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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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LeoOakley · 17/11/2024 13:23

Op, assuming you are entirely genuine, your dil just sounds unkind.

Yes, she was sweet etc while dating your son...

But all changed once their relationship became very serious with a pregnancy.

You claim she nitpicks over material being 100% cotton and was scornful over a bubble machine gift. 🙄

I have known situations like this. Your dil doesn't give a shit about you, or your position in her dc lives. She doesn't need to be sweet and polite anymore.

Your relationship with your dgc is entirely on your ds. Don't expect anything from his wife. She doesn't care. It happens, sadly. She doesn't consider you now your son is 'hers'.

As upsetting as it is, I would focus on your other dc and simply continue to let your son know you are there for them.

Dutch1e · 17/11/2024 12:32

To be blunt, you're not really needed in the sense of day-to-day support, or living in close proximity, the things that so often forge a relationship between in-laws.

So the only way left to connect with your DIL is as women who like each other. Did you ever have the foundations of a friendship outside of your son and later outside of your grandchildren?

If that is absent, it seems a lost cause. Better to enjoy the monthly visits with your grandchildren and let the rest lie.

Dishwashersaurous · 17/11/2024 12:24

What do you want from this thread?

Lots of people have suggested practical things you could, and also suggested that once a month is actually a lot to visit.

However, its clear that you don't like her. Don't agree with her choices.

So what is that you want?

Unicornsanddiscoballs91 · 17/11/2024 12:23

standardduck · 17/11/2024 11:26

Ahhh... If your first DGC was born during pandemic that of course you didn't see them right away. It makes even more sense now.

OP is dripping in order to get her narrative across.

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 12:21

My eldest grandchild was born in late 2021. Of course she may have been worried that our whole family, including us, his elderly parents, who lead a pretty low key life, were likely to bring COVID to them. But in that case, why wasn't she as worried about her own family and friends or the many people who met the baby before us? Why was she happy to fly on a plane multiple times in her pregnancy throughout 2021 and with a 2.5 month baby? Why have a huge baby shower, surely more dangerous that a granny visiting?

COVID was not the reason for the delay, she was never particularly careful about it (and neither was my son tbh). They'd been to plenty of large gatherings, big birthday parties, holidays etc throughout

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MaggieMcGill · 17/11/2024 12:02

What are Christmases, birthdays and special occasions like OP? Do you get together as a family often? What are her family dynamics? Is she an only child or does she have brothers and sisters that she see”s regularly? Do they have friends come over to their house or stay overnight? I think your dil sounds very selfish but I can’t understand why your son is letting her get away with it. It is his house and his children too. Believe me, I have my own PIL issues but if I ever treated them like this our relationship would be over. You are family, you love your son and you want a relationship with your grandkids. Which is only natural. I think your son needs to step up here and instead of paying for a hotel, say you are staying over in one of the spare bedrooms. If she doesn’t like it, she can go and spent the weekend with her parents.

Also, when you are actually allowed to visit, do you ever just chill out at their house or are activities planned so that you are out all the time?

standardduck · 17/11/2024 11:26

Ahhh... If your first DGC was born during pandemic that of course you didn't see them right away. It makes even more sense now.

Dishwashersaurous · 17/11/2024 10:47

Actually I just realised that the older child was born in the pandemic.

Depending on the rules at the time could well of not actually been allowed to meet anyone, but could have bubbled with her parents.

So actually the six weeks seem a lot more sensible in that context

Wellingtonspie · 17/11/2024 10:06

Bachboo · 17/11/2024 09:44

Honestly I think you are doing a fair amount of projecting here

I was purely spinning her story around it was meant to be complete bs or maybe it’s the truth in the relationship who knows.

Op was at such pains to paint the dil as some horrid controlling women trying to cut off his entire family when actually she sees his siblings quite a bit, willingly. Unless she is forced too. It’s just op she’s not so keen on clearly.

Bachboo · 17/11/2024 09:47

GelatinousDynamo · 15/11/2024 21:23

I was sympathetic at first, but each new post just makes you sound more mean-spirited and spiteful, @helpamilout . Your DIL has definitely picked up on how you feel about her and (rightly) is not prepared to do anything to accommodate you beyond whatever your son sees as the bare minimum. Can't blame her... I wouldn't want to spend my free time with you either.

What you have said is spiteful. You don’t know the op but you seem very keen to assasinate her character

Bachboo · 17/11/2024 09:44

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 20:57

So what you are now saying is that your son forces her to have family holidays and dinner gatherings with people regularly that she really doesn’t want to but feels she must to please your son.. while his also never home to actually give her true love and support to raise the children he wanted in the idea of needing money when they have more than enough.

See how you can turn this around right… son keeps wifey trapped at home with cleaners and cooks making sure everything is how he wants. Her only escape is to her own parents away from this “perfect” life he puts on display, blaming his wife for everything that doesn’t work how his mother wants to still be the perfect son.

Not right no. But so easy to flip the story.

Honestly I think you are doing a fair amount of projecting here

Unicornsanddiscoballs91 · 17/11/2024 09:28

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:38

Maybe she doesn’t want to put you out? Have you offered to babysit?

Yes I've offered to babysit many many times. The answer is usually either "no need, I don't like leaving them" or the conversation goes like this
DIL: oh it's okay, my mum will be covering it
Me: ok, well maybe if you need it next time you've got a doctors appointment, I'd love to do it?
DIL: yes I'll let you know if it's needed
[invites mum again next time]

Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you.
Perhaps I was wrong on this? But I was sure that's the case, as firstly for me it was true, it was the case for a lot of my friends too. However, we all have birth 30+ years ago so things could have changed.

I can't speak for natural births as I've had 2 sections in 8 years and the first time emergency was hell on earth, had soo much pain was in hosp from Tuesday-Monday with a husband who I already really didn't want, and the trauma of the birth, I found recovery both physically and mentally tireless and hard bloody work. I can't speak for naturals but I always thought sections were longer recovering time (can't drive for 8 weeks etc)

Bachboo · 17/11/2024 09:25

Floofypuppy · 12/11/2024 22:43

her "mental load" is reduced by the fact there's a housekeeper for 3 days, all the cooking is done for her and all the cleaning. She says she's loving being a SAHM and jokes that she's not made for cooking or cleaning so thank goodness she doesn't have to do it.

and ladies and gentleman, there it is. No wonder she doesn’t want to hang out with you.

Don’t be so ridiculous

Scentedjasmin · 17/11/2024 09:11

Brefugee · 12/11/2024 20:35

for most couples it is up to the son/husband to keep up the relationship with his family.

It is supremely natural for a woman to be much much closer to her own mother when she has a child etc etc. Even though he works long hours, there is nothing at all stopping your son from arranging to visit you, or have you visit them.

Well there is actually. If the DIL has had the baby by herself all day and is absolutely knackered, the last thing that she will want is her husband buggering off for a weekend or to visit the in laws. Probably the last thing that he wants either. It's a shame, but unfortunately young children and spouses working long hours is extremely tough and relentless on all involved. Could you suggest that you and your son and the kids meet up half way for lunch once in a while instead?

Screwcorona · 17/11/2024 08:52

Hi this sounds really unfair and I would not have expected my in laws to wait a month whilst bringing my mum in to see baby at a day. It sounds like she did really like you. All I can think is that either

A. Someone has had bad in law experience and warned her to share less.
B. She's been upset by something you've said or done but not discussed it with you,.so you don't even know what the issue is.

It's a really hard one to deal.eith because whilst baby is young there is also a tiredness aspect and everything seems so much more of a big deal. I'd speak to your son again on this and press him to find out if you've said something she's gotten upset about. If that the case try to be understanding and aim to resolve it rather than get into right and wrongs because ultimately if you can rebuild the relationship then you'll be able to spend more time with your family.
I wish you the best and hope you're able to find out what the issue is.

TheDisgustingBrothers · 17/11/2024 08:51

I don’t have children with my partner but something I started doing a few years into our relationship was leaving his relationship with his parents to him.

when we first started dating I would push and encourage him to text them more, see them more, include them etc but then I realised it was too much energy to do that for him whilst also maintaining healthy relationships with my parents and family.

perhaps this is the same, you should be asking your son to coordinate visits and send pictures. It’s as much his baby as it is hers. Perhaps she is feeling the pressure from all angles & in reality it’s your son who should put in the work with you.

standardduck · 17/11/2024 08:43

It doesn't sound like she likes you and you don't seem to like her either. Some of your posts about her are a bit critical and almost jealous like.

I don't think there is anything wrong with you seeing your DGC once per month. It sounds like their weekends together are rare as it is with your DS working a lot.

Nothing wrong with her being close to her family and preferring to spend time with them.

I don't see you are going to get a close knit relationship with her and that's ok.

Focus on keeping your relationship going with your son and see them when you are invited.

You can't force closeness.

olympicsrock · 17/11/2024 07:06

I’ve read all the OP posts. My take on this is that DIL is just very uptight and not very nice. She doesn’t like OP much and would rather spend her time with her own family .

OP once a month is fine , perhaps back off a little as you risk annoying DIL more and her pushing you away further. Focus on maintaining a loving relationship with your son for now .

nationalsausagefund · 17/11/2024 06:48

It’s interesting the OP doesn’t mention the pandemic factor at all in the anecdotes about not meeting the baby, there being a fight after the twin met the baby, etc. I’d LOVE to see DIL’s version of OP’s narrative with this one; I think a lot is being left out.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 16/11/2024 22:12

Just a thought about not meeting baby until a month old. From the ages you have shared DIL would have been pregnant through the pandemic and DGC born just as we were coming out of it.
I think a lot of people were extremely uncomfortable about visitors at that point and understandably so.
I also think being a mum of a newborn at this time must have been anxiety inducing even for people not at all predisposed to being anxious.

It's easy for those of us who had babies in other times to roll out eyes at this.

Oriunda · 16/11/2024 20:33

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 13:34

  1. Did your DS's twin or his sister who lives nearby them get to meet your sons DC1 or DC2 before you?
    None of them were "allowed" to meet the baby until after a month. DS said his brother will meet the baby, DIL said she'd like to be recovered before ... in short DS just arranged to meet his twin on a walk when he took the baby out / DIL was resting at home and informed DIL of this rather than asked her permission. I know this led to a big argument.

  2. You have offered to babysit 'many, many times' how old are the DC involved?
    The older DC is 3, the youngest will turn 1 next month.

  3. When your son only has 2 free weekends a month do you think it's fair to expect to see him on more than one of those?
    I've explained that it really varies from month to month. When he is working 2 full weekends (rare) then yes it's not fair for us to occupy one whole weekend of those 2 weekends... but as I've also said we rarely stay overnight or see them both days, it's more of "has happened occasionally" rather than the norm.
    If he's working a full weekends or one weekend each of 2 weekends, I don't think there's anything wrong with us coming for a day once a month or even staying overnight in a nearby hotel (which, again, as I've said, rarely happens). And there's certainly nothing wrong with DIL making the effort to be polite. There's also nothing wrong with us visiting for an hour or two during the week if we're in London anyway, regardless of whether DS is there or not.

I don’t get on with my MIL; the feeling is entirely mutual. There’s no way I’d want her visiting if my DH wasn’t there. Regardless of whether your DIL likes you or not, I don’t see why you need to pop in if your DS isn’t there. You visit on his time, not hers.

Wellingtonspie · 16/11/2024 20:26

CustardCreams2 · 16/11/2024 20:25

They’re absolutely not upheld in the vast majority of cases. My dh is a lawyer. With 2 children, and not a short marriage, it would go out the window.

Add to the fact she’s fully funded as a sahm with cook and cleaner.

Shes likely clean up 😉 in a divorce.

Though hopefully they have a lovely long marriage probably much to the op’s disgust.

CustardCreams2 · 16/11/2024 20:25

helpamilout · 16/11/2024 20:19

@CustardCreams2 I wouldn't worry for either of them as sufficient legal advice has been obtained. Not legally binding but upheld in the vast majority of cases

They’re absolutely not upheld in the vast majority of cases. My dh is a lawyer. With 2 children, and not a short marriage, it would go out the window.

helpamilout · 16/11/2024 20:19

@CustardCreams2 I wouldn't worry for either of them as sufficient legal advice has been obtained. Not legally binding but upheld in the vast majority of cases

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CustardCreams2 · 16/11/2024 20:13

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 20:31

@Gummybear23 @thepariscrimefiles @Wellingtonspie
I don't want to leave DS out of the will because he's not done anything wrong, he's doing his absolute best to make sure we can see DGC when he's around and I don't blame him for putting DIL first because... rightly or wrongly we've taught him that it's natural to find a partner, build a family, that family where you're the parent comes above friends / parents etc and it's what he would have seen myself and DH do.

Also - given DS's business and current financial position due to its success I don't think our inheritance will make much difference.

And whoever mentioned DIL's inheritance that won't benefit my DS as it's protected by a prenup (which was initiated by DIL but now worked out in DS's favour because since she was protecting her inheritance he argued he should be able to protect certain investments he's made - not the main business - and the investments have ended up being worth far more than her inheritance ever will be)

Pre nups in the UK arn’t worth the paper they’re written on. They’re not legally binding here and a court can just ignore them, especially in divorces where there are children involved.