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Daughter has changed her name

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Tresdesrth · 13/11/2024 16:41

My 15 y DD has requested to change her name at school to a boys name and is now trans she says. She is ASD and a few years behind her peers emotionally. The guidance teacher says they have to inform me but it’s up to the young person. Today is the first day of the name change and I am so tearful and also angry. My daughter doesn’t have a reason for this. She is bullied and a loner at school. I took her shopping over the weekend and she made a beeline for handbags and bows for her hair. We went to the mens sections and she wasn’t interested, I just followed her lead. I’m finding the whole thing confusing and bizarre. AIBU???

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Kneebonefuture · 15/11/2024 18:05

SophiaCohle · 13/11/2024 18:15

What does this even mean? You seem to be saying that there's no one out there influencing confused young, mostly autistic people to identify as trans against their best interests, which I know for a fact is definitely happening. You also seem to be saying it does no harm, which is also untrue. And you also seem to be saying the only way to support a child is to agree that everything they are saying is true and correct, even if you think actually they would benefit from thinking about and discussing further what they've somehow come to believe about themselves. How is this parenting?

No I don't think there's anyone out there influencing young minds regarding their gender or their sexuality. If that was possible, then why aren't you as outraged at children being influenced into hiding their trans self?

Please provide sources for your claim "you know for a fact is definitely happening"

You've clearly got very poor reading comprehension and have just assumed most things you have said.

LilyBartsHatShop · 15/11/2024 08:42

Sawlt · 13/11/2024 19:52

Do you know anything about the counselor? Like their qualifications? Or their guidelines - like a list that tells them what to do in a given situation?
I feel strongly that school is for education, not taking away my parenting.

I would be unhappy to know that they have had a series of meetings and now you are advised as a final decision. I would have wanted to know at an early stage because I’m a good mum … do you think counseling advice was “don’t tell your mum”. ?

What else will she or counselor keep from you.

When I was at school there was a maths teacher proseletising evangelical Christianity to students.
One of his students converted undr his guidance.
I cannot see how this is any differwnt.

GenerativeAIBot · 15/11/2024 06:23

Jeneregretterien9 · 14/11/2024 22:22

The poor child is possibly being groomed or at the very least given her ND status easily led. Teachers seem to be expected to pander to a child's every whim nowadays without the professional intervention to deem whether it's appropriate. I mentioned in a pp & tongue in cheek at least OPs daughter didn't announce to her school her new name is Fido & she should be allowed to bark without question when she feels like it. Little did I realise this could actually happen without any intervention regarding her mental state.

In years to come this child may indeed transition to become male. To do this without years of professional help is diabolical given what she would have to go through mentally & physically.

@Tresdesrth - check the phone. Every message app. Every photo. Every file.

ShinyOtter · 14/11/2024 22:25

Jeneregretterien9 · 14/11/2024 22:22

The poor child is possibly being groomed or at the very least given her ND status easily led. Teachers seem to be expected to pander to a child's every whim nowadays without the professional intervention to deem whether it's appropriate. I mentioned in a pp & tongue in cheek at least OPs daughter didn't announce to her school her new name is Fido & she should be allowed to bark without question when she feels like it. Little did I realise this could actually happen without any intervention regarding her mental state.

In years to come this child may indeed transition to become male. To do this without years of professional help is diabolical given what she would have to go through mentally & physically.

Absolutely. It's horrific and really frightening how little authority parents are allowed these days to protect their children . It seems many children need protecting from school.

Jeneregretterien9 · 14/11/2024 22:22

CowboyJoanna · 13/11/2024 20:44

YANBU

Sit your daughter down and have a talk to her about puberty, its normal to feel uncomfortable with having periods. Just because other girls are having periods and wearing makeup doesnt mean shes any less of a girl. And just because other girls are bullying her doesnt mean she has to bow down to it.

Also monitor her internet access, look at her online activites and phones. Autistic teenagers are still toddlers in the mind, and lot more susceptible to online grooming and peer pressure than 'normal' teenagers (who are impressionable in themselves)

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The poor child is possibly being groomed or at the very least given her ND status easily led. Teachers seem to be expected to pander to a child's every whim nowadays without the professional intervention to deem whether it's appropriate. I mentioned in a pp & tongue in cheek at least OPs daughter didn't announce to her school her new name is Fido & she should be allowed to bark without question when she feels like it. Little did I realise this could actually happen without any intervention regarding her mental state.

In years to come this child may indeed transition to become male. To do this without years of professional help is diabolical given what she would have to go through mentally & physically.

Pelagi · 14/11/2024 09:14

I have only skimmed the whole thread, sorry, but I have sympathy with this incredibly difficult situation. It’s like walking on eggshells.
I don’t want to be alarmist but it is astonishing how easy it is for a just-18 year old, who has saved up a few hundred pounds eg from a Saturday job, to get themselves a hormone prescription from some unregulated online business like GenderGP and then go to the NHS for “shared care” and get some cavalier GP who doesn’t want to take any responsibility to continue prescribing it with no investigation whatsoever. And just-18 is hardly a mature adult.

twentysevendresses · 14/11/2024 07:39

idkbroidk · 13/11/2024 17:23

respect his pronouns and call him by his name. otherwise, you run a high risk of alienating your son

She has a daughter, who I assume she respects very much!

Name5 · 14/11/2024 07:18

I'm going to second the FE college option. It's less restrictive. No uniform and a lighter hand. I wish I had done it with my DD. My daughter had four secondary schools (one a sixth form due to her favourite only going to 16). She was desparely unhappy in one and two.
Not Fine in School (website and FB) is a great resource. They helped me enormously. It has to be your daughter's choice. Go visit a few alternatives. The online community is where danger lies. There are some sick people out there. Mine was targeted to speak at rallies. They wanted a university mouth piece. She's very shy so not a chance of that.
Lots of DC grow out of trans belonging. It is waining especially with the publication of Cass. My daughter knows we love her. I say to her 'you can call yourself Fred but your birth name is precious to me, so I'm sticking to that. I also say you'll be a great mother so you need all your bits and it's unfair to ask for medical proceedures when we can't afford cancer care for others. Simple logic. I've stuck at it. And you know what, my DD has never changed her name. She's had the paperwork and never did it.
Remember also that teachers were told that if they used the wrong pronoun they could be disciplined. Some have lost their jobs in the last few years. Stonewall has a lot to answer for.

GenerativeAIBot · 14/11/2024 06:26

CowboyJoanna · 13/11/2024 20:44

YANBU

Sit your daughter down and have a talk to her about puberty, its normal to feel uncomfortable with having periods. Just because other girls are having periods and wearing makeup doesnt mean shes any less of a girl. And just because other girls are bullying her doesnt mean she has to bow down to it.

Also monitor her internet access, look at her online activites and phones. Autistic teenagers are still toddlers in the mind, and lot more susceptible to online grooming and peer pressure than 'normal' teenagers (who are impressionable in themselves)

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This. Take the phone. Look through every single conversation in detail. Don’t say you’re going to do it. Just do it.

I found out some things that were essentially grooming.

QueenBitch666 · 13/11/2024 23:35

idkbroidk · 13/11/2024 17:23

respect his pronouns and call him by his name. otherwise, you run a high risk of alienating your son

🙄

QueenBitch666 · 13/11/2024 23:34

Gender : A wider lens is a good podcast resource

ICantTakeItNoMoreWantToDie · 13/11/2024 21:33

Franjipanl8r · 13/11/2024 21:03

She is bullied and a loner at school

This is the issue you should be fighting to improve. You say it as if being bullied is somehow inevitable. Maybe it’s time she tried to change school.

It's concerning that this poor lass is being bullied and school sound like they doing sweet FA about it.

Franjipanl8r · 13/11/2024 21:03

She is bullied and a loner at school

This is the issue you should be fighting to improve. You say it as if being bullied is somehow inevitable. Maybe it’s time she tried to change school.

ICantTakeItNoMoreWantToDie · 13/11/2024 20:58

No harm in waiting this out. There isn't a need to rush into anything, majority of people who struggle with their gender don't feel the same way as adults . Just love her and listen to her through this difficult time. Build up her self worth.

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CowboyJoanna · 13/11/2024 20:44

YANBU

Sit your daughter down and have a talk to her about puberty, its normal to feel uncomfortable with having periods. Just because other girls are having periods and wearing makeup doesnt mean shes any less of a girl. And just because other girls are bullying her doesnt mean she has to bow down to it.

Also monitor her internet access, look at her online activites and phones. Autistic teenagers are still toddlers in the mind, and lot more susceptible to online grooming and peer pressure than 'normal' teenagers (who are impressionable in themselves)

CautiousLurker1 · 13/11/2024 20:43

ThatRareUmberJoker · 13/11/2024 20:30

She wants her parents to continue using her birth name. I don't think it's wise to get into legally changing names just yet. She's going through a rough time at school and feels different because of the bullying. She needs a tight hand hold until when she is mature.

Yes, that was kind of my point - that the name change at school should not have happened. The parents have not agreed to a name change so the school should be using any name other than what the parents have entered onto registration forms with the LEA/school.

Changing a child’s name will not address bullying - the school needs to step up and sort the bullying out, the pastoral care team should be on board, and if the school is not being effective then the board of governors/trustees need to be notified and complaint procedures instigated. Affirming a transgender identity is not the solution.

And I say that as the mother of a bullied, autistic child who identified as trans for 7 years. Allowing others to affirm my child did not help, though the tight hand hold we gave her and the refusal to allow further indoctrination did ensure she could not go any further down the transitioning road, unlike a friend’s daughter who at 19 has already surgically transitioned (courtesy of the NHS) despite considerable complex mental health needs.

JolieFilleCommentCaVa · 13/11/2024 20:41

BillPurchase · 13/11/2024 20:03

Stop being so woke and tell them to grow up.

What a helpful response. 🙄

HundredAcreOwl · 13/11/2024 20:34

Tresdesrth · 13/11/2024 19:40

I haven’t read all the replies yet.
DD wants the school to call her by the new name but told me and my partner to call her by her old name.
We do everything we can to help with her social
situation, bullying etc. Bar removing her from school which we can’t financially afford. I’m in touch with her guidance teacher all the time and she she takes part in singing and volunteering outside of school. We also take her walking, camping, canoeing as much as possible and it all seems to fade away.
Of course I’m not angry with her, I realise she needs to find her tribe and this is her way of trying to do that, I’m more angry that this seems to be rammed down kids throats from a very young age and some kids, especially ASD, take it all so literally and feel they need to get a label.
Its a strange thing to be navigating, especially when if you say anything you’re often instantly ‘transphobic’.
Im not, I don’t care what individuals do whatever, they’re still the same person.
oh, and similar to another posters experience, my daughter has been a wolf, gay, bi, straight, and a ghost whisperer.

I think you are handling it perfectly, following her lead. 15 is a difficult enough age anyway. I also think that as she wants her usual name used at home, she's perhaps more continuing to try to find her tribe, as you say, than certain she's found it. It wasn't as a wolf or ghost whisperer, may not be as trans. Wishing you all so very well.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 13/11/2024 20:30

CautiousLurker1 · 13/11/2024 20:17

Sorry - yes, I realise it is 16 after all. We did it at 13/14, so I misremembered!

However, if OP’s DD is under 16, the rest of my comments stands.

She wants her parents to continue using her birth name. I don't think it's wise to get into legally changing names just yet. She's going through a rough time at school and feels different because of the bullying. She needs a tight hand hold until when she is mature.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 13/11/2024 20:22

Does your local college cater for 14-16 year olds? You can put her in college she might prefer it in there. They teach them three days a week. Two days will cover English, maths and PSHE lesson. One day is subject that they want to do business, animal care, IT, beauty and some other courses they may offer. That might be worth looking into it's pointless keeping her there if it's making her miserable to the point where she has to see someone. She will mature but not in that settling you have to create a new path for her if you can.

Jeneregretterien9 · 13/11/2024 20:21

Jeneregretterien9 · 13/11/2024 19:55

With all due respect this child would insist on being called her ' boy' name at home if this was a serious attempt at transition. The girl is ND & first & foremost professionals need to ascertain whether this is reality or as other posters have stressed a means to fit into anywhere she feels accepted due to being bullied. The school should be absolutely ashamed of themselves encouraging something so serious which at this early stage has not been proven.

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Also Teachers are not qualified to decide if it's appropriate for a child to change their identity & name at school. According to OP the school are agreeing to go ahead with the child's wishes regarding her name. In that case if a pupil turns up with a tatoo of a knife on his arm & subsequently expresses a wish to be known as slasher the school would accept it. After all it's their choice & this should be respected. I am 100% in support of young people who suffer in the wrong body but transitioning shouldn't be taken lightly. It requires a huge amount of professional intervention. It's not just a fashion to be toyed with on a whim.

CautiousLurker1 · 13/11/2024 20:17

MyrtleStrumpet · 13/11/2024 20:02

She cannot enact a deed poll herself until she is 18 (although you, as her parents, can do a deed poll for minors, but it has to be signed by both parents and witnessed by 2 3rd parties, which we stupidly did causing untold bloody hassle every since).

She can legally change her name at 16 unless she's subject to a court order around parental residence.

Sorry - yes, I realise it is 16 after all. We did it at 13/14, so I misremembered!

However, if OP’s DD is under 16, the rest of my comments stands.

Name5 · 13/11/2024 20:11

Hello OP,
There is a board for parents of LGBTQ children.
FWR is not the right place for trans identifying DC. However I do acknowledge there are a number of experienced parents on that board who have been where you are.

My DD indentified as FTM at 14. It was heartbreaking for the family. However I know for certain the bullying she suffered at school made her seek out support on line. My DD is not ND but super geeky. She didn't fit in. We eventually found a school with zero tolerance of bullying. It made all the difference.
Eight years on I have a very different gender non conforning daughter. She still uses a boys name at uni and with her friends but not with us.
I told her I would never facilitate surgery (she wanted me to pay) and that I thought she was a beautiful person inside and out even if she needed to call herself 'Fred'. We have many family members who are ND including my brother, my late mum and my DDs cousins. Acceptance is getting easier.
Please read everything you can on trans ideology. Be vigilant. Clothes and names don't matter.

Helleofabore · 13/11/2024 20:06

Jeneregretterien9 · 13/11/2024 19:55

With all due respect this child would insist on being called her ' boy' name at home if this was a serious attempt at transition. The girl is ND & first & foremost professionals need to ascertain whether this is reality or as other posters have stressed a means to fit into anywhere she feels accepted due to being bullied. The school should be absolutely ashamed of themselves encouraging something so serious which at this early stage has not been proven.

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And I, personally, found that it was very useful to get ahead of the situation and while keeping calm and being supportive, I found that knowing as much as I could allowed me to do that much better.

It didn’t matter whether I even needed the knowledge for my child, I also then found it really helpful when out of the friend group of 7, 5 of those friends declared trans identities.

Actually, just reading your post again, have you ever read the Bayswater Support pages?

Perhaps you are thinking I am recommending they contact organisations such as Mermaids? Which I would fully recommend OP avoiding completely.

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