"chest feeding" men should not be put above women and babies by La Leche League. Reasonable?

Why would you defend men who want access to women's breastfeeding groups?

We've got to stop talking about 'trans people' like they're a monolith. There are many different types of people lurking under that umbrella.

Your only stance appears to be ‘you haven’t MET any transpeople, you don’t understand them’. We don’t have to. We need men to stay out of our spaces and sports.

Not only that when we have experience of trans people, even within our own families and express a different view Izimbra either downplays those opinions or doesn't come back to thread.

Since when are boundary pushing men an ‘tiny marginalised minority’?! Women’s rights to single sex spaces, including within the NHS is a massive issue for A LOT of women. You don’t get to decide whether it’s an issue or not.

You can’t answer the most basic of questions of how you think biological men should be allowed in women’s spaces and sports, you don’t seem to us stand the concept of basic safeguarding and why single sex spaces exist in the first place, and now you are defending men with fetishes. Slow handclap for you.

Your only stance appears to be ‘you haven’t MET any transpeople, you don’t understand them’. We don’t have to. We need men to stay out of our spaces and sports.

What I find boring and frankly bizarre is hanging about these boards spouting the same shite despite reasonable argument, points and evidence put to you. You offer nothing. Wash rinse repeat. Is that really the best use of your time?

I'm commenting on the cognitive dissonance one needs to be convinced they are not a biological female yet choose to gestate and feed an infant.

There are plenty of marginalised groups in society today who do not seem to merit the concessions which are applied to the trans community.

A very clever approach. I guess I just can't fathom how it worked so well. But yes, absolutely agree with everything you're saying

Cross posted.

True. But why didn't they? How did they become so intimidated?

The misogyny of the position of this poster has been mentioned before if I remember correctly.

I know I keep asking this, but can anyone shed further light on how we got here?

Misogyny, yes - and this is a particularly depraved version of it. Misogyny has always plagued our societies, yet even 10 years ago, this kind of behaviour would have been condemned as perversion. What changed?

Yes, they are. But the article linked to in the OP is about trans women inducing lactation so they can "breastfeed", and LLL's policy about that.

**This is not about trans men. Read the LLL website, it's also about males/ transwomen who want to breastfeed. Miriam Main did not resign because females want to chest feed!

This is from the LLL website.

^Trans women can use a protocol similar to adoptive and other non-gestational mothers and stimulate their milk supply: it is called the Newman-Goldfarb protocol. You can read more here https://laleche.org.uk/relactation-induced-lactation/ and here http://www.asklenore.info/breastfeeding/inducedlactation/protocols4print.shtml.^

@izimbra argument seems to come down to - perverts should be able to do as they please because women face a multitude of issues.

I don't even have works for how f*cked up that position is 😵‍💫

Trans men are female.

So you can't actually answer the question and you think men should be allowed to infiltrate women's spaces, without consent from women, simply because they want to.

Got it.

Just imagine holding women in the degree of contempt that you do. It's actually disgusting.

A better question is why organisations such as LLL, the NHS and so on are expending so much energy on this tiny minority (who are not actually marginalised in any meaningful sense of the word) at the expense of the majority?

Why do they need their own support?

I would have no issue attending the same breastfeeding support group as a trans man.

I just don't think it needs to be renamed "chestfeeding" and I don't want it to become all about the trans man and their identity. If they are only there to get help with feeding their baby then their identity doesn't need to be discussed at all. At most, all I need to do is remember to refer to the trans man as "he" if I need to refer to them in the third person during the support group, which I probably won't need to do.

Trans women shouldn't be in support groups for breastfeeding mothers because they are male, and they don't need their own support for breastfeeding because they shouldn't be attempting to breastfeed.

I've got no interest in listening to why a male wants to insert his nipple into a babies mouth for the purpose of excreting chemicals into the baby.

Because I don't want to indulge his fetish.

You can go right ahead with that.

You can minimise child abuse all you wish but most, right minded, people are appalled that this behaviour is condoned because only a tiny minority of males want to act out their fetish on babies.

I have to question how anyone can think that this is in any way acceptable.

But you do you.

Ok. And so because you, personally, have different priorities and women are not focusing enough on your personal priorities, you feel you should be able to shame them. That you can actively find time, hypocritically, to censure women for not believing in your personal beliefs and focusing on what you want?

Yes, we understand that you think the numbers of people in the population who are transgender are directly correlated to the significance of the issues we are discussing. The discussions you don’t like so shame others for having.

That belief that the issues are small in significance is as misinformed as your opinion has been that ‘most of us have never met or talked to a trans person’ (paraphrasing). Yet for something apparently so insignificant, you feel the need to enter threads with the sole purpose to shame others for discussing it.

"I think it must be incredibly hard bearing a child as a trans man, and probably extremely distressing. I'd imagine going to a class that called it "breastfeeding" would be the least of their worries"

The important phrase here that's doing a lot of heavy lifting is 'I imagine'.

Because nobody on this thread has any interest or experience in actually listening to transgender people, or listening to people that provide services for them.