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"chest feeding" men should not be put above women and babies by La Leche League. Reasonable?

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GenerativeAIBot · 14/11/2024 16:40

How many women will self exclude based on this outcome? How many children will suffer because of it? Anything more than zero is unacceptable

This is the direct and foreseeable outcome of ever allowing the word woman to be mutable. This is the ultimate outcome of all these progressive policies, generally well meaning, with terrible outcomes

https://archive.ph/NsquC

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/breastfeeding-charity-chief-quits-over-transgender-policy-zhvhl8nps

Identity politics should be dead and we need to bury it.

Trustee quits breastfeeding charity over trans policy

Miriam Main resigned from La Leche League over a policy that allows biological men to attend support groups

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/breastfeeding-charity-chief-quits-over-transgender-policy-zhvhl8nps

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Naunet · 15/11/2024 08:45

LostittoBostik · 15/11/2024 08:40

Be careful how you through language around.
Rejecting identity politics means you cannot insist on protecting the right to breastfeed in public ("exposing yourself") because you are a breastfeeding mother

Why?

LostittoBostik · 15/11/2024 08:40

Be careful how you through language around.
Rejecting identity politics means you cannot insist on protecting the right to breastfeed in public ("exposing yourself") because you are a breastfeeding mother

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/11/2024 08:38

BalletCat · 15/11/2024 08:30

The word cis is a real word that has a meaning. Just because you don't like it doesn't it isn't a thing.

I stand by the fact trans man/woman is a simple self obvious term and the only peouwho don't understand it are either stupid and can't understand the semantics of the English language or are misunderstanding on purposes to make a point, like you have done in your post. Your prejudice is showing.

  1. What is its meaning? When would I need to use it in a sentence?
  2. We know that many people don't understand what a trans woman is and what a trans man is, and get them the wrong way round. Just because you think it's easy for people to understand doesn't mean it is. Of course, if we were allowed to say, "a trans woman is a man who wants to be a woman and a trans man is a woman who wants to be a man", people would find that explanation easier to understand, but we're not even allowed to use plain English to explain what these terms mean, because plain English is transphobic.
goldenshred · 15/11/2024 08:37

100 percent would self exclude from a breast feeding group that allowed in fetishism and child abuse. This is sickening on so many levels.

GenerativeAIBot · 15/11/2024 08:35

BalletCat · 15/11/2024 08:30

The word cis is a real word that has a meaning. Just because you don't like it doesn't it isn't a thing.

I stand by the fact trans man/woman is a simple self obvious term and the only peouwho don't understand it are either stupid and can't understand the semantics of the English language or are misunderstanding on purposes to make a point, like you have done in your post. Your prejudice is showing.

It's a recorded fact that most people don't understand which definition is which. Politely you may be so incredible clever and evolved, but half the population has an IQ less than 100.

It's a major issue with any polls or surveys, as people genuinely are not sure if "trans woman" means they are really a man, or a woman, who wants to be a man.

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Naunet · 15/11/2024 08:32

izimbra · 15/11/2024 00:37

You're vastly more likely to die in a random car accident on your way to a breastfeeding cafe than tragically encounter a breastfeeding transgender woman at one, but don't let that stop you getting very very angry and scared at the hypothetical likelihood of it happening.

BiscuitBiscuit

What the fuck has meeting a transwoman got to do with anything? Why do you think his desire to breastfeeding feed a baby should come before that baby's health? Are you so lost in your perceived righteousness that willing to sacrifice children to the alter of trans?

BalletCat · 15/11/2024 08:30

The word cis is a real word that has a meaning. Just because you don't like it doesn't it isn't a thing.

I stand by the fact trans man/woman is a simple self obvious term and the only peouwho don't understand it are either stupid and can't understand the semantics of the English language or are misunderstanding on purposes to make a point, like you have done in your post. Your prejudice is showing.

GenerativeAIBot · 15/11/2024 08:27

Helleofabore · 14/11/2024 18:01

It gets worse. Women who discuss it online in Australia can be told they have broken the law. Because a male centred experience (there is no proven robust study done on these secretions to show they are safe in the long term) must only be celebrated apparently.

Two Australian Women Told They Broke The Law After Criticizing Trans-Identified Male Breastfeeding Child - Reduxx

I hope some Australian people are reading and sharing this then...

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VeryCheesyChips · 15/11/2024 07:42

izimbra · 15/11/2024 00:37

You're vastly more likely to die in a random car accident on your way to a breastfeeding cafe than tragically encounter a breastfeeding transgender woman at one, but don't let that stop you getting very very angry and scared at the hypothetical likelihood of it happening.

BiscuitBiscuit

So as long as it doesn’t exist at the local cafe it’s ok for babies to be subject to this?

You’re a pervert apologist.

GenerativeAIBot · 15/11/2024 07:10

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Point at the transphobia please

men aren’t women

men can’t breast feed

women deserve their own spaces not invaded by predatory men

Women like you are destroying the concept of women by putting men above you

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LilyBartsHatShop · 15/11/2024 07:04

"He didn't bruise her where anyone can see so why are you all making such a fuss?"

LilyBartsHatShop · 15/11/2024 06:58

izimbra · 15/11/2024 00:37

You're vastly more likely to die in a random car accident on your way to a breastfeeding cafe than tragically encounter a breastfeeding transgender woman at one, but don't let that stop you getting very very angry and scared at the hypothetical likelihood of it happening.

BiscuitBiscuit

You're highly highly unlikely to come across anyone abusing a child at a café.
Not being able to enjoy a latte in peace is not the reason I raise awareness about child abuse.
Sometimes other people may as well be martians for all I can figure out what goes on in their heads.

Lovebirdshatecats · 15/11/2024 06:49

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/11/2024 20:04

I guess they can if they haven't had a mastectomy.

Don't they hate being women so bind or get rid of breasts. Having a baby is a very female thing to do for someone who thinks they are now male. Obviously we all know you can't actually change sex.

PaterPower · 15/11/2024 06:44

Gatecrashermum · 14/11/2024 17:21

I had assumed it was this

I am generally very inclusive and trans-positive but I find "chest-feeding" a step too far.

How many trans men will actually be using this service? It must be an absolutely tiny number. Seems silly to change all language to accommodate such a tiny minority

I think it must be incredibly hard bearing a child as a trans man, and probably extremely distressing. I'd imagine going to a class that called it "breastfeeding" would be the least of their worries

If only there were ways a ‘trans man’ could prevent themselves from undergoing such a “distressing” event 🙄

SwerveCity · 15/11/2024 06:42

Bet if they had chapped bleeding nipples or mastitis they wouldn’t want to do it.

YourFancyPlumFox · 15/11/2024 06:40

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/11/2024 06:30

BalletCat · 15/11/2024 00:26

I really don't see what's so difficult about it. Trans literally means different than/opposite to. Cis means same as. It's the same as cis and trans bonds we learn in chemistry at school.

Trans woman = woman who was not woman. Gone from man to woman. I.e. biological male.

Trans man = man who was not man at birth. Gone from woman to man. I.e. biological female.

It's such a simple concept I don't understand why people can't grasp it.

The opposite of a woman is a man, so I'm not sure that this language is as helpful as some people think in convincing us all that a trans woman is a woman.

If you are using the words "man" and "woman" in accordance with their original meanings, the way they have been used consistently for about a thousand years, a man is a male person and a woman is a female person. So a trans man would be a biologically male person who is trans, and a trans woman would be a biologically female person who is trans.

The word "cis" is completely meaningless to the vast majority of the population, who don't need it in their vocabulary. Stop trying to make "cis" happen.

RedHelenB · 15/11/2024 06:29

RadioBamboo · 14/11/2024 17:17

I don't think these policies with their awkward language and their deliberate obfuscation of sex are primarily about biological males wanting to pretend to breastfeed. They are about biological females actually breastfeeding but identifying as men and wanting to pretend they don't have breasts (hence "chestfeeding"). (Yes, I did read the article!)

Surely if you identify as a man, you don't put your body through the uniquely female pregnancy and birth.

GenerativeAIBot · 15/11/2024 06:25

BalletCat · 15/11/2024 00:54

Finally some sense.

Get your flame suit on though, trans women are despised on Mumsnet.

no. People here just recognise men, as men.

trans women - are men.

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GenerativeAIBot · 15/11/2024 06:24

izimbra · 15/11/2024 00:37

You're vastly more likely to die in a random car accident on your way to a breastfeeding cafe than tragically encounter a breastfeeding transgender woman at one, but don't let that stop you getting very very angry and scared at the hypothetical likelihood of it happening.

BiscuitBiscuit

One is too much. You apologist.

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Helleofabore · 15/11/2024 03:03

izimbra · 15/11/2024 00:37

You're vastly more likely to die in a random car accident on your way to a breastfeeding cafe than tragically encounter a breastfeeding transgender woman at one, but don't let that stop you getting very very angry and scared at the hypothetical likelihood of it happening.

BiscuitBiscuit

How many women do you feel is acceptable to you to be harmed by self excluding because policy allowed a male to join a breastfeeding group?

How many women do you feel is acceptable to be harmed before women are allowed to discuss the policy without being shamed by those who support the policy changes or just dismiss the significance of the changes?

Helleofabore · 15/11/2024 02:57

BalletCat · 15/11/2024 00:26

I really don't see what's so difficult about it. Trans literally means different than/opposite to. Cis means same as. It's the same as cis and trans bonds we learn in chemistry at school.

Trans woman = woman who was not woman. Gone from man to woman. I.e. biological male.

Trans man = man who was not man at birth. Gone from woman to man. I.e. biological female.

It's such a simple concept I don't understand why people can't grasp it.

Because, as was repeatedly highlighted by some posters declaring that two male boxers were ‘cis women’ because they were ‘assigned female at birth’, cis is actually meaningless in describing the unique needs of female people.

The language changes that one group of people has tried to coerce society into using to support their philosophical belief are changes that remove the ability to speak precisely and communicate clearly.

samarrange · 15/11/2024 01:05

BalletCat · 15/11/2024 00:26

I really don't see what's so difficult about it. Trans literally means different than/opposite to. Cis means same as. It's the same as cis and trans bonds we learn in chemistry at school.

Trans woman = woman who was not woman. Gone from man to woman. I.e. biological male.

Trans man = man who was not man at birth. Gone from woman to man. I.e. biological female.

It's such a simple concept I don't understand why people can't grasp it.

Because "trans man" contains "man", so you could imagine that it is "a man who has become trans". The word "trans" appears to be a qualification of "man", i.e., the basic category is "man" and this is a special kind of man, namely, one who lives as a woman. (Again, I know this is wrong, but I'm explaining the logic of the person who gets it wrong.) Compare "gay man", which communicates that this is a man who has a specific attribute.

I have taught myself to get it right, but I completely understand how people who don't discuss the topic much might not be sure which way round it goes.

BalletCat · 15/11/2024 00:54

izimbra · 15/11/2024 00:37

You're vastly more likely to die in a random car accident on your way to a breastfeeding cafe than tragically encounter a breastfeeding transgender woman at one, but don't let that stop you getting very very angry and scared at the hypothetical likelihood of it happening.

BiscuitBiscuit

Finally some sense.

Get your flame suit on though, trans women are despised on Mumsnet.

izimbra · 15/11/2024 00:37

You're vastly more likely to die in a random car accident on your way to a breastfeeding cafe than tragically encounter a breastfeeding transgender woman at one, but don't let that stop you getting very very angry and scared at the hypothetical likelihood of it happening.

BiscuitBiscuit