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MariMiceMouse · 14/11/2024 07:43

I’m going to try keep this vague as I don’t want it to be identifying but here goes.

In my office there is a real mixed bag of privilege from Etonians to comp school in the north east, Oxbridge to ex polytechnics. In most instances it makes no difference at all.
We took on a graduate this year, she’s very privileged. Studied at a top uni, went to top private schools and international schools.
She seems to be very intelligent and has made some friends.
However there is a specific group who really don’t like her, she mentioned at drinks once that she was moving into her new flat, that to turned to where and asking to see etc. eventually it came out that it is a graduation gift and mortgage free - probably worth nearing 2 million for a 1.5 bed. Really puts into perspective the wealth we are talking about here.
She wears expensive designer clothes and accessories everyday which also irritates some people.
The conversation when she’s not around always seems to fall to how privileged she is.
There are maybe 4 people who seem to get on really well with her (ironically the youngest and furthest from that level of wealth).
Shes on my team and sits beside me, she’s actually really lovely, funny and so intelligent even about things that don’t relate to her job or degree.
It feels like a lot of the office are keen to see her fail and it’s making me feel quite bad for her.

AIBU to think it’s really poor for grown adults to be so cruel behind someone’s back just because they are from a different background.

OP posts:
Clarinet1 · 14/11/2024 11:54

I was just brought up that it’s very rude to quiz people on their financial situation. A phrase like “That’s for me to know and you to wonder” might be useful.

Witsnends · 14/11/2024 11:54

For those saying why would anyone in this situation work.
My sons gf is similar, she has a flat in Kensington gifted by her parents, her parents own a gorgeous house near Regent’s Park worth several millions. She works earning maybe 45/50k a year.

Her parents did own several companies at one point but cashed out and returned to salaried roles. Basically other than pensions all the money they have is in their properties. Her dad gives her a set amount each month to cover bills and to cushion her earnings but every time she earns more he takes some away and reduces his own hours. For sons GF working is needed. Might be the same for this girl.

CatchAllKate · 14/11/2024 11:51

@Lemonadeand This is a workplace not the local pub. Colleagues must be professional and fair to each other regardless of their personal opinions.

Hoppinggreen · 14/11/2024 11:47

Lemonadeand · 14/11/2024 10:39

She should probably keep quiet about that kind of privilege in the workplace, honestly. People are entitled to their opinions.

They are entitled to like her or dislike her based on her personality and actions, not her bank balance

MariMiceMouse · 14/11/2024 11:46

Marabousfy · 14/11/2024 11:41

OP - what industry do you work in? curious…

Asset and Wealth Management for HNWIs (Private Banking)

OP posts:
CatchAllKate · 14/11/2024 11:45

OP, I think you should have a gentle chat with her but also see if you can gather some people to stand up to this men. Maybe your line manager?
They know exactly what they're doing by needling her. Unfortunately 'talking about people behind their backs' and 'asking personal questions' won't warrant any HR action otherwise everyone would be hauled over the coal daily.

Marabousfy · 14/11/2024 11:41

OP - what industry do you work in? curious…

PurebredRacingUnicorn · 14/11/2024 11:40

Leopardlola · 14/11/2024 09:32

@MidnightBlossom I worked with someone who would take photos of handbags under desks while colleague was in the loo / meeting….and Google image search where it came from and would announce the price to the office (If it was high!)

Good heavens, what a tiny miserable life she must have.

CatchAllKate · 14/11/2024 11:40

User364837 · 14/11/2024 11:26

It sounds horrible for her
But sadly probably wise not to flaunt expensive clothes and accessories and be open about gifted very expensive flats. Shouldn’t be that way (inverted snobbery) but obviously it can lead to resentment and being “othered”

Am I the only one wondering, who are all these people not only looking so closely at what she's wearing, but can also recognise real designer wear? I mean, fakes are excellent these days
OP this is bullying.

@protectthesmallones She's isn't alienating her colleagues . It's a specific group of people that have a jealousy problem and are taking it out on here

Also, if you RTFT, these people are similarly privileged.

They might be using her to virtue signal about how woke etc they are. Just like all the anti private school parents on here who buy expensive houses in the catchment areas of good schools, give their kids house deposits and live a luxurious life. But like to claim that they value social mobility.

Marabousfy · 14/11/2024 11:39

FloreatEtona · 14/11/2024 11:14

@TarantinoIsAMisogynist , Eton is a town not a village.
I object to it being used as a derogatory term, or as a description of anyone educated at a private school.

Object away, but objecting to one of THE most famous private schools being used as an example of private schools is pretty ridiculous!
Would you prefer Rugby, or Roedean, or Brighton College, or St Paul’s?? How about Harrow or Winchester or Hill House or Cheltenham??

And as for Eton being used in a derogatory way - well, you can blame that on our former ETON educated PM and his mates who right royally screwed over the ordinary people of this country, made ‘privately educated’ a dirty phrase synonymous with ‘ bit thick, over privileged, over confident, self interested, out of touch, buffoons who have no idea what it’s like to earn your position and opportunities.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 14/11/2024 11:37

MidnightBlossom · 14/11/2024 09:32

equally, isn't there a truism that you shouldn't ask questions when you might not like the answer?

if she'd swanned in and airily announced that she was getting a free flat, then yeah, fair enough.

but if she says she's moving and then ends up being cross-questioned by people who want to know exactly where, and what it looks like, and how she can afford it and so on - that's on them, is it not?

We don’t know exactly who asked for or offered what information on this occasion . But if she isn’t being cross questioned she has a chance to steer the conversation away from her free flat.

MrsKwazi · 14/11/2024 11:36

This may be a distant relative’s daughter, same kind of setup.
What no one realises is that behind all that money is a lot of tragedy and insurance payments is basically where the wealth comes from. Her first class degree is her own making, no one could buy that for her. And she works because she wants to.
People are twats.

User364837 · 14/11/2024 11:26

It sounds horrible for her
But sadly probably wise not to flaunt expensive clothes and accessories and be open about gifted very expensive flats. Shouldn’t be that way (inverted snobbery) but obviously it can lead to resentment and being “othered”

Nothatgingerpirate · 14/11/2024 11:24

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 14/11/2024 11:15

Which makes you another person asking things that are none of your business. I hope you wouldn't ask that in real life!

😂
And I thought the OP put this thread in for interest.
I'm in a similar position and stopped working at 25, never met anyone who would actually want to.

Mosaic123 · 14/11/2024 11:20

She's just very lucky.
People can still be nice to her.

It sounds like she didn't show off but answered questions honestly.

Would the mean colleagues be happier if she had lied?

MariMiceMouse · 14/11/2024 11:16

Nothatgingerpirate · 14/11/2024 11:12

I'd have no problems with her privilege, it's obviously jealousy and anger from others.
My question would be, why does she need to work?
(Unless of course she wants to).

Could be lots of reasons, maybe she wants to, maybe her parents put conditions on what they will give her (such as having a job), maybe they have put all the money they have into nice properties so need to trust that she will earn for herself to continue that lifestyle.
From the conversations I’ve had with her I think she wants to and she told me more about her families situation, they sold their business so I don’t know for sure but I’d imagine that’s probably not an endless pot now.

OP posts:
TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 14/11/2024 11:15

Nothatgingerpirate · 14/11/2024 11:12

I'd have no problems with her privilege, it's obviously jealousy and anger from others.
My question would be, why does she need to work?
(Unless of course she wants to).

Which makes you another person asking things that are none of your business. I hope you wouldn't ask that in real life!

FloreatEtona · 14/11/2024 11:14

@TarantinoIsAMisogynist , Eton is a town not a village.
I object to it being used as a derogatory term, or as a description of anyone educated at a private school.

Marabousfy · 14/11/2024 11:12

ChiefEverythingOfficer · 14/11/2024 10:01

Aren't you a delight

Just stating facts. The tables are turning, all sorts of companies who previously courted the private school/Oxbridge/ I can afford to intern because mummy pays my rent types
have woken up to the fact that it really isn’t the way to get good, hardworking, smart employees who can relate to their clients. Unless you’re Coutts or Prada or similar.

Schemes are starting all over the corporate world and elsewhere to get high achieving school leavers and grads from lower socioeconomic backgrounds into position that would previously have only been for the privileged.
Now it’s people like OPs poor little rich girl who are being rejected. But being privileged she’ll be fine, there will be many other avenues open to her.

Nothatgingerpirate · 14/11/2024 11:12

I'd have no problems with her privilege, it's obviously jealousy and anger from others.
My question would be, why does she need to work?
(Unless of course she wants to).

protectthesmallones · 14/11/2024 11:07

I think inherited wealth is one of those things that can really divide people. However generous and genuinely lovely she is.

Even though people will now appear equal at work you can't know someone's past.

You'll have people on your team who may have gone without meals as children. May have been often cold. Probably didn't have a good coat at school and were bullied for not having the right uniform. They probably went without more than you know.

She has come from a life of absolute privilege and unless she's had exceptional parenting, she really won't have a clue.

She's probably never had to decide between eating or heating. She's unlikely to have ever had to rewear an outfit because she couldn't do laundry. She's unlikely to have declined an invitation because she's broke.

In my life I've have close friends who are both extremes.

I'm generalising a lot but knowing the Oxbridge crowd, she's the type that will go skiing in the winter and on white sandy beaches in the summer with. It won't occur to her that others might be saving hard for a package holiday somewhere.

If you can gently gently guide her, do. Because even if it's not going to improve her situation where you are, it will help her in life.

I think the word I'm looking for is being gracious. She's alienating her work colleagues without knowing why.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 14/11/2024 11:06

FloreatEtona · 14/11/2024 10:56

I queried the use of the term. As a comparison, 'Mancunian' and 'Old Mancunian' have different meanings.

Ah, so you thought people might have assumed that the OP was talking about people who'd come from the town of Eton, and wanted to ensure there was no misunderstanding?

Bollocks. Everyone understand what "Etonian" means, and nobody uses it to mean someone who comes from the town.

WildCats24 · 14/11/2024 11:00

MariMiceMouse · 14/11/2024 09:25

I was at the pub when it became apparent about her flat.
She mentioned casually she couldn’t stay out late as she was moving. People then asked lots of leading questions (can we see pictures, oh that’s lovely, oh where is it, which line will you be getting to work) then one of the guys said “ah you won’t be able to afford that on your salary” and she said oh my dad is helping me which was followed by “ah so daddy pays the mortgage, or is there no mortgage” - cue uncomfortable silence until she said.
I don’t think she meant to brag, she more or less got interrogated.

That guy is a dick. Who asks someone how they can afford a particular house “on their salary”?

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 14/11/2024 10:59

MargaretThursday · 14/11/2024 10:51

Not sure why you'd reach that conclusion.

Bullies don't move on because they don't get a reaction. They dig in harder, and try and get more people to join them

You are determined to make it her fault rather than the bullies? Why is that? What do you think that says about you?

I don't think it's her fault at all.

But I do think this is something she will need to learn from. She has a long life ahead of her, and will have to navigate many relationships with acquaintances and colleagues in the future - not all of whom will be nice people. Giving people a stick to beat you with isn't a good idea.

Right now, she's a naive fresh graduate. It won't take long before she is more guarded with people who, after all, are her colleagues, not her friends.

FloreatEtona · 14/11/2024 10:56

I queried the use of the term. As a comparison, 'Mancunian' and 'Old Mancunian' have different meanings.

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