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PIL's proudness of DIL being ex teacher - am I just jell ?

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welljells · 13/11/2024 14:08

Let me start by saying, this is a bit of a humour post and not actually really deep.

HOWEVER- hahah

Parents in law and I have a long, at times difficult history. They've messed up with me, I've messed up with them. Some of it is cultural, some of it is personality clashes. My in laws are super dominant and have a very tight knit family unit with their children, it's been tricky to break away from that and build our own family. On the whole, they're not monsters, but we don't have the best relationship.

BIL has recently got married to a perfectly nice lady who used to be a secondary school teacher, but now works in a corporate job because of the bad treatment and pay of teachers. She taught for 2 years, all secondary.

I have little kids and MIL is always saying how SIL is great with kids, as she is a teacher. She says that she can definitely baby sit my kids if required - as she's a teacher. ( MIL just mentioned this out of the blue, I never asked for baby sitting ).

I've also overheard in laws, when asked what SIL does for a living- telling people she's a teacher, but no longer works in it because of the poor treatment of teachers. All fact. They seem very proud that their DIL is or was a teacher.

Am I going to live the rest of my life with the fact that my in laws praise my SIL for having been a teacher ? Somehow it irrationally annoys me. And I know it's irrational. I'm an accomplished woman with two kids and work my arse off in a corporate role. I never once have heard a nice thing come out of their mouths about me, my career, my parenting - nada. When my kids do something good, they must have picked it up at nursery. I get zero credit for anything.

I started the relationship with my in laws, as a young 20 something woman with a kind heart. They repeatedly showed me I could not trust them. I don't want to drip feed, but they have done and said unkind things about me/ my family.

Anyway, just jell ? Or is it annoying that the being a teacher thing keeps being brought up and praised ?

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Abbyant · 18/11/2024 23:22

I kind of get it, my dp was a secondary school teacher for a while, but decided to leave and got a job working for the HMRC but I’d still tell people he was a teacher because if I told them what he was currently doing they’d have something negative to say one example is “oh so he’s the one taking all my wages”. Could your sil’s current job receive that sort of response or would people not understand what her role actually was?

DollyRocka · 18/11/2024 21:13

Not sure why they’re praising an ex-teacher!
She’s hardly a brain surgeon!

wordler · 15/11/2024 19:29

welljells · 13/11/2024 18:49

I'm really trying to break the ice with her but she's so icy.

I really do try. I don't know how to get her to warm up. I'm usually really good at connecting with people and making friends, but SIL is a bit of an ice cube.

You never know what she's being told about you - your MIL might be doing the same to her and making her feel resentful about you for something.

Thefsm · 15/11/2024 18:19

My brother in law was dating an Iroquoian princess for a few years. All I heard was how beautiful she was and how clever etc (she was a lawyer). They broke up because she cheated on him but they still sometimes wistfully talk about her.

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CanelliniBeans · 15/11/2024 14:36

@gummania mainly made excuses for them. Said they didn't have the benefit of education and were narrow minded which was true.
I tolerate them now, I'm never rude and I don't stop him seeing them but unless it's a big occasion I don't go. I think they regret their attitude towards me and are always extra nice now so I try not to hold a grudge but I just don't feel anything positive towards them. Funnily enough his wonderful db and wife live in another country now and barely see them

gummania · 15/11/2024 08:06

@CanelliniBeans what on earth did your DH do over the years when his parents behaved like this to you and his children FGs?!

CanelliniBeans · 15/11/2024 08:05

I have experienced this from DH family (as has he to be honest).
Our DC were always the last to be invited, they didn't bother with our dc nativity but raved about the others. I had a very professional job which they never understood. I'd been to university which they laughed about.
They changed when the kids became young adults and all the 'favourites' disappeared and got on with their lives. But I could never quite get over it. We invite them over now for some family things, we do Christmas (although there was never room for us at their house with the others) but I feel cold towards them and no longer make an effort. I don't visit them.

Yoonimum · 14/11/2024 20:57

I would be eye rolling (mentally if not overtly) every time I heard them bang on about this and not putting much store by it. You already know you are bottom of the heap in their eyes and that they have a very superficial assessment of people. Whatever you do, try not to fall out with your SIL as you need your family allies with PIL like that!

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 14/11/2024 19:32

thepariscrimefiles · 13/11/2024 14:16

Being a teacher is the sort of job that everyone understands. They may not know about the additional work that a teacher has to do outside the classroom but they understand the classroom part of the job.

If you have a corporate job, it is less likely that your in-laws understand what you do and the level of responsibility and if you have a poor relationship with them, they will be less likely to be interested in your job.

Often, people think of teachers as primary school teachers, assuming them to have motherly instincts in a way that they wouldn't expect of someone that works with much older children.

No, they think they do and they've no clue about even 'the classroom part' i.e. adapting for 30+ individuals, managing behaviour, managing contributions, motivating, explaining, giving instructions, addressing wellbeing, taking into account research and data, checking progress, planning all interactions in minute detail...

Maybe they're just proud because they think it matters or makes a difference.

PointsSouth · 14/11/2024 19:25

Slight aside, but this thread has reminded me....

When I was fifteen, I was at my best friend's house. The mother was a teacher. Over dinner (I was already on the backfoot because there were items of cutlery that I didn't know what they were for), she said to me, "What do you think you might choose as a career?"

"I don't know really," I said. "I suppose journalism or perhaps advertising or something."

She pursed her lips.

"Well, that's not very good," she said. "You're quite bright. You could do something useful - like teaching."

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 14/11/2024 19:12

Biffbaff · 13/11/2024 14:14

She can't be that good with kids if she couldn't hack the job.

🙄 Thousands and thousands of teachers are quitting, because the job can be a nightmare. I know plenty if excellent teachers who have quit, and no doubt gone on to be excellent at other things.

restingbitchface30 · 14/11/2024 19:02

Oh I feel you with this one! My MIL dislikes me. Because I’m the only one in the entire family who knows she’s a narcissist. Over the years she has been beyond difficult and I’ve cried many tears over her. When I had my children she demanded I call her mum. Nah, not happening, I’m not calling someone mum who I am not close to and I do not like. Well her other DIL is playing by the rules! She visits all the time and calls her mum etc even though in the beginning she was equally as cruel to her and made her cry several times. Because she’s playing ball she gets praised and I get compared to her all the time. It is rotten but I know it won’t last. So bite your tongue and keep living your life on your own terms.

gummania · 14/11/2024 15:02

He's definitely stood up for me. But sometimes he'll come out with stuff and I can just hear that it's from his mum and then I say 'did your mum say that ?

I suspect what the Op is genuinely upset about is the fact that her husband seems to share the views of his mother

Nanny0gg · 13/11/2024 20:23

welljells · 13/11/2024 19:14

@Nanny0gg I was going to say generational in my OP, but I knew I would be picked to shreds.

Look, my in-laws are in their 60s- they've had a completely different life from us. Same with my parents. It's not generational, it's also education- we all have degrees and they don't. My mother and mother in law are great cooks and housewives, but they can't really send an email. It's just the way it is. They don't get what I do and they don't even ask anyway.

They only want to talk about the things they know and are good at ( which incidentally I'm not good at ). They spend most of their time chatting about how great women used to be and how rubbish modern women are. It's boring and annoying. Anyway. It's not just generational and that would be a generalisation, which is why I didn't post it, in the end.

I'm older than they are.

Just sayin'

It's nothing at all to do with age.

schoolsoutforever · 13/11/2024 20:21

thepariscrimefiles · 13/11/2024 14:16

Being a teacher is the sort of job that everyone understands. They may not know about the additional work that a teacher has to do outside the classroom but they understand the classroom part of the job.

If you have a corporate job, it is less likely that your in-laws understand what you do and the level of responsibility and if you have a poor relationship with them, they will be less likely to be interested in your job.

Often, people think of teachers as primary school teachers, assuming them to have motherly instincts in a way that they wouldn't expect of someone that works with much older children.

Yes this (I reckon) is the answer. It's like nurse, doctor, police - something to be proud of because everyone (including them) understands what it is. 'Corporate' jobs (btw, I am a teacher and don't know what that means) are a mystery to most.

I would try not to take it personally - your job is probably miles better (esp given she's no longer one) but this is likely to be the reason.

AmberAnt · 13/11/2024 20:15

You sound really mean! They sound like nice people who are looking for nice things to say about their new DIL.

Gently correct them, or let her and her partner do it.

Could not care less. I’d make friends with my Sil and bond over it. But then I also wouldn’t post a snotty little thread on mumsnet

honeylulu · 13/11/2024 20:08

Nanny0gg · 13/11/2024 19:05

If I hear the word 'generational' on here one more time to excuse/explain stupidity or nastiness I will scream

We're not all stupid and some of us do know about other jobs/careers and actually speak to our children and their partners to learn what's going on in their lives

And some of us <gasp> actually taught for a living ourselves

Just how old are your parents?

They are 79 and 82.

I don't know if this explains anything but I remember my mum telling me they were told at her (all girl) school that if they were planning to get a job after leaving (guess this would have been 1960 or so) the options were teacher, nurse or secretary. My mum's sister did become a teacher. My mum became a podiatrist, bit random.

My parents aren't the least bit interested in my career (solicitor) and never mention/ ask anything about it except to disapprove that I sent my children to nursery rather than giving up work.

They aren't stupid intellectually but have very fixed ideas about what is the correct way of doing things.

Anyway sorry to have annoyed you, it wasn't intentional.

CharlieUniformNovemberTangoYankee · 13/11/2024 19:34

welljells · 13/11/2024 18:59

I was so shocked by this and upset. I told my husband and he was also really upset.

We didn't make a big deal out of it because inevitably I would be called ' too sensitive ' ' it was just a joke ' ' chip on my shoulder ' ' crazy ' ...

If it happens again, I will need to say something. It was unnecessarily cruel and to be honest I was so ashamed in that moment, it's the best emotion to describe it. I did not know what to say.

You've done nothing to be ashamed of. Quite the opposite, you're the hard-working mother of her grandchildren and you deserve respect.
Next time she does anything like this, take a deep breath and say something like 'That's enough Barbara. Do not use my child as a go-between for your criticism of me. I've had years of this nonsense from you and I'm calling time on it now'
Honestly, free yourself of caring what your in-laws think, it's so liberating and models solid boundaries for your children ie not putting up with disrespect from anyone.
Good luck x

CountTo10 · 13/11/2024 19:20

LoveSandbanks · 13/11/2024 14:17

They don’t understand what you do or what SIL does but they do understand (somewhat) what a teacher does. They can’t “praise” what they don’t understand.

SIL will be moaning in a few years that they’re still telling people that she used to be a teacher 🙄

I was going to say exactly this. They know what a teacher is/does but not clear what she does now. I don't see it as being particularly proud that she was a teacher just that it's a conversation piece they can understand.

My parents are exactly the same. They always tell people I'm an ex detective because they know what that is not that they're particularly proud. I'm now an investigator for a regulatory body but despite having done that for over 8 years they still ask me what I do and admit they can't tell people what I do because they don't really know/remember.

gummania · 13/11/2024 19:15

welljells · 13/11/2024 19:14

@Nanny0gg I was going to say generational in my OP, but I knew I would be picked to shreds.

Look, my in-laws are in their 60s- they've had a completely different life from us. Same with my parents. It's not generational, it's also education- we all have degrees and they don't. My mother and mother in law are great cooks and housewives, but they can't really send an email. It's just the way it is. They don't get what I do and they don't even ask anyway.

They only want to talk about the things they know and are good at ( which incidentally I'm not good at ). They spend most of their time chatting about how great women used to be and how rubbish modern women are. It's boring and annoying. Anyway. It's not just generational and that would be a generalisation, which is why I didn't post it, in the end.

it’s like you’re talking about women born in the 1930s

Not the 1960s!

BibbityBobbityToo · 13/11/2024 19:14

They're trying to show off to their friends/acquaintances.

They sound as bonkers as my late Granny, was so proud of my cousin who did all the teacher training then sat on her arse umemployed became a lady of leisure as she didn't want to work Granny used to tell everyone how proud she was of her special grand child with the teaching degree 🙄

welljells · 13/11/2024 19:14

@Nanny0gg I was going to say generational in my OP, but I knew I would be picked to shreds.

Look, my in-laws are in their 60s- they've had a completely different life from us. Same with my parents. It's not generational, it's also education- we all have degrees and they don't. My mother and mother in law are great cooks and housewives, but they can't really send an email. It's just the way it is. They don't get what I do and they don't even ask anyway.

They only want to talk about the things they know and are good at ( which incidentally I'm not good at ). They spend most of their time chatting about how great women used to be and how rubbish modern women are. It's boring and annoying. Anyway. It's not just generational and that would be a generalisation, which is why I didn't post it, in the end.

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gummania · 13/11/2024 19:12

He's definitely stood up for me. But sometimes he'll come out with stuff and I can just hear that it's from his mum and then I say 'did your mum say that ?

WTF… your husband also denigrates you or bigs up his sil?

BubblePerm · 13/11/2024 19:12

We hear about how wonderful D Sis in law is (and is great, but it's funny how they go on) and how much money everyone has; everyone has loads of money.
DH and I laugh a bit about it afterwards. PIL are a product of the 80's and now it just looks strange as they never really left that decade.
I do love them though, but have accepted that we have different aspirations and beliefs.

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