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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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Procrastinatingpeacock · 17/11/2024 19:38

OP I posted quite early on in this thread saying that I saw a lot of similarities between your relationship with your DIL and the one I have with my MIL, and that the more you push the more she will back away. I've followed the thread since and everything you have said has reinforced my view. You cannot make her like you, you cannot make her spend more time with you, and if you go ahead with this conversation with your DS I can guarantee that you will end up seeing your grandchildren less and making the atmosphere worse when you do see them.

I'm.not sure what you want from this thread. Is it for everyone to say that you're right and that your DIL is wrong? Maybe that's the case but it doesn't really matter - you have to decide whether it's better to be right or to be happy. Seeing grandchildren and your DS for quality time once a month may not be as much as you want, but if you force the issue you are likely to see that reduce even further whether or not you are "right".

Blahdeblah24 · 17/11/2024 19:11

You know the old adage, men marry their mothers?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/two-thirds-men-choose-partners-14184512
It could well be this is an ongoing power struggle.

We ALL have things that annoy us about our own family and inlaws but as they are very unlikley to change the only thing really in your control is the way you respond to it. So you can get frustrated, cause drama and upset or you can think that's annoying and let it wash over you. After all it's only once a month but if you are determined to pick the scab then it may well bleed...

Two-thirds of men choose partners like their mothers, study reveals

The study, by dating site eHarmony, found that 64% of men go for women with the same personality traits as their mums

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/two-thirds-men-choose-partners-14184512

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 19:08

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 18:40

@Apolloneuro no, I don't get everything I want in life, but I do come from a no-drama family and wonder what's caused this attitude

@ABirdsEyeView that's the approach I plan to take - have either of done something wrong, what's caused the atmosphere

You’ve started a very public thread about personal matters. Not really a no drama approach

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 19:00

Apolloneuro · 17/11/2024 18:55

When the thread started, it seemed to be about a grandmother being kept from her grandchildren. As it’s progressed, it seems more like it’s a matter of principle and pride for you @helpamilout Apologies if I’m wrong.

You're putting your needs ahead of your son’s here. Do you think he’s going to go home to his wife and demand she’s nicer to you? Do you want to introduce conflict into their marriage. I speak from experience here, unfortunately.

If you feel that you must speak about it, speak directly to your daughter in law. Don’t put your son into a position between you. Again, you won’t like the outcome.

OP has a very normal amount of contact. It’s about getting 100% her own way. I don’t think anyone else’s needs or feelings are of any concern yo her tbh. It’s all about OP

At least on this matter at this moment in time

Apolloneuro · 17/11/2024 18:55

When the thread started, it seemed to be about a grandmother being kept from her grandchildren. As it’s progressed, it seems more like it’s a matter of principle and pride for you @helpamilout Apologies if I’m wrong.

You're putting your needs ahead of your son’s here. Do you think he’s going to go home to his wife and demand she’s nicer to you? Do you want to introduce conflict into their marriage. I speak from experience here, unfortunately.

If you feel that you must speak about it, speak directly to your daughter in law. Don’t put your son into a position between you. Again, you won’t like the outcome.

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 18:52

Gummybear23 · 17/11/2024 17:31

💯
This woman wants her son.
She be happy if he was divorced.
But you know what then suddenly she would be too busy to help with child care.

Ask yourself OP @helpamilout .

WHY THE HELL ARE YOU DETERMINED TO RUIN YOUR SoN's MARRIAGE?

Also how was the relationship with your MIL?
Did you build your life around her requests?

It feels like it’s not even about the DGC. It’s about making DIL do what OP wants. OP already gets a very normal amount of contact with the DGC for the circumstances. It feels to me she is used to getting everything her own way and doesn’t like being told no. She despises DILs ability to set and hold boundaries

our boundaries are different for each person. They need to be firmer with people that don’t respect them.

That’s how it feels anyway

Wellingtonspie · 17/11/2024 18:51

The attitude could simply be a case of different personalities.

You come from a no drama family you keep saying. But where is the drama. I see no fights or bad words. Just cold politeness. The bubble machine they were going to buy. She doesn’t like being away from her children even with their father who honestly it doesn’t seem like he spends much time with them again so kinda understandable when she’s a stay at home mum.

Likelyhood is just somethings rubbed her slightly wrongly since having children with maybe your parenting style or just your extra demands on her time like she wasn’t worth it before when she was trying.

I can tell my mother not to do something with my child and she will respect it or challenge it but still ultimately respect it. My mil when I’ve dared challenge has still just done what she wanted regardless even on basic things. It wouldn’t make me want her to be alone with my children. Couldn’t even get though a simple meal without her reminding every 30seconds to give water, said water than if you left child with when not drinking would just throw on the floor so it was clearly extremely helpful and not at all I know how to aren’t better than you.

Also I’m not sure your meal is that wise honestly because simply he will if a good husband go home and tell his wife all the issues you have with her unless you frame it as how can we help dil feel more comfortable with us because we are worried we have upset her. If you got for the attack you can expect to get bitten back.

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 17/11/2024 18:44

Blahdeblah24 · 17/11/2024 16:50

Well good luck to your son as having shaken off his overbearing demanding wife to get to go out for dinner he's going to be met by... an overbearing woman wanting to put demands on him😂

You know what OP…it’s not too late to listen to people.

you say your son works long hours. They have small children. His relax time is probably precious and scarce

You say you and DS never go to dinner just the two of you.

Why do this? Why add stress to his life by inviting him out to criticise his wife? Why not take stress away from him by giving him a pleasant evening?

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 18:40

@Apolloneuro no, I don't get everything I want in life, but I do come from a no-drama family and wonder what's caused this attitude

@ABirdsEyeView that's the approach I plan to take - have either of done something wrong, what's caused the atmosphere

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Wexone · 17/11/2024 18:39

Gardenbird123 · 17/11/2024 18:28

You have an arranged visit once a month? With lots of activities? That's a good start.
Maybe start the babysitting thing by just taking the kids to the park for an hour during one of your arranged visits.
Pay for your own hotel and arrange it yourself x

if you read ops posts she clearly says she is not allowed bababysit at all. she will not be let by dil take children for an hour to the park

Gardenbird123 · 17/11/2024 18:28

You have an arranged visit once a month? With lots of activities? That's a good start.
Maybe start the babysitting thing by just taking the kids to the park for an hour during one of your arranged visits.
Pay for your own hotel and arrange it yourself x

thepariscrimefiles · 17/11/2024 18:28

You have said that your DIL was initially polite and friendly but has changed. The birth of children often changes the relationship between a DIL and her MIL, as a previously more relaxed relationship becomes more fraught and comparisons with the maternal grandparents are made.

You seemed more reasonable at the start of the thread but you are revealing your true feelings about your DIL the more you post. I don't think you like her at all.

You do have a good amount of contact with your grandchildren, seeing them at least once a month and you alternate Christmas with each set of grandparents. You have a lot of children and I think you see yourself as the matriarch who normally runs the show. This doesn't work with this DIL.

Do you expect your son to chastise his wife on your behalf and that everything will be fine? You are risking ruining the relationship forever.

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 18:28

Polly47 · 17/11/2024 17:52

Maybe it's not you.....have you considered perhaps your husband, Dh's Dad has done something, said something or behaved inappropriately?

Also how was your son's childhood? Could it be that stories shared between your son and his wife has brought up something she's deeply uncomfortable with? E.g smacking or other forms of discipline?

Also how was your son's childhood? Could it be that stories shared between your son and his wife has brought up something she's deeply uncomfortable with? E.g smacking or other forms of discipline?

His childhood was good, I'd say? Whenever the kids talk about their childhood it's fondly, happy memories. We didn't have anything particularly traumatic happen, we've never shouted or smacked our children. If there is anything, I really can't think what it might be and it hasn't been mentioned to me personally...

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Blahdeblah24 · 17/11/2024 18:10

So you've been staying at your DDs this weekend and stewing about your DIL on mumsnet the whole time? Seems slightly bonkers behaviour.

Echoing previous posters in that it is obvious you love your family but be very careful that in requesting to see them more/want your DIL behaviour to change you don't actually drive a wedge between you. They are busy and giving you as much of their time as they want/are able to. It's likely you will see more of the DC as they get older and travel becomes easier just try and be a bit patient.

You are going to see your son for dinner tomorrow (Nov) & their whole family are coming to you in December. Count your blessings of what you do have not what you don't.

Apolloneuro · 17/11/2024 18:04

Rightly or wrongly, one cannot demand respect, however much one is determined to receive it.

Go careful. Perhaps consider whether your demand to be respected is worth stressing your son out over. I’d say it’s almost 💯 likely to fail.

Nobody can make this blinking DIL feel about you the way you wish she would. Maybe things will change in the future. Just keep plugging away with being kind and pleasant.

I can understand how you feel, but if you put your son into battle on your behalf, you will lose. out of interest, do you normally get what you want in life?

standardduck · 17/11/2024 18:03

I'd be very careful what you say to your son, because you might make it worse. He is likely going to tell his wife about the conversation and you might push her away even further.

I am really not sure what you are hoping to get out of this. You can't force her to like you and to want to suddenly spend time with you.

I was feeling a bit sorry for you after reading your first posts, but your subsequent posts are making you sound a bit overbearing and jealous.

I echo what others said, thread carefully if you want to keep a close relationship with your son. Don't let him be stuck between his DW and his DM.

ABirdsEyeView · 17/11/2024 18:01

Tread carefully OP. See how the conversation with your son evolves over dinner. Even if you are completely right in everything you say, he might feel attacked and therefore defensive. Because ultimately he's chosen to marry dil, so any questioning of her behaviour which comes across as criticism of her (however gentle), could be taken as criticism of him too.
If you are going to do this I'd approach it from a position of whether you've done something to inadvertently offend her. More concern than attack.

Polly47 · 17/11/2024 17:52

Maybe it's not you.....have you considered perhaps your husband, Dh's Dad has done something, said something or behaved inappropriately?

Also how was your son's childhood? Could it be that stories shared between your son and his wife has brought up something she's deeply uncomfortable with? E.g smacking or other forms of discipline?

LinaLouLa · 17/11/2024 17:51

@helpamilout I've read through all your replies/updates. You sound lovely and your DIL frankly sounds horrible. She's rude to you even in the group chat - there's no way your DS hasn't not clocked this and must know what the issue is.
You're not doing anything wrong/OTT from what I've read.
I hope you have a lovely meal with your DS and can get some insight into what her issue is.
PS I've had one vaginal birth and one c section - the recovery after the c section was definitely harder (in response to someone's query earlier).

Wellingtonspie · 17/11/2024 17:50

Husband sounds smart. It’s Why fils don’t tend to have issue with their dils or sils. Much more chilled life is life.

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 17:47

Blahdeblah24 · 17/11/2024 17:35

Instead of just enjoying time with your son on the rare occasion you have dinner together alone you want to nag him about his wife! Do you really think he's going to want to join you for dinner again in the future?

This is what everyone has been saying to you about actually enjoying the time you have together.

@helpamilout does your husband think it's a good idea to speak to your son about this and what on earth are you going to say?

Has this all come about as you are staying in London with your daughter this weekend and they told you they didn't have time to meet with the grandkids this weekend as either your son was working on they wanted time together this weekend so fixed another date with you?

does your husband think it's a good idea to speak to your son about this and what on earth are you going to say?
My husband agrees that DIL is being rude but his take on it is just that that's her, she's rude, my son has married her so I'll be polite but focus on my son. He feels I should speak to her, this is a joint decision because previously he's just said "ah it's all fine" but in fairness I've never given my point of view in detail, it's all been over the phone in the form of "everything ok?" "She's being a little quiet, have we offended her?"

Has this all come about as you are staying in London with your daughter this weekend and they told you they didn't have time to meet with the grandkids this weekend as either your son was working on they wanted time together this weekend so fixed another date with you?
No, neither of the scenarios are correct. This came about because I feel I need to talk to him.

OP posts:
Wordau · 17/11/2024 17:47

Suzuki76 · 15/11/2024 13:42

Given she was shitty about her DH's entire family including his twin meeting the baby for a whole month, I would recommend you actually take this less personally than I initially thought!

Yeah. She sounds like a piece of work from the OP posts. Her DH's business allows her to be SAHM with a housekeeper and cleaner and she treats his family like shit by the sounds of it.

What's her relationship like with her sibling?

I wonder if she's jealous of your family dynamic.

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 17:43

@Gummybear23
I am determined to be treated with respect, the same way I treat her.

My relationship with my MIL (and my husband's with my mum) was very warm. No one built their life around each other's requests of course, but all interactions were friendly, kind, respectful. She was always welcome in our home - she would never turn up unannounced, but whenever she was around / wanted to visit, we'd invite her along. We were also always welcome in her house. Yes, I was closer to my own mum, but that never stopped me being kind to my MIL or never made me forget that she is my kids' grandma. And I am truly very happy that the kids had her in their lives! In general, as a family, we are close and family oriented, family is family, aside from this DIL issue we don't tend to have family drama, big arguments or exclusions.

OP posts:
Isthisit22 · 17/11/2024 17:36

I feel for you as this must be very hard, but I echo other posters saying tread carefully.
It is completely natural for DIL to prefer to be around her family and make much more effort with them.
She is never going to drive the kids to yours as she just doesn’t have the motivation for it. No amount of talking to your son will change this. The likelihood is that you will just give her more reason to avoid you if she feels you are criticising- however unfair that is.
Your son has every right to overrule her and bring the kids to meet you but you’ve already said that he has little time for this and he is unlikely to risk upsetting his wife for you. Once again, this is wholly unfair and rubbish but completely normal.
Only you can judge whether bringing this up will cause your son to feel empowered enough to bring the kids more often, or just cause to make him feel guilty and alienate him as well.
It’s a tough call

Blahdeblah24 · 17/11/2024 17:35

Instead of just enjoying time with your son on the rare occasion you have dinner together alone you want to nag him about his wife! Do you really think he's going to want to join you for dinner again in the future?

This is what everyone has been saying to you about actually enjoying the time you have together.

@helpamilout does your husband think it's a good idea to speak to your son about this and what on earth are you going to say?

Has this all come about as you are staying in London with your daughter this weekend and they told you they didn't have time to meet with the grandkids this weekend as either your son was working on they wanted time together this weekend so fixed another date with you?