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Wrap around care for those who don't work??

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Raisinsandweetabix · 13/11/2024 16:34

Free breakfast clubs, afterschool clubs. Why would you need this if you are at home all day anyway? Another kick in the teeth to working parents. Obviously not including those in dire need of this care.

OP posts:
lasagnelle · 13/11/2024 19:54

lasagnelle · 13/11/2024 19:54

It's to give the kids a break from their parents

That wasn't meant to sound rude sorry! It's to give them a break from what they know and develop interests outside the home

AlexP24 · 13/11/2024 19:54

Agree OP - I don't work as a stay at home mum - but we don't get child benefit (fair enough) as my husband earns over 50k, yet know people who earn nearly 100k as a couple and get it. All skewed isn't it?

lasagnelle · 13/11/2024 19:54

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 13/11/2024 19:53

I never understood why people who don’t work should get free childcare if they’re just at home all day doing nothing. Then I started working in social services and thought ‘ah’. Like you say, it’s about providing a safe space for the child more than giving the parents a break in a lot of cases

It's to give the kids a break from their parents

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 13/11/2024 19:53

NoProbLlamaa · 13/11/2024 16:36

I mostly with you, after years of child care bills and wrap about need.

We have to remember that some children from deprived homes are in need of a safe, warm space and a good meal. It’s for their sake, not the parents

I never understood why people who don’t work should get free childcare if they’re just at home all day doing nothing. Then I started working in social services and thought ‘ah’. Like you say, it’s about providing a safe space for the child more than giving the parents a break in a lot of cases

30percent · 13/11/2024 19:51

CurlyhairedAssassin · 13/11/2024 19:10

I know, the transitional protection thing makes me laugh. Half of our families on FSM swan in to pick up their holiday food supermarket vouchers saying things like "thought I'd come in today to pick these up as the kids won't be in tomorrow, we're flying to Turkey" etc.

Most of these families are ex teen mum's/dad's. Our first born son gets free school meals until he finishes year 6 because we were in a bad situation financially when he was in reception now we've worked our butts off to get where we are now our younger children won't get free school meals. I understand it's still frustrating for older parents who also work their butts off TBF but that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
Funny how everyone on their internet wants to talk about how everyone under 21 is a sweet innocent ball of fluff until it comes to hating on teen mum's/dads, in fact I shouldn't of bothered typing this comment because someone will probably use it to say we plotted at 15 to have a child just for the free primary school meals.

FlyingPandas · 13/11/2024 19:50

Agree with PP about the logistical issues not having been thought through, and I've written similar on previous threads (work in school admin so see the challenges first hand).

It's a great idea. In theory. Should benefit disadvantaged children and families for whom life is difficult, chaotic and stressful. Children for whom life will probably always be hard, for whom the playing field will never be level, children who - with the best will in the world - are never going to have the life chances that others will have. In all honesty a child whose parents 'have never worked a day in their lives' or who manage to 'game the system', as some posters have described, or 'pick up their freebie vouchers early so they can go on holiday'..you know what, that child is still disadvantaged. They still have feckless parents making poor life choices and who are therefore poor role models. They will still never have the life chances others will have.

The idea of free wraparound should, in theory, ideally also benefit families who are functional and capable and setting a good example to their children but who are struggling for any number of reasons.

But. But. But.

No-one has thought through the logistics. Or the impact on schools who are already haemorrhaging staff.

Where will they take place? No school will have a hall big enough, and no teacher is going to want a breakfast club trashing their classroom (and yes they will get trashed).

Who will co-ordinate the food buying?

The food storage?

The day to day logistics?

The food service?

The cleaning up? (Ever seen a school dining hall after a typical lunch period? Believe me sometimes the mess needs to be seen to be believed).

And that's before you even try to find staff to actually run them, manage behaviour, deal with health and safety and safeguarding issues and so on....

Everyone WANTS wraparound care but no-one wants to WORK in wraparound care.

With all the good intentions in the world, this isn't going to work.

malificent7 · 13/11/2024 19:49

Quit work and go on benefits then op but be sure to divorce your dh too so that you qualify. Extra points if you develop an alchohol/ drug addiction.

whydoihavetowork · 13/11/2024 19:48

Scottishskifun · 13/11/2024 19:04

OP your missing the major bigger picture here which posters have pointed out.
Children getting support and a decent breakfast has been shown to improve focus, learning ability etc.
Anything which helps break that cycle is only a good thing!

Both DH and I work, would happily give a place to a child at breakfast club if that meant the child had breakfast, could focus and it potentially reduced classroom disruption and more learning for all.

Would you give that place up if it meant your child lost their place and you couldn't get to work??

This is the thing. Where are the places? Who supervises? Who does the food? Schools already struggle to get/keep staff. It's just foisting more responsibility on the school. And if that doesn't work it gets offloaded to the private sector and then fuck knows what you end up with or where. Breakfast club yes it's half a mile down the road and allow half an hour to walk in between...

stichguru · 13/11/2024 19:46

Not your business. Not your problem.

Goscat · 13/11/2024 19:40

DelicateSoundOfEchos · 13/11/2024 19:34

But it isn't about childcare. It's about equitable opportunities for the children.

Frankly, you chose to have children so childcare is your obligation.

Shouldn't the same be said for non working parents? I just don't think it'd right that the spaces are PRIORITISED for non-working, which in my council they are.

I'll pay!! I just need a space!!

SunQueen24 · 13/11/2024 19:40

It is a bit of a kick in the teeth and it can feel frustrating seeing something given when you have to pay for it or forego the luxury. BUT I can overlook that if it means kids who wouldn’t otherwise get breakfast are starting school with full tummies and not hungry.

MurdoMunro · 13/11/2024 19:39

Blimey, I have seen many definitions of ‘woke’ @Raisinsandweetabix but that’s a new one for my list.

I’m not playing devils advocate. I am responding to your posts either with my own alternate opinion or with facetiousness.

I am not cowed by being called woke, go ahead, I have my own definition of what it means and it’s not the same as your’s.

I don’t have any champagne in the house, but I’d love a glass, thanks. Now, what about that Trotsky lad eh, he was a bit on a chancer. He’d have his kids down the breakfast club before the red flag was half way up the mast.

Lifeglowup · 13/11/2024 19:39

Raisinsandweetabix · 13/11/2024 17:04

And here is the reason why. My (estranged) SIL. 6 kids. Very chaotic home life granted. Never ever worked a day in her life. Yet she has the time to do a weekly bonus ball syndicate online. Chasing people for money. Constantly shop for birthday/ Christmas presents. Drinks most weekends, holidays to benidorm. Slag's off the schools constantly on social media (happy to accept their childcare) and yet us MUGS are working our arses off, and have no free time.

It’s very obvious from your update that these children would benifit from
less time at home and professional childcare as well as ensuring they get fed.

Sirzy · 13/11/2024 19:38

Raisinsandweetabix · 13/11/2024 19:30

So many of you using this thread to show boat your woke champagne socialist views! Interesting how a few teachers have different opinions...

No many people, including school staff, simply want every child to have the best chance of achieving in life.

The impact of coming to school hungry is well known. If providing a universal free breakfast means that those children who don’t get breakfast do (and with no stigma attached) then brilliant.

If we want to try to reduce social inequality we need to start by making sure children are able to access education ready to learn.

suburburban · 13/11/2024 19:36

@DelicateSoundOfEchos

So doesn't that apply to the people who don't work. They chose to have their dc?

DancingTurtle · 13/11/2024 19:36

Giving it to all children doesn't take anything away from you, but gives those who are statistically less likely to thrive and achieve a bit of a boost.
If you envy your SIL so much, quit your job and live her lifestyle.

This.

Wonderi · 13/11/2024 19:35

Raisinsandweetabix · 13/11/2024 19:30

So many of you using this thread to show boat your woke champagne socialist views! Interesting how a few teachers have different opinions...

Where is the dad?

DancingTurtle · 13/11/2024 19:34

Typical scarcity mindset on show here. It’s not a race to the bottom OP.

Raisinsandweetabix · 13/11/2024 19:34

MurdoMunro · 13/11/2024 19:32

Tell me what ‘woke’ means to you so I can frame my response.

Constantly playing devils advocate for the wrongs in society no one dares to challenge

OP posts:
DelicateSoundOfEchos · 13/11/2024 19:34

suburburban · 13/11/2024 19:27

I think they should prioritise working parents as they need the facility. Then if there places left over

But it isn't about childcare. It's about equitable opportunities for the children.

Frankly, you chose to have children so childcare is your obligation.

SoiledMyselfDuringSomeTurbulence · 13/11/2024 19:33

As a working parent, I don't feel slapped in the face by this.

But like a pp, I wonder how they're going to be staffed. Schools already can't get teachers or TAs.

Goscat · 13/11/2024 19:33

Yesiknowdear · 13/11/2024 19:27

That's the way a lot of disadvantaged kids will be fed.
Sorry but I can't get het uo about it. I think it's a good way of ensuring that children who need it are given it. Not that poverty means parents will prioritise themselves, but it does happen sometimes, and it stops people from moaning that it's another handout that can be abused by Sarah down the road.

I think free breakfast is an amazing initiative, but I feel like it could be incorporated as part of the school day. It's the actual extra hours of care that get me. I'm not after free food, but I desperately need my work day covered care wise. I don't even mind paying! But there's literally no spaces in our council as they're all allocated to non-working as priority. I think the two things should be separated.

DelicateSoundOfEchos · 13/11/2024 19:32

What a bizarre stance. You sound appalling. I'm all for providing enrichment and nutrition to children. Not a single issue with it whatsoever. Giving it to all children doesn't take anything away from you, but gives those who are statistically less likely to thrive and achieve a bit of a boost.

If you envy your SIL so much, quit your job and live her lifestyle.

MurdoMunro · 13/11/2024 19:32

Raisinsandweetabix · 13/11/2024 19:30

So many of you using this thread to show boat your woke champagne socialist views! Interesting how a few teachers have different opinions...

Tell me what ‘woke’ means to you so I can frame my response.

ReggaetonLente · 13/11/2024 19:31

Namechangedagain20 · 13/11/2024 18:55

This isn’t true. 15 free hours are universally available to 3 and 4 year olds and 2 year olds in households with certain benefits.

30 hours are available for 3 and 4 year olds when both parents are working, you need to apply for a code.

We are above the income threshold for 30 hours. But thank you anyway.

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