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I don't want to contribute to Sister's health treatments. t

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SILDilema · 13/11/2024 11:37

Sister is very ill, terminally, has teen kids and is looking at additional private health care.

We've had some heavy hints dropped about how much this will cost.
Her family also have private school fees, and over the last three years spent considerable sums (over 100k) on a hobby plus various bucket list exotic trips. We don't know what their future plans are for funding the ongoing costs of teen hobbies and fees.

We earn less, spend less and don't have a terrible diagnosis hanging over our head.

I feel sad about any family going through this.
But AIBU to not want to contribute financially?

My judgement is clouded because before all this she was quite horrible to me and that hasn't changed recently either.

OP posts:
Enough4me · 16/11/2024 00:04

OP I can see you're writing isn't meaningless chat. You are writing to take it all in. Anyone telling you to not write has a different agenda then hearing your perspective.

jaimelesoleil · 15/11/2024 21:41

SILDilema · 15/11/2024 16:43

My sadly soon to be ex sister in law is a whole different thread. I prefer her to my brother, that dilemma is for another thread but I don't have the band width for that at the moment. But just how much do you keep in touch after 20 years.

The whole bloody extended family is falling apart. Even the teenager has just been dumped by his complicated girlfriend. Which is complicated to parent.

You’re waffling now. The children are going to loose their mum very soon. You have no idea (I do) how much that will affect them for ever.

I do not disagree with you not wanting to contribute financially but do not try and justify it with meaningless chat.

jaimelesoleil · 15/11/2024 21:35

BigManLittleDignity · 15/11/2024 21:32

You’re not coming across well at all.
Obviously you don’t owe your sister or sister in law any money, even if you have millions in the bank. You are coming across very callous though. Her children will be left without a mother and that is so very sad and heartbreaking for them.

I agree… my mum died when I was three, my siblings were older but it affected us when it happened and in the long term. There is nothing worse as a child than losing your mum

BigManLittleDignity · 15/11/2024 21:32

You’re not coming across well at all.
Obviously you don’t owe your sister or sister in law any money, even if you have millions in the bank. You are coming across very callous though. Her children will be left without a mother and that is so very sad and heartbreaking for them.

LIJ · 15/11/2024 17:27

I think she’s a mixed up
fantasist.

TwattyMcFuckFace · 15/11/2024 16:55

WaitingForMojo · 15/11/2024 15:55

It’s her sister?

I don't know.

When questioned why she chose that NN for this thread, considering it says 'SIL' dilemma, she gave a fairly vague answer.

I don't think it matters, in this case, if it's my brother, in law or step sibling.

SILDilema · 15/11/2024 16:43

TwattyMcFuckFace · 15/11/2024 13:01

The OP has no blood link to her sister in law.

But I agree, she doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want to.

My sadly soon to be ex sister in law is a whole different thread. I prefer her to my brother, that dilemma is for another thread but I don't have the band width for that at the moment. But just how much do you keep in touch after 20 years.

The whole bloody extended family is falling apart. Even the teenager has just been dumped by his complicated girlfriend. Which is complicated to parent.

OP posts:
WaitingForMojo · 15/11/2024 15:55

TwattyMcFuckFace · 15/11/2024 13:01

The OP has no blood link to her sister in law.

But I agree, she doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want to.

It’s her sister?

TwattyMcFuckFace · 15/11/2024 13:01

The OP has no blood link to her sister in law.

But I agree, she doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want to.

Necky1 · 15/11/2024 12:58

Just because there is a blood link doesn't mean there is love.

The OP and her sister are not close and have vastly different finances.

It is absolutely nothing to do with the OP to step in to uphold a lifestyle she doesn't have herself because of a terminal diagnosis.

Of course it is very sad but these things often bring around a change of circumstances.

Sad and difficult for sure, but absolutely nothing to do with the OP and her family and their simpler lifestyle.

Grrrrdarling · 15/11/2024 12:26

SILDilema · 15/11/2024 09:27

Today, I'm feeling angry sad today about it all. The internet has given access to information and the perception of choices and anyone can become an amateur oncologist.
Our parents are terrified. The money involved is eye watering, the aftermath with the kids not discussed with any of us practically, emotionally or financially.
It feels incredibly complicated.

@SILDilema They need to get their heads out of the sand & plan for the future now. It is probably already too late but no harm in them trying to cut costs & do what they can to limit the financial burden on other family members.
Without knowing prognosis etc, from docs not SIL & her section of the family or anyone else lapping all the drama up, I would certainly not be paying out anything but I would offer time & emotional support when I was available.
I doubt very much any money you give will be appreciated & going off what you’ve said about the family dynamics between yourself & SIL your contribution will 100%be labeled as a minuscule amount & judged based on what others have given when reality is your contribution is probably more when you consider your financial situation.
I’d not be contributing financially & if they have an issue with that then that is their issue not yours! Money is made from paper but doesn’t grow on trees 😬

pinkgrevillea · 15/11/2024 12:07

Gosh that is really hard on your parents. If the diagnosis is terminal there is really no point spending more money. What an awful situation. Take care of yourself. Spend the money on therapy for yourself if you need it.

HarpieDuJour · 15/11/2024 12:02

There is no happy ending here, obviously. No amount of money will change the diagnosis, and even if the private treatment would delay death, very few families are able to fund this indefinitely. If you make sacrifices to give whatever you can, how long could you keep that up? And what would happen then?

My sister has despised me from the moment I was born. When we were teenagers, she would push me down stairs, she shaved the skin off my arm with a razor, we are not and have never been friends. When her child got a terminal diagnosis, I tried to be as supportive as possible. She still treated me with contempt. When the child died, my husband and I took time off work and did most of the work in organising the funeral. My sister was absolutely vile to me, and that was the last time I ever spoke to her. I had thought that I would feel better if I at least tried to do my best for her. I didn't, I felt worse because I had really gone to a lot of effort for someone who actively despised me. She didn't see my efforts as a kind gesture, or an offer of support; she saw me as pathetic and weak.

It's never as simple as there being a right or a wrong thing to do. Family dynamics can be very complicated. OP, you will probably be on the receiving end of some really unpleasant pressure from your family to pay up, and it can be hard to be the only person saying "No". If you choose to give something then you need to be very clear about it being a limited amount and not every month, but if you choose not to give anything at all, then that's okay too. I'm not sure I would want to give much to someone who can't even be nice to me when she's asking for large sums of money either!

LIJ · 15/11/2024 11:12

Mmm. Family dynamics! However, a terminal diagnosis tends to “ build bridges”
not in this case sadly. It’s clear from the original post that those bridges have well and truly been burned by the poster despite the fact her sister is actively dying. She is on here trying to get validation for her deplorable actions/decisions.

LIJ · 15/11/2024 11:08

It’s not harsh and unecessary . That comment is spot on. The original poster has long ago made up her mind not to help further. She is on here looking for validation for her deplorable actions. Nothing more, nothing less.

LIJ · 15/11/2024 10:58

You are making all this about you. Shameless!

LIJ · 15/11/2024 10:56

Don’t “think reverse”. Think now. Her sister is terminal. What a hard, shallow person you are coming across as.

LIJ · 15/11/2024 10:49

The key words for me here are “ we don’t have a terminal diagnoses hanging over our heads”
aka. “I’m all right Jack”. Disgraceful!!

TulipinUK · 15/11/2024 09:55

Have you read the post? It looks like the sister who is poorly doesn’t care very much for the lady that posted. This is entirely possible in families.

jeaux90 · 15/11/2024 09:53

It's ok OP. You just have to be clear you can't help financially but you'll support them in other ways.

We had a family death by cancer last year, supported at home with home based visits from the hospice. Everyone found their "job" be it cooking, school runs etc.

Sorry to be pragmatic about it, but honestly you have to be.

Pippyls67 · 15/11/2024 09:50

Give what you can reasonably afford and no more. Better though is to give boundless love, sympathy and emotional support to those kids. Never complain about your sisters finances or any of this in front of them. Keep that up through out their lives. You’ve been a great sister then.

SILDilema · 15/11/2024 09:27

Today, I'm feeling angry sad today about it all. The internet has given access to information and the perception of choices and anyone can become an amateur oncologist.
Our parents are terrified. The money involved is eye watering, the aftermath with the kids not discussed with any of us practically, emotionally or financially.
It feels incredibly complicated.

OP posts:
Tandora · 15/11/2024 08:05

Jessica167353 · 13/11/2024 15:09

It’s none of your business to feel ‘horrified’.

Eh? Her feelings are entirely her business.

2Rebecca · 15/11/2024 08:04

I work in the NHS and agree most treatments for cancer that are private only are unlikely to make much difference to her life. Private carers and her husband taking a reduction in hours/ taking a month off to care for her may help but I wouldn't spend money on a " must try everything " approach. I'd visit to help support her.

hettie · 15/11/2024 07:53

Marshbird · 14/11/2024 20:18

Paying private for treatment of cancer, where treatment is not offered on NHS, is likely to be clutching at straws for miracles and a waste of money frankly.
all treatments for cancer go through Clincial trials. Double blind stage 3 studies. In each country they then review the evidence, based on risk vs benefits and then decide as an individual Regualtoroy Body if the evidence is strong enough to approve it. In many cases it may be approved with strong caveats about risks and which sub group of patients it is most suited to with each condition. In the uk that is then reviewed by NICE, who look at benefits vs costs vs risks to make a decision if it will be given under NHS funding.
a lot of people may as individuals feel that NICE is blocking their pathway to a treatment to prolong life or even a cure, and for 1 individual it may indeed be hugely successful. NICE is looking at populations as a whole, and can see that maybe for £100,000 per treatment per person, it benefits just 5% of patients. They’re not going to authorise that . Sure, your sister can then go and get the drug treatment privately, but the odds, and the risk vs benefit profile will be massively stacked against her and it having a cure, or even prolonging her life.
unfortunatley, hope is not a benign positive emotion always. We hang on to hope because it is a survival mechanism. But, sometimes it holds us back from addressing reality, where the bad news or uncomfortable option is. Hope is what stops us changing our current mental attitude. Faced with death, that is absolutely understandable, and a massive challenge to overcome. I believe this is where hospices and other volunteers can help so much, to help the perosn come through a “grief” pathway to a point of acceptance. And to have as good a death as possible while they are still well enough to have some quality of life.
Going through the game of chasing down treatment after treatment on private basis in “hope” of a miracle, so often results in wasting what little precious time there is left, to create happier memories if possible, or just to get everything in order.

I certainly wouldn’t give money to people to chase cancer treatments that the Clincial reviews and studies have shown to provide so little benefit and chance of working, or NICE has rejected. (Caveat sometimes NICE holds off for some further studies over time…but that is rare)

If she was asking for help with private Hopsice care, then yes, I’d do what I could, but within reason. Within reason is not if they have young school age children and they haven’t taken out life insurance or a critical illness cover, which will pay out. This is what that’s there for; to pay back loans and such for private hospice or nursing at home care in her final weeks and months. If they’ve been frazzling all that money on private education, hobbies and holidays, and haven’t got life insurance or critical illness cover, then they’ve got their priorities worng and nope, I wouldn’t personally cover to pay off someone’s irresponsible and luxury lifestyle. If that’s the case then they lead their entire lives by the mantra of “hope” ; hoping they’ll never have to deal with the shit that life can throw at us all, at any time.

This is incredibly sensible and important advice.
Acceptance is incredibly difficult in these circumstances but would be far the better path. If you or your parents are funding random snake oil 'treatments' then you are supporting something that really might not be helpful.