toilet with poo. My oldest has done this on occasion, TMI, but coeliac, too much poo and toilet blocked. And using the short flush didn't help. Which is why I have a plunger nearby. And why I rod the drains regularly.

Edited

Yeah I think the OP might have mentioned something like that, if they were producing abnormal amounts of poo regularly.

Why would the short flush be of use, it's a significantly smaller amount of water, used for flushing a wee?

LilyPAnderson · 18/11/2024 03:41

BMW6 · 15/11/2024 10:56

You can keep clean by strip washing at a sink and wash hair over sink.

What has caused the blockage? If its been caused by you then of course you should pay for unblocking and possibly repair to the floor from flooding. (Why did you keep the shower going when you saw the water was not draining away?)

Why should they have to strip wash at a sink when they're paying somebody else's mortgage which includes maintenance?

NewGreenDuck · 17/11/2024 12:43

Actually it is possible to block a toilet with poo. My oldest has done this on occasion, TMI, but coeliac, too much poo and toilet blocked. And using the short flush didn't help. Which is why I have a plunger nearby. And why I rod the drains regularly.

tillymintt · 17/11/2024 12:11

re mould.
It's difficult, even with windows open. You need a dehumidfier and to put paint made for bathrooms and kitchens on trouble spots so that you can wipe them clean (and wipe off damp so it doesn't stay on the plaster). I live in a house with central heating and big windows and we still get mould in the bathroom. Condensation paint will also help.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 17/11/2024 03:00

Yeah I would be very VERY suspicious of the plumber friend saying poo caused the blockage - that to me sounds like dodgy piping or a build up of something in the pipes, especially if if had gone far down.

I once had a landlord have a plumber friend claim that the flood in the sitting room was caused by a seal on my relatively new washing machine in the kitchen which he “kindly replaced” before we saw it. He didn’t charged us for it immediately then whacked the rent up £300 a month to cover the £600 insurance excess (maths was not his strong point). The main thing we knew that made it a complete lie was the kitchen floor, all the wood around the machine etc was bone dry and some of the water was running down the wall from the upstairs bathroom. A radiator near the floof had a shiny new part to it afterwards too. My partners dad mentioned to us afterwards that he once had a leak from a radiator and found that you can’t claim for leaks of very old radiators as you should replace them but a valve on a washing machine is covered by insurance. So his plumber friend helped him file a dodgy insurance claim, blaming us and then upped the rent. Lovely guy! He didn’t even do the sensible thing and update the plumbing, several more radiators sprung leaks afterwards.

The hair thing seems like it must be extreme to do that - would you not notice hair in the drain? You should clean them but every few months tip some bathroom drain unblocker down the plughole too as that dissolves hair.

Honestly I would move though - your landlord sounds dodgy and the mould will damage your lungs.

pollymere · 16/11/2024 22:59

When cleaning mould, try to avoid anything wet. Use a regular detergent but as dry as possible. You can use bleach to whiten away the black but make sure you keep it as dry as possible. Try a dry cloth on it first and dry with kitchen roll after cleaning it. Warm water will just encourage mould to grow.

And you won't break down poo with what you've been trying. You need bleach to help with breakdown. Sometimes you just need to use chemicals!

pollymere · 16/11/2024 22:53

YABU if you blocked the toilet and the shower and then asked your Landlord to fix it. Poo can block a toilet if you've got issues with your diet and combine it with too much loo roll as well. A toilet plunger or even a toilet brush is usually enough to unblock it. Or putting in a load of bleach overnight often works too.

Buy a cheap sink plunger for your shower or a hair trap! It will frequently block and you will need to unblock it. You can also use a wire coat hanger. You shouldn't be calling your Landlord out for that.

OCDmama · 16/11/2024 21:37

CowTown · 15/11/2024 11:44

If I were your landlord, I would be fuming and would not be renewing your contract. Be aware that this is a real possibility; prepare yourself.

  • Mould on the outside sounds like there are issues…this is LL’s responsibility.

However, your responsibilities as a tenant include:

  • Keeping the flat warm in the winter and allowing for ventilation.
  • Running a dehumidifier if you’re drying laundry in the flat, or if you notice lots of damp, eg on the insides of the windows. Dry the insides of the windows daily with a towel.
  • Once you notice that a sink is slowly draining, buy some sink unblocker and use it per the instructions on the pack. DO NOT ALLOW A SHOWER TO RUN OVER THE EDGES AND ONTO THE FLOOR.
  • Do not flush lots of loo roll down the toilet; do a flush mid-poo if you need it.

This is pretty basic, common-sense stuff, OP. You cannot destroy someone else’s property, even if they are a “stingy landlord”. I voted YABU because your negligence caused this.

Edited

If the landlord wants to protect their property and have it heated then they should install some fucking radiators!

One storage heater for a whole flat, FFS there are going to be problems.

OCDmama · 16/11/2024 21:34

Ferguson0909 · 15/11/2024 12:58

It was fit for habitation before tenant moved in. Not fit now because tenant has allowed black mould to grow?
whose fault do you think?

Wow tell us you're a scummy landlord without telling us you're a scummy landlord!

The mould is coming from an inadequately heated property. OP has explained that they ventilate well but have no heating (1 storage heater just doesn't count). I'm betting the mould is concentrating on external walls..... Because they're cold and damp. In the bathroom because.... No ventilation and cold.

The scummy landlord (are you two chums?) will have painted over the old mould before OP moved in. Mould is incredibly difficult to eradicate. It will just keep coming back and back. The spores are incredibly resilient. I've got two fucking masters degrees that cover this, and I know what mould is and how to treat it (or more like, how it can't really be treated without attacking it from many angles).

OP, I've been in your position. Tbh the only thing that started even addressing the problem was to bleach the walls (black mould remover - but this won't kill the mould, it's pretty much a cosmetic thing) and getting a blow heater. Fire it at the mould and dry it out as much as you can.

Then move out to somewhere with radiators.

Nanof8 · 16/11/2024 20:44

Doglover321 · 15/11/2024 12:42

No, I said I didn’t and wouldn’t use a loo brush for visible poo. Someone did a poo and then flushed the toilet and it went. However, the next time we flushed the loo, the water rose

If you don't have one already you need to get a bell plunger for the next time it happens. We keep ours behind the toilet. We also have a small plumbers snake for the sink and tub drains to keep them clean.

Stingy landlord?
Landloper · 16/11/2024 20:41

Doglover321 · 15/11/2024 09:50

Hi everyone, I’m sharing a flat with my boyfriend and we have huge mold and drainage issues. Mold covers the exterior and interior of the property, and the toilet and shower are both thoroughly blocked. The landlord visited following a hole in the ground floor flat’s ceiling (due to our shower flooding), and has told us a plumber will be visiting today - two days after the event!! He says we will have to pay rather than him. Surely this is something a landlord would usually pay for? He also told us that in the meantime we would have to use the swimming pool showers if we needed to shower. TIA for any thoughts.

Landlord's financial, legal, and moral responsibility without a doubt. You have your local council's Environmental Health Department to call upon for help. They will check out your accomodation and, if they find the property to be below standard, they will order the landlord to address the problem. Mould causes health problems. The council will require the landlord to remedy the situation at his or her own expense. You can't rent out unhealthy property, that is a statutory requirement .The landlord should have sorted the mould before letting the place.

Kjpt140v · 16/11/2024 19:46

Little sympathy for toilet and shower, obviously your fault. If he refuses to deal with the damp, contact the ombudsman.

caringcarer · 16/11/2024 18:05

LL is responsible for toilet and you'd be responsible for hair in the shower. If the shower caused flooding do you have insurance to cover it. I've had tenants who blocked shower with long black hair. I got my maintenance man to sort it out but I did warn tenants (2 females with long black hair) if they blocked it again they'd have to pay themselves. Do you have an extractor fan in the bathroom? If not ask for one because it helps with damp and mold.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 16/11/2024 17:40

You need a proper fungicide spray for the mould, not just soapy water. Be careful not to breath it in as you spray though, and move pets into another room when you apply it. Keep them away from the treated area for a couple of hours afterwards.

Curtainqueen · 16/11/2024 17:36

Doglover321 · 15/11/2024 13:17

We have been wiping the mold away every few days with warm water and washing up liquid, as well as ventilating the house. Surely it shouldn’t be growing back so soon?

Have you tried sticking an emoji over it?

WiddlinDiddlin · 16/11/2024 17:26

But if it were the loo roll then surely the plumber would say 'too much paper being flushed down'... and if its a weak flush then that is the landlords problem too.

A flush only needs to be strong enough to send waste around the U bend, if you're upstairs.. then it drops down and gravity does the work until it gets to the pipework in the ground. Then it depends on the gradient and the amount of water (but not force generated by the flush) as to how far each flush carries each 'load'... if the gradient is poor, pipework cracked/broken/obstructed in some way... then that will slow things and likely cause a blockage, but again... landlords problem!

TwigletsAndRadishes · 16/11/2024 17:13

WiddlinDiddlin · 16/11/2024 05:54

What, poo caused the blockage?

Do you eat only cement?

I don't doubt that there was a blockage of poo, but I do doubt that the poo caused it, poo is meant to go down toilets!

As for the hair, that shouldn't be there, you should clean the trap often BUT.. can you clean the trap. I once lived in a property where they'd made it impossible to get at. You had to lift the cover over the shower drain and someone had sealed/glued it on... As proven when the plumber rather condescendly tried to show me how to take it off (in all the ways I had already tried) and ended up breaking it off with a screwdriver, revealing the gluey mess of old sealant inside...

Anyway, the landlord hired the plumber, landlord thus pays the plumber. Landlord needs to provide actual proof you caused the damage, not simply 'plumber says poo caused the blockage'... however he can also evict you if he follows the proper procedure... and if you don't pay, probably will... so I'd start looking for somewhere less awful to live.

And report him to the local authority for the mould and lack of proper heating whilst you're at it.

It's not just the poo though, it's usually a case of far too much loo roll being used in one 'sitting' as it were, without an interim flush. Especially if there is a weak flush, it's just going to compound the problem.

olympicsrock · 16/11/2024 06:09

OP how do you do your laundry? Do you have wet clothes hanging in the flat? Do you open windows when you cook ?
We had a problem with mould in the bedroom and used to run a small silent dehumidifier in the bedroom overnight.
Either the landlord needs to pay a plumber to sort the toilet flush or you need to pour additional water down the toilet each time you poo.
You can’t continue to live in a flat with mould that you don’t heat.

Growsomeballswoman · 16/11/2024 06:05

You need to use the storage heater each night and ventilate daily. Mould can't be cleared with soapy water,it needs a proper spray. Any condensation on windows to be wiped daily. Does the bathroom have an extractor?!

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