Wrap around care for those who don't work??

Again. Who are we supposed to be bashing or championing here?

The hard working OP
The lazy entitled SIL
The feral children (still waiting hear how many dads on that one)
The nanny state
People in receipt of benefits (I assume the OP doesn’t include working tax credit as a state handout, just the feckless ones)
Society in general these days (please visualise my sweeping arm movement)

There should be more support for working parents. Trying to work childcare and work is a nightmare. They should fund early morning nursery's for working parents.

You think it’s wraparound clubs which create useless parents? What is protecting you from this affliction, then? How are you immune to their harms, if you use wraparound care? How have you avoided their dreadful habit of making you forget how to parent properly yourself?

I’m a working parent and won’t use the free breakfast club. He already goes to after school club and I would rather have him here with me in the morning than at school.
Having said that, I am incredibly lucky that I can do this and my job is flexible enough to allow it. I will probably ramp down after school clubs once he gets a bit older as well - if he prefers being at home.
My boy is also lucky that being at school isn’t safer for him than being at home. Many kids don’t get that kind of home life. It breaks my heart, tbh.

It does exist. Just some people know every trick in the book to avoid working.

at my school breakfast club (8am start) is one you pay for as is after school care (til 4:15pm) and we have a few days a week of afterschool club (limit of 2 per child so its fair on everyone) and those are free and things like sports or arts and even maths clubs. My DD does 2 a week (maths and football) and she loves it. I work weekends only so "dont need" them but its good for her.
The school does offer a free bowl of cereal from 8:30 for everyone who wants one though.

So you don't want your nephews and neices to benefit? Because you wouldn't want SIL to indirectly benefit from it.
Something you and your child will get too?

Wanna ban Christmas for those kids too? Wouldn't want them to enjoy themselves.

and no the job centre doesnt exist

Exactly

it is for the sake of the child as you say.
good job

Have you thought that some may not be working because they can't get someone to look after kid before school cant afford it . Maybe being free breakfasts mean it convinces a person to take say an early care job and will be finished at 2 etc.

There have ALWAYS been people who think they don't have to parent their own child.

What evidence do you have that a couple of teeth brushing lessons and some books about the dentist mean that more people think they don't need to parent?

This. Why should the children, who are totally helpless suffer, because of the family they happen to be born into? This is for the children, how sad that some people would seek to complain about any help that they may receive.

If that's the case I'm thrilled that child and childhoods are back on the agenda and hope this is the start of policies designed to lift children out of poverty.

I will benefit (currently my childcare bill is more than my mortgage) but I'm very happy this isn't just for 'working' families because I'm more worried about the children living in poverty and helping struggling families.

Fucking tedious isn’t it. What do they get from this? Wanking over women fighting? Are we some kind of foxy boxing service?

I don’t really understand your point? Why can’t parents take advantage of this ‘just because.’ At the end of the day it’s their children that will benefit from it the most

It’s for the kids not the parents

Is it? This is what it says on the HM Government Childcare Choices page -

To break down barriers to opportunity and confront child poverty, the government is making plans to fund free breakfast clubs in every primary school, so children start the day ready to learn.

All parents in England with primary school aged children are eligible to access wraparound childcare.

Assuming you are in England. I haven’t checked the devolved nations websites.

Throw the grenade in and casually walk away whistling with your hands behind your back.
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How old is her youngest child? If at school and she's on uc the job centre should be on her case. Unless she's claiming disability then they'll leave her alone. I think going by some people I know it's impossible to get them to work as they have never ending list of excuses.
I'm a single parent and work. I agree it's frustrating when you see others refusing and getting all the help but I think with those types of parents it's about helping the children. I know a woman who's son was given free breakfast club, school offered it. I think its because mum doesn't cope and child was going to school without breakfast and stressed due to mum's behaviour.

@DinosaurMunch please let me know where you see a few hours a week earning you £7k per annum?

My children are up from 5am everyday (regardless of what we do to help them sleep later) so waiting for 8.45/9am feels like a lifetime. My child with SEN would benefit greatly from a soft landing transition to school. The longer he waits in the morning the more anxious he becomes or he thinks its a weekend and then the idea of school can feel very off putting(who can blame him) so he will refuse (try maintaining a job with a "school refuser")

It would be wonderful to have access to breakfast club and afterschool club. Our school doesn't offer it at all despite the clear need for it from many parents. I think as much as possible should be universally available for children. Give them as much support as possible. It's nothing to do with the parents.

I agree it's for the good of the child. But it's creating a generation of people who think they no longer have to parent their own children! How about encouraging these people (not just women) to get a job, to be pro active? Does the Job centre even exist anymore?

Where is the Dad in all this? SIL does sound like hard work but there are 2 parents. So why isn't the father taking kids to school or helping them brush teeth?

I think that once kids are older she will get less financially from the state & can't see how she will be able to continue with her holidays to Benidorm. I'm not too envious of what you describe though!

Well said 👏