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Daughter has changed her name

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Tresdesrth · 13/11/2024 16:41

My 15 y DD has requested to change her name at school to a boys name and is now trans she says. She is ASD and a few years behind her peers emotionally. The guidance teacher says they have to inform me but it’s up to the young person. Today is the first day of the name change and I am so tearful and also angry. My daughter doesn’t have a reason for this. She is bullied and a loner at school. I took her shopping over the weekend and she made a beeline for handbags and bows for her hair. We went to the mens sections and she wasn’t interested, I just followed her lead. I’m finding the whole thing confusing and bizarre. AIBU???

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pikkumyy77 · 13/11/2024 18:59

BodyKeepingScore · 13/11/2024 17:16

What you are describing is social transition, and the Cass report was very clear that this is not a neutral act

Not a neutral act doesn’t mean its negative. Could be positive.

Thepurplepig · 13/11/2024 18:58

Can you afford some private therapy Op? If so do it. My friends child has ASD and went through this.

I don’t want to go into too much detail but it was a desperate cry for attention in very similar circumstances to yours

abracabarbara · 13/11/2024 18:58

CatrionaBalfour · 13/11/2024 18:55

There's no need to tell me how education works. Really.

well, you didnt know what a guidance teacher was...

lifeturnsonadime · 13/11/2024 18:57

Gender ideology is a belief system no more no less.

Being gay has nothing in common with identifying as trans. One is tangible and is based on same sex attraction. The other is based on unidentifiable feelings in a persons head mostly deriving from sexist stereotypes.

Gay children are vulnerable to trans ideology, some parents have expressed that they would prefer a trans child to a gay child. That's horrific.

We now have heterosexual males identifying as lesbians leaving lesbian women with no single sex spaces, including dating cites. We have trans activists telling women that they are bigots if they won't include males in their dating pool.

Posters suggesting parents should exercise caution are not homophobic, nor are they bigoted.

Edited for obvious typo.

GenerativeAIBot · 13/11/2024 18:56

Borntorunfast · 13/11/2024 18:38

What a horrible and hateful post. So, anyone who's not straight or ND has "serious mental health problems"?

My child has autism. So do I. How dare you suggest we are mentally unwell, or that by listening to and supporting my child, seeking the professional help of CAMHS, seeking support from the school, and doing a huge amount of research that I am somehow irresponsible.

My girl is fine, thank you. She's bi. As in, she likes boys and she likes girls.

Would you tell my gay child it's all in her mind? No.

(Because that would be a hate crime.)

(I'm reporting your post for disability discrimination against an autistic poster and her child, and for your blatant homophobia towards a gay teenager.)

Also. Genuinely. No offence intended. Apologies for the bits required.

CatrionaBalfour · 13/11/2024 18:55

abracabarbara · 13/11/2024 18:52

Education is devolved.

There's no need to tell me how education works. Really.

Jeneregretterien9 · 13/11/2024 18:55

I don't want to appear flippant & I understand how upsetting this must be. The way things are going with teenage education in this respect I'd just be pleased she hasn't announced she now wants to be known as Fido. I feel so sorry for today's youngsters. I would ensure she goes for therapy via her GP as not surprisingly she sounds extremely confused. Regardless of whether she is trans or not (perfectly acceptable)it's far too early to announce name changes.

Borntorunfast · 13/11/2024 18:54

SophiaCohle · 13/11/2024 18:49

Deciding that they are bi suddenly is a position that susceptible youngsters are enouraged to take up by trans ideology influencers. Because being same sex attracted, which a lot of autistic teens who flirt with being trans are, relies on being able to identify not only what sex you are but what sex you're attracted to - in other words, relies on an admission that, at least in some situations, biological sex matters. It's an extremely coercive way to lead gender-questioning children further down the ideological path, and in many ways can be seen as homophobic in itself.

I didn't read the pp as saying your child had a mental health problem on account of either their autism or their sexual orientation btw, but because they seem delusional about what sex they are. It's not a particularly controversial position.

They didn't decide "suddenly". They first told me they were gay when they were EIGHT years old. Six years on and after a lot of exploring and conversations - yup, still gay. Guess why? Because it's not a fad, or magic fairy thinking, or an ideology, or forced on them, or a fake identity.

It's because - drum roll please - they're gay.

Rather than push my DD away by being as intransigent as you, I heard her, we talked (a lot), and all is well. If OP wants any kind of relationship with her DD I was simply recommending she do the same. She doesn't have to agree, she just has to be there for her kid. Long-term it's better for her and her DD. As it was for me and mine.

abracabarbara · 13/11/2024 18:52

CatrionaBalfour · 13/11/2024 18:06

I am going on DfE advice and policy of our Academy Trust.

Education is devolved.

Retiredfromthere · 13/11/2024 18:49

Borntorunfast · 13/11/2024 18:38

What a horrible and hateful post. So, anyone who's not straight or ND has "serious mental health problems"?

My child has autism. So do I. How dare you suggest we are mentally unwell, or that by listening to and supporting my child, seeking the professional help of CAMHS, seeking support from the school, and doing a huge amount of research that I am somehow irresponsible.

My girl is fine, thank you. She's bi. As in, she likes boys and she likes girls.

Would you tell my gay child it's all in her mind? No.

(Because that would be a hate crime.)

(I'm reporting your post for disability discrimination against an autistic poster and her child, and for your blatant homophobia towards a gay teenager.)

Um. Can you show me where the poster you are objecting to said anything which was anti-gay. The wording was strong and unsympathetic but saying that gender ideology is a belief system is accurate. Its NOT the same as sexual attraction which is based on facts/physical responses. Its based on internal feelings. Which may not reflect reality (hence the comparison made to anorexia) I hope that the moderators recognise that.

I do not feel that there is evidence of serious mental health issues in what the OP says. Not being happy with school and being autistic is not that uncommon a combination. Wanting to fit in if autistic does - my opinion - make children quite susceptible to being seduced by a promise that becoming the opposite sex may be a magic bullet solution. Thankfully evidence is now more commonly available that points to the many problems of following that path without support from neutral healthcare and mental health professionals. This has sadly not been what has been offered in the past. Hopefully Cass is paving the way to informed support for gender questioning children and young people. Rather than the affirmative 'transing away the gay' approach that the Tavistock was known for.

GenerativeAIBot · 13/11/2024 18:49

Borntorunfast · 13/11/2024 18:38

What a horrible and hateful post. So, anyone who's not straight or ND has "serious mental health problems"?

My child has autism. So do I. How dare you suggest we are mentally unwell, or that by listening to and supporting my child, seeking the professional help of CAMHS, seeking support from the school, and doing a huge amount of research that I am somehow irresponsible.

My girl is fine, thank you. She's bi. As in, she likes boys and she likes girls.

Would you tell my gay child it's all in her mind? No.

(Because that would be a hate crime.)

(I'm reporting your post for disability discrimination against an autistic poster and her child, and for your blatant homophobia towards a gay teenager.)

Gender identity is a belief. Homosexuality is not.

im also very ND. So is my son.

SophiaCohle · 13/11/2024 18:49

Borntorunfast · 13/11/2024 18:38

What a horrible and hateful post. So, anyone who's not straight or ND has "serious mental health problems"?

My child has autism. So do I. How dare you suggest we are mentally unwell, or that by listening to and supporting my child, seeking the professional help of CAMHS, seeking support from the school, and doing a huge amount of research that I am somehow irresponsible.

My girl is fine, thank you. She's bi. As in, she likes boys and she likes girls.

Would you tell my gay child it's all in her mind? No.

(Because that would be a hate crime.)

(I'm reporting your post for disability discrimination against an autistic poster and her child, and for your blatant homophobia towards a gay teenager.)

Deciding that they are bi suddenly is a position that susceptible youngsters are enouraged to take up by trans ideology influencers. Because being same sex attracted, which a lot of autistic teens who flirt with being trans are, relies on being able to identify not only what sex you are but what sex you're attracted to - in other words, relies on an admission that, at least in some situations, biological sex matters. It's an extremely coercive way to lead gender-questioning children further down the ideological path, and in many ways can be seen as homophobic in itself.

I didn't read the pp as saying your child had a mental health problem on account of either their autism or their sexual orientation btw, but because they seem delusional about what sex they are. It's not a particularly controversial position.

ICantTakeItNoMoreWantToDie · 13/11/2024 18:46

She may feel differently when she is 18 and old enough to do as she pleases. Why not wait until then?

Differentstarts · 13/11/2024 18:43

I do wonder if this is the modern goth phase. Their seems to be a lot of kids usually the outcasts/lonely ones who seem to suddenly want to do this. I'm guessing as a way to fit in with a group whether this is online or in person

AmateurNoun · 13/11/2024 18:39

I'd recommend the book "When Kids Say They're Trans: A Guide for Thoughtful Parents" by Stella O'Malley and others OP.

Borntorunfast · 13/11/2024 18:38

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What a horrible and hateful post. So, anyone who's not straight or ND has "serious mental health problems"?

My child has autism. So do I. How dare you suggest we are mentally unwell, or that by listening to and supporting my child, seeking the professional help of CAMHS, seeking support from the school, and doing a huge amount of research that I am somehow irresponsible.

My girl is fine, thank you. She's bi. As in, she likes boys and she likes girls.

Would you tell my gay child it's all in her mind? No.

(Because that would be a hate crime.)

(I'm reporting your post for disability discrimination against an autistic poster and her child, and for your blatant homophobia towards a gay teenager.)

StMarie4me · 13/11/2024 18:38

Thatcastlethere · 13/11/2024 16:51

It's OK. Just let her use whatever name she likes and go on her own journey. It's not like she's asking to have surgery or take hormones. It may just be something she wants to explore. I think just try and remain calm and don't overreact as it may spur her towards doing it as a rebellion.
She's still the same person she's just exploring her identity which a lot of people do in the teen years and always have. Just now there's all this new language for it. There's no need to react so strongly

Totally agree with this level headed advice OP.
After all, it could be class A drugs or inappropriate sexual behaviour. It's not. Sorry to just relax.

JolieFilleCommentCaVa · 13/11/2024 18:33

idkbroidk · 13/11/2024 17:23

respect his pronouns and call him by his name. otherwise, you run a high risk of alienating your son

For 15 years the OP has loved and known her child as her daughter.

This isn’t something for the OP to take lightly here. It isn’t as black and white as just “respecting someone’s pronouns”.

Secradonugh · 13/11/2024 18:32

pikkumyy77 · 13/11/2024 16:54

I am not anti trans and I don’t think the mumsnet assumption that ASD people don’t know what they are doing holds water.

But I don’t think you should worry so much that your dd is doing something irreversible or harmful by experimenting with her name/gender identification.

She has been bullied and feels unsafe/vulnerable at school. Maybe for her taking on a non binary or more masculine identity, or just aligning herself with other outsiders, feels like a good defensive posture?

Just support her as much as you can. If she wanted to be more femme and changed her name to tiffany would you be upset? Just treat the name/pronoun change matter of factly and see what happens. Its not a judgement on you.

Absolutely correct, in my opinion. It's very easy for a child to say, teenage girls are horrid, bullying little bitches, I'm not a bullying little bitch, therefore I'm not a girl., Of course it's not true, She's just a good kid, who's logic is based on her experience.

YellowAsteroid · 13/11/2024 18:32

The school should be absolutely working with you - not taking the lead on this. THe best advice is to follow the "watchful waiting" approach. If they are doing things with your daughter without your permission, they are overstepping the mark & may indeed be in breach of their safeguarding duties.

The Cass Report has quite a bit of research that "social transition" eg boy's name, male pronouns, is not neutral & can be harmful ultimately.

Have a look at the resources that Genspect offers, and you might find the discussions by psychotherapists Stella O'Malley & Sash Ayad on the Podcast, Gender: A Wider Lens.

Waitingfordoggo · 13/11/2024 18:26

potatocakesinprogress · 13/11/2024 17:23

reports and "neutral acts" are for politicians, not children.

I take it you don’t read reports either then (assuming you’re not a politician).

If a report came out about the effects of screen time on children’s learning, or the effects of UPF on children’s health, you wouldn’t expect parents to read it and consider its implications for their own child?

No one has suggested the OP get her child to read the Cass report.

SophiaCohle · 13/11/2024 18:23

Startinganew32 · 13/11/2024 18:14

Totally this. Those suggesting you read transgender trend and then ban her from the internet don’t have a clue. You need to listen to her and respect her. If she prefers a different name, don’t fight her on it. She needs to feel supported and safe. If it’s not the right route for her she will desist soon enough anyway. She’s not proposing anything that is irreversible or drastic. In less than a year she can make her own mind up about name change and can change it by deed poll. Honestly you’re fighting a losing battle and these teens with unsupportive parents dont suddenly realise that the parents were the voice of sanity - they tend to become estranged instead.

No, it's the other way round. No one is saying ban her from the internet, which isn't practical in this day and age. But OP needs to familiarise herself with what her DD is undoubtedly reading, and who she's most likely chatting to, and gain an understanding of their agenda so that she and her child can then discuss it. Estrangement is something that is pushed by these predators. OP can't counter it if she doesn't understand what she's dealing with. DCs, especially autistic ones, lack the critical faculties to understand that they're being groomed into a way of thinking that is based on ideology rather than reality.

Startinganew32 · 13/11/2024 18:18

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Yeah helpful. The poster says her child has ASC so not serious mental health problems. She said she listened to them which all parent should do and supported them.

Would you tell your anorexic child they were fat? No but I wouldn’t say “just eat something” as a response either. I’d listen and try to be supportive while also getting help for them. Also anorexics aren’t totally delusional as to what their body looks like - that’s a myth. They largely know how much they weigh and that they are incredibly underweight.

SophiaCohle · 13/11/2024 18:15

Kneebonefuture · 13/11/2024 18:03

Either they are trans or they aren't. Either way it'll work its way out in the end.

Just make sure you support them, or it might not be forgotten.

What does this even mean? You seem to be saying that there's no one out there influencing confused young, mostly autistic people to identify as trans against their best interests, which I know for a fact is definitely happening. You also seem to be saying it does no harm, which is also untrue. And you also seem to be saying the only way to support a child is to agree that everything they are saying is true and correct, even if you think actually they would benefit from thinking about and discussing further what they've somehow come to believe about themselves. How is this parenting?

trinity8 · 13/11/2024 18:14

First time I’ve ever replied but really wanted to give you my experience.

My 18 year old Came out as trans aged 13 - told me they were now a boy changed their name and insisted as soon as they were 18 they wanted the hormones and surgery.

we just supported them and went along with it. Fast forward to now, they still identify as he/him but have decided that’s as far as they want to take it. They predominantly wear jeans and t shirts but wear makeup and dresses sometimes.

I also have a 16 year old who at 14 told me they were a girl but refuses to wear girls clothes and is happy to be called their given name.

both are autistic but my younger child has other physical disabilities which never bothered them until they hit puberty.