Wrap around care for those who don't work??

I also receive some UC but not entitled to FSM.

My problem is why should people who get FSM then get holiday activities free as well?

It’s a great idea…as long as those who NEED breakfast club to get to work (in order to look after other people’s children, for example) can still get a place rather than those who just want use it because it’s suddenly free.

I chose where to send my child to school based on my need for wrap around care, if that suddenly becomes unavailable because people who don’t actually need it suddenly start using it won’t be able to work.

And good luck finding the staff. It’s like the extra 6,500 teachers they’ve promised- they can’t fill all the vacancies they’ve currently got, never mind another load extra!!

Im mostly with you with free child care. It's so expensive.

However the brushing teeth thing is because nearly every dentist is going private. And very few people can get an NHS dentist. Schools and pre schools have signed up to this program to make sure they can also help keep an eye on teeth and help keep them healthy. Teeth can go wrong very quickly and they want the best for children. It's very sad, it's not pathetic.

I brush my son's teeth twice a day and we have an NHS dentist for now. But he is still signed up to this program because I want him to have the best start in life.

Once we were on holiday and he complained his teeth hurt, I tried to get in contact with a dentist they wanted to charge £75. He's three years old and they wanted to charge that much. I ended up driving 3 hours home to make sure he could be seen by our NHS dentist. Turned out his tooth hadn't fully cut through.

Are you sure you're not entitled to something? That doesn't sound right

If everyone has to pay the same or everyone is getting it free then it’s all fine and good for the kids
However if working parents have to pay when others don’t then no it’s not fare as working parents don’t have a choice other than, to give up work.

I’m smelling poo. These six kids with the holiday going benefits addled SIL, no father/s, an auntie who doesn’t appear to think that if the nanny state doesn’t teach them how to clean their teeths then she’s next up for the job but who never the less exemplify a broken nanny state where good wholesome working people are only excluded from childcare because it’s all been handed on a big gold plate to lazy conniving arses and not in any way to do with systemic failures not addressed by employers, government or the goddam patriarchy (woke) while socialists sit back and quaff champagne may not be actual sentient beings.

Many many parents whose children are entitled to free school meals also work! I'm one of them. It's a legacy benefit, and if they were entitled to free school meals before a certain date they will remain so.

I wonder, when people write posts like this, if they ever think of the actual kids they’re talking about. The real, flesh and blood, kids. Just like theirs. But less fortunate. Is this the society we’ve become? Where we’d rather kids suffered, so that we “hard working folk” can feel like we’ve got a better piece of the pie?

for fucks sake.

It's for the good of all children, op, regardless of circumstances. I support it. There should be no questions asked and no need for resentment, surely.

It's enough to make anyone frustrated

OP your family member with 6 kids will be forced to get a job once her youngest child is aged 5. It used to be for 16 hours now it's 25 hours a week job. Her Universal credit payment will be sanctioned by the job centre if she doesn't comply, they will make her attend regular appointments, it's not easy at all & they aren't nice about it! Good luck to her

Because I think it should be either everyone pays or nobody pays.

I think it’s because working parents have to pay for the childcare, and non working get it for free! This is the case in my sons school anyway

If my few pence a day or whatever it adds up to as a contribution to this initiative gets children to school with a bit of food in their bellies on time then I'm happy to pay, if it's a problem I'll throw your few pence in too.
Children today are our work force of tomorrow.

I feel for you, but it sounds like her kids could do with some decent food and care from a decent adult role model, in orderly and peaceful surroundings.

On a previous thread, someone suggested the classrooms, but surely that's impractical with transporting the food, having the mess in the classroom and clearing it away and surely teachers use them to prepare before the children arrive??

Exactly-I’m in my classroom setting up from 7.30am as are most teachers in my school. having loads of children eating, talking and and playing in my room for over an hour whilst I’m doing this would just not be possible.

Many of my class resources and toys for my Y1 class are also MINE-acquired over the years from shops/my own children/donations and my class are trained up in how to look after our lovely things. I’ve seen the mess that breakfast club is left in-toys broken, mixed up, not looked after and I don’t want that to happen to my things!

To qualify for FSM you have to be claiming Universal Credit with a household income of less than £7,400 a year. How is that ‘gaming the system’?

Ahaha

Breakfast clubs take fees from working parents.
Not sure if all areas are same, but our school has limited amount of spaces in Breakfast/afternoon clubs.

But how on earth does she afford foreign holidays?

Most people who don’t work and are benefit-capped have negative budgets, i.e. income doesn’t cover essential living costs, which means they’re heavily in debt. 5 million people are now on a negative budget, including 1.5 million children.

Your SIL will also be benefit sanctioned if she doesn’t work.

You claim she takes no responsibility but how does she afford foreign holidays? Does she have a partner?

But it’s the other way around. Wraparound care started with breakfast clubs because some families were so poor they were struggling to feed breakfast to their kids and expanded from there to what is known now as ‘wrap around care.’

Schools presumably can’t exclude kids of working parents so gradually it becomes the norm for working parents to send their kids there as additional child care.

When I was growing up, if you needed additional child care before or after school you payed for a child minder who gave breakfast/dinner and took the kids too/from school/

Really op the question should be: why do working families believe schools should provide this additional child care before any of the alternatives?

Although ideally employers would be a lot more flexible.

OK then. You’re absolutely right. Bang on the money. Hands up guvner. Where’s your brother/in-law?

You love working with needy families.
However they know how to play the system and are takers!

definitely in the wrong job @CurlyhairedAssassin with that outlook.
It’s not in your job description to judge get frustrated.

Yeah I don't follow this logic