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Frustratedfather89 · 12/11/2024 23:39

Aibu to feel like my marriage is over? We have been together for 17 years, married for 7, 2 kids, both boys aged 5 and 1. There is literally no intimacy in our relationship anymore. We have had sex once in the last 2 years and probably 10 times in the last 5 years total. I'm very much attracted to her, and pay compliments all the time. When I say no intimacy I mean literally nothing from her. No physical contact other than a kiss goodnight (peck) which i instigate everytime. Anytime we have had sex in the last 10 years it's been because I instigated it (actually feel like a pest even trying anymore). I don't want to leave as our family life is good and I don't want to be away from the kids but I'm not sure how much longer I can stick the rejection

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Zabeburr · 10/03/2025 11:47

I've been married for 27 years. My partner is not interested in sex at all or any kind of intimacy. When I've tried to raise it, he says 'it's not just down to me', except I think it is because he knows how much I want , and have always wanted, intimacy. I got to the point where I felt embarrassed knowing it was only me that wanted sex. Once the kids got past 5 years old he was reluctant. Felt self conscious. He had an affair ( albeit briefly) twenty years ago but we had counseling afterwards and worked hard to get close again. He was never one to chase me round the bed and perhaps I was a bit selfish because I was never one to lay down and think of England type thing.

We had a weekend away last year and a trip to the chemist was needed ( viagra) and that has put the nail in the coffin for me. He obviously doesn't 'feel it' anymore and I wouldn't mind , if he was just honest. He never wants to talk about any issues we have and I feel like I'm being mardy or nagging if I say we should talk about the relationship.
We generally have a lot of fun and make each laugh but that's fading now. I'm so sad but also quite lonely really. He just can't be honest with me.

AnonymousBleep · 11/02/2025 18:08

OrangeGreens · 13/11/2024 10:41

Yes. In my opinion when women go off sex with their current partner they (the woman) often experience it as total loss of interest in all sex. And perhaps that is what they tell their partner, really believing it, and the partner believes it too.

But with a new partner their interest in sex returns.

You need to talk to your wife. If she is not menopausal or experiencing significant hormone changes (pregnancy etc) and she seems to have zero sex drive when she had one before, it is almost certainly a problem with how she feels about you.

I know that’s hard to hear, and I wouldn’t like to hear it myself. But only by being realistic is it possible to make an informed decision as to whether you can carry on like this or not.

Good luck to you both in reaching a solution that works for you.

This is so interesting. I thought maybe I'd gone asexual! But maybe I just haven't met someone who interests me since my separation then (tbh I haven't really tried so not that surprising).

AnonymousBleep · 11/02/2025 17:56

Shoppedatwoolworths · 13/11/2024 03:11

Was going to name change for this but sod it.

I have been married to DH for 22 yrs. Pretty good marriage, we get on and do things together, however I’ve totally gone off sex. I used to really love sex and was way more adventurous than him. Now my skin crawls when I even think about DTD with him.

He will be wondering why, I expect. He hasn’t asked so I haven’t contributed any reasons or excuses.

For me, these are my reasons.

He brushes his teeth once in a blue moon. I don’t want to kiss him because of his breath. It’s difficult even sleeping in the same bed. He’s the type to take offence and sulk for days so I haven’t directly said to him this is one of the reasons. I’m also not his parent. He’s 46, HE should know to brush his own teeth. Or to go to the dentist.

Sex lasts approximately 30-40 seconds then it’s over. The very second I get into it, it stops. So what’s the point? We’ve spoken about this but for some reason he won’t address this issue with a GP, because let’s face it, it’s not an issue for him. He gets his orgasm and I get wet for nothing. Again, I shouldn’t have to nag an adult to see a doctor. Especially when I don’t even care to have sex. I’ve given up asking him to sort this out. So his selfishness over this is a large contributor to my dwindling libido.

Limited attraction from my end. I guess sometimes this fades over time. He’s a good looking man, just with the teeth issue and other things, the attraction just isn’t there for me anymore.

Uneven distribution of housework. He does very little. I’m naturally the default parent and always have been. He acts like an additional child, which is not sexy for me. Eg, the teeth issue and the premature ejac issue, if I told him to brush teeth, he willingly would. But I’m not his fucking parent. If I booked the dr appointment, he’d go. Again, not my job. I am tired of being the chief decision maker by default despite never signing up for the role. All of that makes me less and less attracted to him. I’m attracted to intelligence and initiative, when that’s gone there’s nothing for me to be attracted to.

He makes zero attempt to woo me into bed. He thinks he can just get it out and I’ll be ready, or he can rub my back for 20 seconds to fire me up so I’ll be raring to go. No dates arranged. No flirting other than some cringy innuendos that remind me of Bruce Fortsythe or worse.

He’s genuinely one of life’s great guys (I know my description hasn’t sold him), he really is though. We are an amazing team and I actually believe if he ever asked me “why?” I would tell him the reasons stated above, but he doesn’t even take the initiative to ask me, so I’m not offering the information. If this was a situation that bothered me then I would sort it, but right now, I don’t care for sex. Libido is low. When it does come, I sort myself out.

But I’m sure he is like many, many men who are perplexed as to why their wives don’t want to sleep with them anymore. I know he finds me attractive. I look and weigh the same as I did when we met in high school and I’ve worked hard to keep my looks and figure. He always touches me and I hate it.

And yes, we can do other things other than sex. He loves to give oral, but sometimes you just want a good shag, don’t you?

Anyway, should he ever be looking on Mumsnet for answers, he may see this response and click. But OP, not sure on your situation, but all I ever see is bewildered men who have no idea why sex has dried up, when they have similar qualities to my DH.

I resonate so strongly with this post! You're basically summing up all the reasons I chose to end my marriage (only I had the opposite problem to premature ejaculation - he couldn't keep it up for more than a few seconds and when that happens every time, it's hard not to feel like that's your fault for not being hot enough, or that something is wrong with you). I tried talking about this, I tried to get him to see a counsellor, he didn't engage with any of it so after literal years of deliberation, I ended the marriage. I still feel bad about that though. He was/is a lovely man but I never, ever want to have sex with him again.

NattyBeaker · 11/02/2025 17:47

I have a 1 year old and can tell you it puts you off sex. My husband probably feels like you do. Is she breastfeeding?

AzureLurker · 11/02/2025 00:15

Shoppedatwoolworths · 13/11/2024 03:11

Was going to name change for this but sod it.

I have been married to DH for 22 yrs. Pretty good marriage, we get on and do things together, however I’ve totally gone off sex. I used to really love sex and was way more adventurous than him. Now my skin crawls when I even think about DTD with him.

He will be wondering why, I expect. He hasn’t asked so I haven’t contributed any reasons or excuses.

For me, these are my reasons.

He brushes his teeth once in a blue moon. I don’t want to kiss him because of his breath. It’s difficult even sleeping in the same bed. He’s the type to take offence and sulk for days so I haven’t directly said to him this is one of the reasons. I’m also not his parent. He’s 46, HE should know to brush his own teeth. Or to go to the dentist.

Sex lasts approximately 30-40 seconds then it’s over. The very second I get into it, it stops. So what’s the point? We’ve spoken about this but for some reason he won’t address this issue with a GP, because let’s face it, it’s not an issue for him. He gets his orgasm and I get wet for nothing. Again, I shouldn’t have to nag an adult to see a doctor. Especially when I don’t even care to have sex. I’ve given up asking him to sort this out. So his selfishness over this is a large contributor to my dwindling libido.

Limited attraction from my end. I guess sometimes this fades over time. He’s a good looking man, just with the teeth issue and other things, the attraction just isn’t there for me anymore.

Uneven distribution of housework. He does very little. I’m naturally the default parent and always have been. He acts like an additional child, which is not sexy for me. Eg, the teeth issue and the premature ejac issue, if I told him to brush teeth, he willingly would. But I’m not his fucking parent. If I booked the dr appointment, he’d go. Again, not my job. I am tired of being the chief decision maker by default despite never signing up for the role. All of that makes me less and less attracted to him. I’m attracted to intelligence and initiative, when that’s gone there’s nothing for me to be attracted to.

He makes zero attempt to woo me into bed. He thinks he can just get it out and I’ll be ready, or he can rub my back for 20 seconds to fire me up so I’ll be raring to go. No dates arranged. No flirting other than some cringy innuendos that remind me of Bruce Fortsythe or worse.

He’s genuinely one of life’s great guys (I know my description hasn’t sold him), he really is though. We are an amazing team and I actually believe if he ever asked me “why?” I would tell him the reasons stated above, but he doesn’t even take the initiative to ask me, so I’m not offering the information. If this was a situation that bothered me then I would sort it, but right now, I don’t care for sex. Libido is low. When it does come, I sort myself out.

But I’m sure he is like many, many men who are perplexed as to why their wives don’t want to sleep with them anymore. I know he finds me attractive. I look and weigh the same as I did when we met in high school and I’ve worked hard to keep my looks and figure. He always touches me and I hate it.

And yes, we can do other things other than sex. He loves to give oral, but sometimes you just want a good shag, don’t you?

Anyway, should he ever be looking on Mumsnet for answers, he may see this response and click. But OP, not sure on your situation, but all I ever see is bewildered men who have no idea why sex has dried up, when they have similar qualities to my DH.

Even without the teeth thing. Pressure doesn't help either, the touching and the assumption this will lead somewhere immediately. Take the pressure off and some of the workload and give it a little more time.

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JHound · 11/02/2025 00:12

@Shoppedatwoolworths

Brush your goddam teeth like you used to when we were dating.

Aha - I see his personal hygiene changed. I remember dumping a guy I was seeing as he made a comment about how much more you have to shower when you date (he was complaining about it).

I decided I refuse to risk dating who sees showering as a dating duty, not basic hygiene.

JHound · 11/02/2025 00:04

@Shoppedatwoolworths

He brushes his teeth once in a blue moon. I don’t want to kiss him because of his breath. It’s difficult even sleeping in the same bed. He’s the type to take offence and sulk for days so I haven’t directly said to him this is one of the reasons. I’m also not his parent. He’s 46, HE should know to brush his own teeth. Or to go to the dentist.

This would be a dealbreaker for me to even date somebody never mind marry. I view poor hygiene as a bigger dealbreaker than lack of sex. It is also so disrespectful to other people / your partner.

JHound · 11/02/2025 00:00

Also if this was an issue before kids / marriage why did you proceed with both?

JHound · 10/02/2025 23:57

Have you discussed this with her?

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GettingThemFromHereToThere · 13/11/2024 17:29

YANBU to want sex and intimacy in your marriage.

Serious question here, do you make her orgasm each time? There are so many men who either don't know how to do it or don't bother. I certainly wouldn't be having sex if it didn't result in an orgasm.

Sounds like you need to clearly communicate where you're at. That you are considering the longevity of your relationship if the sex remains absent. That you need physical affection.

If she doesn't respond or attempt to get help, whatever the reason is, then I think it may be best for everyone if you split. For some people sex isn't important, but if it's important for you, then I think it's fair enough that you have it.

ffsfindmeausername · 13/11/2024 17:24

BeMintBee · 13/11/2024 10:22

I agree and I’m not suggesting to sound harsh. Lots of people will question division of chores, post children hormones etc. but sometimes it’s simply because woman is no longer interested in sex either at all or with her partner. doesn’t sound like she is motivated to change the situation and I don’t think any amount of wooing and taking on the mental load by you will change that.

you may need to consider whether this is how you want to live

Thank you for agreeing, I actually thought I'd be flamed for making that comment but tbh I've been there. in a very long term relationship with a good guy but I just stopped fancying him and I lost all sexual desire which I was putting down to peri menopause, stress etc. I realised none of that was the case when another man came on the scene and definitely rekindled my sexual desire. I realised then that I just no longer fancied. we separated.

Snoopdoggydog123 · 13/11/2024 17:18

Nothatgingerpirate · 13/11/2024 15:25

Well, I have "unilaterally decided" at 40, now at 45 I couldn't be happier.
Offered husband a divorce, open marriage, wouldn't hear of that.
No sex is great, at least in my life 👍

So not the same thing at all.

Mrssmith3 · 13/11/2024 15:31

Have you discussed it? I think having small children is exhausting as a mum it can feel like another thing to do. But it can get better. Date nights, time away, things for yourselves not all about the children. Maybe ask what she needs? She may just be exhausted and want you to help out more as a start. I’d say little steps but try and agree on time together would be a start.

Nothatgingerpirate · 13/11/2024 15:25

Snoopdoggydog123 · 13/11/2024 00:45

She doesn't get to just unilaterally decide you're living a life without sex.
This has been a long standing problem so can't just be blamed on babies.

You would be more than right to force the discussion with no wishy washy pandering.

But honestly, you've got 1 life I would absolutly put divorce on the table.

Well, I have "unilaterally decided" at 40, now at 45 I couldn't be happier.
Offered husband a divorce, open marriage, wouldn't hear of that.
No sex is great, at least in my life 👍

Comedycook · 13/11/2024 15:10

Yes it tiring having young DC....but sex once in two years. I suspect that it wouldn't actually matter how much housework he did...

I'd call it a day

Onlycoffee · 13/11/2024 15:07

Frustratedfather89 · 13/11/2024 00:30

Both working from home 80% of time. She's worshiped by both of the kids. Cling to her at times. Easier said than done talking about it. Have talked in the past but never made much of a difference.

You said you'd talked in the past but it didn't make any difference. What sort of talk was this and what outcome were you expecting?
Because it sounds like you might have talked and expected her to change.

If that's the case, I'm not surprised things didn't change. Your wife probably has complex and nuanced thoughts about your relationship, family life, financial arrangements and more that all feed into your sex life.

Ask questions about her inner life/thoughts and actively listen.

SharpOpalNewt · 13/11/2024 15:01

Shoppedatwoolworths · 13/11/2024 03:11

Was going to name change for this but sod it.

I have been married to DH for 22 yrs. Pretty good marriage, we get on and do things together, however I’ve totally gone off sex. I used to really love sex and was way more adventurous than him. Now my skin crawls when I even think about DTD with him.

He will be wondering why, I expect. He hasn’t asked so I haven’t contributed any reasons or excuses.

For me, these are my reasons.

He brushes his teeth once in a blue moon. I don’t want to kiss him because of his breath. It’s difficult even sleeping in the same bed. He’s the type to take offence and sulk for days so I haven’t directly said to him this is one of the reasons. I’m also not his parent. He’s 46, HE should know to brush his own teeth. Or to go to the dentist.

Sex lasts approximately 30-40 seconds then it’s over. The very second I get into it, it stops. So what’s the point? We’ve spoken about this but for some reason he won’t address this issue with a GP, because let’s face it, it’s not an issue for him. He gets his orgasm and I get wet for nothing. Again, I shouldn’t have to nag an adult to see a doctor. Especially when I don’t even care to have sex. I’ve given up asking him to sort this out. So his selfishness over this is a large contributor to my dwindling libido.

Limited attraction from my end. I guess sometimes this fades over time. He’s a good looking man, just with the teeth issue and other things, the attraction just isn’t there for me anymore.

Uneven distribution of housework. He does very little. I’m naturally the default parent and always have been. He acts like an additional child, which is not sexy for me. Eg, the teeth issue and the premature ejac issue, if I told him to brush teeth, he willingly would. But I’m not his fucking parent. If I booked the dr appointment, he’d go. Again, not my job. I am tired of being the chief decision maker by default despite never signing up for the role. All of that makes me less and less attracted to him. I’m attracted to intelligence and initiative, when that’s gone there’s nothing for me to be attracted to.

He makes zero attempt to woo me into bed. He thinks he can just get it out and I’ll be ready, or he can rub my back for 20 seconds to fire me up so I’ll be raring to go. No dates arranged. No flirting other than some cringy innuendos that remind me of Bruce Fortsythe or worse.

He’s genuinely one of life’s great guys (I know my description hasn’t sold him), he really is though. We are an amazing team and I actually believe if he ever asked me “why?” I would tell him the reasons stated above, but he doesn’t even take the initiative to ask me, so I’m not offering the information. If this was a situation that bothered me then I would sort it, but right now, I don’t care for sex. Libido is low. When it does come, I sort myself out.

But I’m sure he is like many, many men who are perplexed as to why their wives don’t want to sleep with them anymore. I know he finds me attractive. I look and weigh the same as I did when we met in high school and I’ve worked hard to keep my looks and figure. He always touches me and I hate it.

And yes, we can do other things other than sex. He loves to give oral, but sometimes you just want a good shag, don’t you?

Anyway, should he ever be looking on Mumsnet for answers, he may see this response and click. But OP, not sure on your situation, but all I ever see is bewildered men who have no idea why sex has dried up, when they have similar qualities to my DH.

Fantastic post, I think this is true for so many women.

Mischance · 13/11/2024 14:49

One of the problems when it comes to shared tasks is that women rapidly become cued in to their babies and this tends to extrapolate into childhood - they know their children inside out - their moods, nuances, signs when things are not right etc. etc. - and all that is great but it does tend to mean that men sometimes feel sidelined. Wife knows best - and some women perpetuate that by telling their spouses they are doing it wrong. It is a trap that many women fall into - they criticise their partners when they don't do stuff for the family, but when they do they criticise the how.

Just a thought.

mrlistersgelfbride · 13/11/2024 12:06

Sorry you are going through this OP.
I can relate to @Shoppedatwoolworths post 100%.
Except I don't believe my partner is one of the good guys!
The reason I don't have sex with my partner is because he is extremely lazy, does no housework, little childcare and drinks too much. Our daughter doesn't sleep well, I do pretty much everything with her plus work full time and I'm exhausted.
After 10 pints at the weekend he thinks I should be totally up for it when he slaps me on the ass when I'm doing the washing up 😬

Check you are being honest with yourself about doing your fair share around the house.
Women do need to feel appreciated and not like they have another child to look after.
Apologies if this is scathing as you can tell it's a raw issue for me!
Good luck!

OrangeGreens · 13/11/2024 12:00

bifurCAT · 13/11/2024 11:15

I see both sides here. The teeth thing, sure, no excuse. I can 100% understand why this is a deal breaker. But the rest, I sort of see as a negative feedback loop, and I think there has to be a bit of give and take from both sides.

If sex is infrequent, he is WAY less likely to exercise his orgasmic control. I think this is true for most men. If you haven't had chocolate in a year, it's amazing when you return to it. If sex is infrequent, that sensation and buzz is going to make him go in half the time of a 'regular'. The less it happens, the worse it gets. Sadly, the quicker he goes, the less she wants it.

Same with dates and foreplay, and I think this is true for many relationships. At the start of a relationship, dates and foreplay often lead to sex. As the relationship grinds on, the 'conversion rate' naturally gets less and less. As such, many men see it as a wasted investment. Why take her out on dates if there's no sex? Why invest in lots of seduction, presents, effort, etc, if it's a coin flip?

There's are numerous papers saying women's sex drives naturally decline (for various reasons), while men's tend to stay fairly consistent. This is what I mean by conversion rate. If he puts in the same effort, he's going to get less and less return... and as the relationship goes on, the less effort he puts in, the less she subsequently wants sex too, so the less effort he puts in.

I think there's a danger for this to happen on both sides. It's easy for small things on both sides to snowball.

But @Shoppedatwoolworths isnt talking about her husband taking her out on dates etc so he will get sex. She is talking mostly about doing very basic things all adults should do, regardless of their relationship status, and how she can’t be attracted to someone who doesn’t have the initiative to do them.

For example my own DH has the following issues: doesn’t wear deodorant unless i buy it and remind him to put it on; ditto tooth brushing; has multiple skin conditions including psoriasis, warts and dozens of verrucas that he has never even attempted to resolve; has to be told after every single poo to go back in and use the toilet brush. No initiative in day to day tasks. I could go on.

I particularly resent all this as I keep myself looking nice and am still in good shape (and clean!!!) despite pregnancies and breastfeeding. It’s galling to spend time and money taking care of myself when he can’t even take a moment to realise what a turn-off it is to come face to face with someone’s shit every time you enter the bathroom. There is a HUGE difference in what constitutes “effort” for men and for women.

Like @Shoppedatwoolworths husband he is a good, kind man and I couldn’t get by without him. He does actually do a fair bit of housework/childcare. And take me out on dates, cook dinner, give me massages etc, not as a transactional route to sex but because we enjoy being nice to each other.

However nonetheless sex is much less frequent than it used to be. It’s clear why, surely?

Shoppedatwoolworths · 13/11/2024 11:59

And the person who said women don’t lose their desire for sex, they lose their desire for sex with that person is BANG ON. That is so true.

Shoppedatwoolworths · 13/11/2024 11:58

bifurCAT · 13/11/2024 11:15

I see both sides here. The teeth thing, sure, no excuse. I can 100% understand why this is a deal breaker. But the rest, I sort of see as a negative feedback loop, and I think there has to be a bit of give and take from both sides.

If sex is infrequent, he is WAY less likely to exercise his orgasmic control. I think this is true for most men. If you haven't had chocolate in a year, it's amazing when you return to it. If sex is infrequent, that sensation and buzz is going to make him go in half the time of a 'regular'. The less it happens, the worse it gets. Sadly, the quicker he goes, the less she wants it.

Same with dates and foreplay, and I think this is true for many relationships. At the start of a relationship, dates and foreplay often lead to sex. As the relationship grinds on, the 'conversion rate' naturally gets less and less. As such, many men see it as a wasted investment. Why take her out on dates if there's no sex? Why invest in lots of seduction, presents, effort, etc, if it's a coin flip?

There's are numerous papers saying women's sex drives naturally decline (for various reasons), while men's tend to stay fairly consistent. This is what I mean by conversion rate. If he puts in the same effort, he's going to get less and less return... and as the relationship goes on, the less effort he puts in, the less she subsequently wants sex too, so the less effort he puts in.

I think there's a danger for this to happen on both sides. It's easy for small things on both sides to snowball.

The longest he has EVER lasted is 39 seconds. We used to have sex multiple times a day, that is the longest he’s lasted! He lasts that long if we do it once a week or once an hour, so no, you’re wrong, unfortunately.

As for the dating leading to sex and then not willing to put in that effort because of some sort of conversion rate, again, you’re wrong. And if most men do think like that, then that’s very sad and they definitely do deserve less sex if all they ever made an effort with a person for was a chance of sex rather than seeing them as an individual person who they’d like to get to know.

But dating etc I’m not so bothered about. It’s more so being the “thinker” of our marriage. Like I’m the font of all knowledge for the household so he gets to switch off his initiative. The way he’s morphed into a child role and I’ve morphed into the mother role. As I said, no mother wants to fuck her son.

bifurCAT · 13/11/2024 11:15

FupaTrooper · 13/11/2024 10:17

But she shouldn't have to... That's the point.

It's like telling someone you want a birthday card. It's not special if you have to basically boss someone into doing the bare minimum.

And honestly, multiple posts on here from women who's husbands don't even brush their teeth. We are not their mothers and there's nothing more unsexy than having to treat a man like a toddler.

I see both sides here. The teeth thing, sure, no excuse. I can 100% understand why this is a deal breaker. But the rest, I sort of see as a negative feedback loop, and I think there has to be a bit of give and take from both sides.

If sex is infrequent, he is WAY less likely to exercise his orgasmic control. I think this is true for most men. If you haven't had chocolate in a year, it's amazing when you return to it. If sex is infrequent, that sensation and buzz is going to make him go in half the time of a 'regular'. The less it happens, the worse it gets. Sadly, the quicker he goes, the less she wants it.

Same with dates and foreplay, and I think this is true for many relationships. At the start of a relationship, dates and foreplay often lead to sex. As the relationship grinds on, the 'conversion rate' naturally gets less and less. As such, many men see it as a wasted investment. Why take her out on dates if there's no sex? Why invest in lots of seduction, presents, effort, etc, if it's a coin flip?

There's are numerous papers saying women's sex drives naturally decline (for various reasons), while men's tend to stay fairly consistent. This is what I mean by conversion rate. If he puts in the same effort, he's going to get less and less return... and as the relationship goes on, the less effort he puts in, the less she subsequently wants sex too, so the less effort he puts in.

I think there's a danger for this to happen on both sides. It's easy for small things on both sides to snowball.