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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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ottersinmotion · 16/11/2024 20:09

And making DS's twin meet the baby for the first time on a walk and then creating a massive fuss about it...DIL is NOT normal, and I don't blame OP for her feelings one bit.

The child is 3 years old so was born in 2021? Nobody really understood the impact of covid and covid vaccination on pregnancy and infants. DH may have exposed his newborn and newly postpartum wife to covid. It was a perfectly normal reaction for a hormonal, exhausted, and scared new mother to create a fuss about that.

How quickly we all forget what our lives were like in 2020/ 2021...

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 16/11/2024 11:38

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 20:35

How very tit for tat still that update was. Very haha dil protected her inheritance but haha that means my son protected his investments which is now worth more mwahahahah

Tho in England prenups are not often worth much anyway.

It all
just comes across as very petty and spiteful the way you write about your daughter in law tbh.

Edited

It does, doesn't it? The more OP posts the more I can see why DIL keeps her at arms length.
She thinks way too much about DIL..

NoisyDenimShaker · 16/11/2024 11:15

emmypa · 15/11/2024 16:25

You have my sympathy OP. It seems like you have done everything you can to be kind and you should stop beating yourself up about the c-section comment. I don't think you've actually done anything wrong here. More likely, it sounds like your DIL is just very busy and content with the setup she has in her life, and she's choosing to keep you at arms length. She's probably afraid that if she includes you more often then it would become a habit, one that she's not willing to agree to. I wouldn't suggest that you say anything about it either because most likely, your DS has at least mentioned to her your concerns. In fact, it might make things even icier than they already are. I do think that once a month is not unreasonable for them to visit with you. I'd continue to invite them to yours and take what you can get, even if it's not your ideal.

This is a very sensible comment.

OP, you'll probably see ore of them as they get older. Once they're no longer so little, it will be harder for DIL to justify her DH not taking them to yours for a day etc.

NoisyDenimShaker · 16/11/2024 11:09

OP, try to ignore some of the really nasty responses on here. They're probably from people who are themselves keeping GC away from GP. There's a LOT of it about.

I understand completely why you don't like your DIL, and I don't think your posts are dripping with disdain or whatever people have said at all. I think you've been quite measured.

There's a few guilty consciences on here!

NoisyDenimShaker · 16/11/2024 11:06

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 20:41

I agree and this is probably still ops toned down version to not sound too critical. This is her I love my dil but don’t understand why she keeps us at arms length version.

I don't agree with either of these takes. OP's DIL is gatekeeping the GC, not letting them go to hers for a day with their dad, is weird about their gifts, won't have her to stay, and it sounds like she would have much less access without DS fighting her corner.

So how do you expect that she should feel? Of course she doesn't like her! No one would, in OP's shoes.

Her response to her kids' dad taking the eldest to his mother's for the day is "No way would I let that happen." And making DS's twin meet the baby for the first time on a walk and then creating a massive fuss about it...DIL is NOT normal, and I don't blame OP for her feelings one bit.

It's very unfair for someone to be blamed for reacting to bad treatment.

LakieLady · 16/11/2024 10:05

CrazyGoatLady · 15/11/2024 21:48

It really comes across that OP just doesn't like the DIL one bit and thinks her son can do no wrong. If people on an internet forum can pick up on that, you bet the DIL has!

This.

And it's perfectly understandable that DIL is closer to her own parents than her ILs, most people are, even when their ILs aren't judgey and resentful that they they don't get to see the DGCs as much the other GPs do.

Dishwashersaurous · 16/11/2024 09:55

Also, one a month, when he frequently works 1/2 weekends a month, is a massive amount to see them. Particularly as you don't just pop in for an hour for a cup of tea but seemingly have an entire weekend, and then your son even pays for a hotel for you.

So you take out a whole weekend and cost money.

In a normal month their weekends look like

  1. He works all weekend
  2. The in-laws visit and have to be entertained
  3. He works all weekend
  4. Family time

She gets her husband one weekend a month to actually do stuff with.

Blahdeblah24 · 16/11/2024 09:38

@PussInBin20 Generally I find men much easier to talk to - women are far more complicated and in my experience read into things/cause more drama over things I wouldn’t even think about!

Well the OP is a classic example of a woman creating drama over a perfectly reasonable set up because she wants to stamp her feet and see her grandchildren when it suits her.

GlasgowGal82 · 16/11/2024 09:34

ManhattanPopcorn · 12/11/2024 20:56

I'm wondering if her issue is actually with him and not with you. Given how much he works and how it sounds like the mental load is falling entirely to her, I'm wondering if they argued and she decided to disengage and leave it entirely up to him to deal with his side of the family.

Edited

I'd put my money on this. My husband is not an organiser and I decided early on in my relationship that I didn't have the time or the headspace to deal with all of the logistics of our joint lives. One of the obvious ways to divide this up a bit more evenly is to put your husband in charge of making arrangements with his own family. I love my in-laws to bits and I can tell this has put a bit of distance between us, but it's absolutely necessary for my mental health. I do pester him to contact them and to make arrangements if I think it's been too long, or if something big is coming up, but I never take the initiative. In writing this I am reflecting that I probably should have been upfront with my MIL that I was doing this, but I suppose I presumed that as a modern woman who had a career herself she would understand. 15 years in and I suspect she always expected us as the women to be the ones who make the arrangements!

Blahdeblah24 · 16/11/2024 09:33

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 20:44

Some people have suggested that DS not wanting to take kids alone to see me is "my take on it" - there have been occasions where DS2 said he's going to visit home, suggested DS1 joins, DS1 said he'd love to go and take the eldest child, to which DIL rolled her eyes and said "no way would I let that happen" - even for the day.

What am I basing it on that she is frosty with siblings - well she wouldn't let DS2 visit until the 6 week check or otherwise meet the baby but DS1 just went ahead with it anyway, she's been hot and cold with various of DS2's girlfriends and no pattern has been found as to why she loved or hated any of them, she's unenthusiastic basically whenever any of them visit (and unenthusiastic at Sunday lunches - but knows they'd still happen, just without her if she objects) unless it's DD1 for a play date

So your little prince son is an incredibly successful businessman in the wider world but domestically he’s under the total control of his wife. Really!?

It sounds like you delight in asking your other children how your DIL has been so you can add titbits to your dossier on her. You really dislike her, why do you think she would possibly want to see you at all without her husband there?

Someone upthread has just made a good point about the first baby being born under Covid times, particularly scary for parents of newborns and extra concern for older relatives - could this have been a factor?

Bearbookagainandagain · 16/11/2024 07:20

OP, everything you describe points to your DIL having a strong, controlling personality. Potentially anxiety as well as she seems to have trust issues.

It's not about you or what you've done, you need to move on from that idea.
Your DS seems happy with his life and is including you as much as he can (1+ visit a month is more than a lot of GPs get). Although your DIL's attitude is upsetting while you are there, she is not openly hostile.
I think you need to bite the bullet and continue as you are doing, focusing on your relationship with your son and grandchildren, and ignoring your DIL. You might be back in favour one day, who knows. But most importantly you'll have built strong bonds with your GCs, and this will pay back when they are old enough to make their own decisions.

Lampzade · 16/11/2024 04:17

lawlessland · 15/11/2024 21:24

The disdain and judgment honestly pours from every post. The OP is being careful with their works but the subtext is so clear.

OP’s daughter in law knows that she ( op) doesn’t like her .
I don’t know Op, but she clearly resents her DIL and this is what the DIL has picked up on.

PussInBin20 · 16/11/2024 00:02

Some really harsh and imo unjustified comments on here. OP if you know anything about Mumsnet, it’s that MILs and Stepmothers are hated, so you won’t get much unbiased advice.

FWIW I think she’s just taken a dislike of you for whatever reason. Probably you will never know why. Maybe she feels slightly threatened by your closeness with your DS? She is perhaps showing you that she is now the more important one in his life?

Generally I find men much easier to talk to - women are far more complicated and in my experience read into things/cause more drama over things I wouldn’t even think about!

mollyfolk · 15/11/2024 23:22

I have to say you do sound very nice. I don't have a good relationship with my in-laws any more but it is so complicated and honestly they are hard work.

I do think you need to stop blaming DIL who is not bothered about you and focus on your son; it's his responsibility to keep up the relationship, and remember as the kids get older they will dictate more: my kids love my in-laws. They badger my DH to see them. Focus on building a relationship with them. It will pay you back.

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 15/11/2024 23:17

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 15/11/2024 22:51

I would be mildly surprised if it hasn’t got back already. Quite identifiable from some of the details

I thought it was a given you protected the personal information people close to you give to you in trust. Apparently not

I hope dil sees this and cuts mil out of her life. Who needs enemies with a mil like that.

KnittingKnewbie · 15/11/2024 23:11

ManhattanPopcorn · 12/11/2024 20:56

I'm wondering if her issue is actually with him and not with you. Given how much he works and how it sounds like the mental load is falling entirely to her, I'm wondering if they argued and she decided to disengage and leave it entirely up to him to deal with his side of the family.

Edited

This is the case with a friend of mine. Her husband made some comment about her not organizing to see HIS parents enough. So now she doesn't organize to see them at all and he can now sort it himself. And he doesn't

Alicecatto · 15/11/2024 22:52

OP, you get to see your grandkids once a month. It is normal for your DIL to be closer to her mum than you. Leave them in peace.

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 15/11/2024 22:51

lasagnelle · 15/11/2024 22:48

Hopefully she doesn't recognise herself but if she does then OP has blown the relationship right out the water

I would be mildly surprised if it hasn’t got back already. Quite identifiable from some of the details

I thought it was a given you protected the personal information people close to you give to you in trust. Apparently not

lasagnelle · 15/11/2024 22:48

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 15/11/2024 22:48

OP is on the internet discussing whether DIL had a C section or vaginal birth. Very personal information she only has due to having access to DIL. Total breach of trust

I would think twice about allowing her close to me too.

Hopefully she doesn't recognise herself but if she does then OP has blown the relationship right out the water

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 15/11/2024 22:48

ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 22:38

It's a bit chicken and egg - posters are saying OP dislikes dil and that's why dil is cold, but maybe dil was cold and that's why OP isn't keen!

OP is on the internet discussing whether DIL had a C section or vaginal birth. Very personal information she only has due to having access to DIL. Total breach of trust

I would think twice about allowing her close to me too.

ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 22:38

It's a bit chicken and egg - posters are saying OP dislikes dil and that's why dil is cold, but maybe dil was cold and that's why OP isn't keen!

Overthemountaim · 15/11/2024 22:28

You mentioned something about outdated or differing communication styles earlier and that did get me thinking. My own mother talks a lot, you can never just be quiet together and she really over relates. As in whatever you say/ mention she will always always respond with long anecdotes of ‘that happened to me/someone I know’ type stuff. It’s very grating but I know she sees that as how to connect, how it’s done. And it is a bit but it also comes under the heading of ‘making everything about yourself.’ I think a more modern way of communicating is not trying too hard, letting the other person tell their tale without making it about yourself, perhaps just asking questions.
Also the stuff you said about how your own mother related to her dil, that does sound quite overbearing, especially the complimenting thing! I have always found it quite annoying the ‘we must begin our interactions by praising each others looks’ thing, you don’t in general by the time you’ve a couple of kids want your appearance to be assessed and scrutinised every time you see someone, I know it’s just small talk and breaking the ice, manners type stuff but nobody does that to men!
There could be so many different things going on, perhaps just keep relations as cordial as possible, it’s quite likely that in five years time or so when the kids are less tiny your DIL will be more than happy to pack her DH and kids off to you for a weekend, but not if there’s been a falling out…

ottersinmotion · 15/11/2024 22:27

Stop gossiping about DIL behind her back with your friends and family. Stop hyper-analyzing every little thing she says or does. It's likely gotten back to her and she's not telling you anything even slightly important ever again.

Also, your GC are covid babies. She may have had little choice about how many people she could allow to visit. My DC were not covid babies - but we were in a local pertussis epidemic and my doctor scared the crap out of me. No visitors who were not recently vaccinated and no going out until they were 8 weeks old and had their first vaccine. My parents and BIL were the only visitors during the first two months as MIL refused vaccination.

Nothing2CHere · 15/11/2024 22:27

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 20:44

Some people have suggested that DS not wanting to take kids alone to see me is "my take on it" - there have been occasions where DS2 said he's going to visit home, suggested DS1 joins, DS1 said he'd love to go and take the eldest child, to which DIL rolled her eyes and said "no way would I let that happen" - even for the day.

What am I basing it on that she is frosty with siblings - well she wouldn't let DS2 visit until the 6 week check or otherwise meet the baby but DS1 just went ahead with it anyway, she's been hot and cold with various of DS2's girlfriends and no pattern has been found as to why she loved or hated any of them, she's unenthusiastic basically whenever any of them visit (and unenthusiastic at Sunday lunches - but knows they'd still happen, just without her if she objects) unless it's DD1 for a play date

Girlfriends. So DS2 also been hot and cold with them since I assuming he hasn’t been dating them all at once ?

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 15/11/2024 22:23

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 15/11/2024 22:11

You have shown your colours over the thread @helpamilout , you’re absolutely vile.

I have a prenup as I come from old money. Most old money families protect their money this way, to be included in my family’s will I had to have a prenup (I also married a man from a family that has no intergenerational weath). I imagine her family told/made her do this and it’s sensible because it weeds out and protects your child/yourself from gold diggers. The fact you are gleeful, has really shown you cannot stand her and you’re glad she’s been ‘one upped’.

There’s not a thing wrong with prenups.

You know what’s less romantic than a prenup? A messy divorce without one.

And I don’t come from inter generational wealth.

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