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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

OP posts:
Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 19/11/2024 22:22

Oh yes @helpamilout how did it go?

TheGreyPanda · 19/11/2024 11:26

How did it go last night OP?

Blahdeblah24 · 19/11/2024 09:18

I really hope there’s an update from the OP about her dinner out with her son last night.

Then a new thread from the DIL along the lines of:
I can’t believe that my husband went out with his mum last night (I was left with the baby and preschooler but I’m used to that as he works excessively long hrs) & she spent the evening complaining that she doesn’t see enough of us (we see her monthly as she lives 2hrs away and we are going for an early Christmas on 22nd) Then she says she feels unwelcome in our house despite me getting food in for when they come and arranging trips out with the DC & we paid for a hotel for them to extend the visit. I’m really upset as she said she finds it hard to talk to me, for example, when she asked me how long the baby naps & I said ‘it depends’ that wasn’t a satisfactory answer apparently but it really does depend! She moaned I see my parents more than her which I do but I’m happy to be in my pjs breastfeeding at my own parents house but feel more awkward with my PIL. We’ve always seen them regularly ( & we see DHs siblings regularly too, in fact I’m meeting his sister at the park this week)but I feel like I’m going to be treading on eggshells when I see her in the future. Both my husband and I are really upset, he thought he was going for a nice catch up with his mum over dinner and she basically said we don’t spend enough time with her or appreciate her enough. I’m absolutely knackered as the baby is teething & we have had enough of her narcissistic ways!

CrazyGoatLady · 19/11/2024 06:08

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 17:43

@Gummybear23
I am determined to be treated with respect, the same way I treat her.

My relationship with my MIL (and my husband's with my mum) was very warm. No one built their life around each other's requests of course, but all interactions were friendly, kind, respectful. She was always welcome in our home - she would never turn up unannounced, but whenever she was around / wanted to visit, we'd invite her along. We were also always welcome in her house. Yes, I was closer to my own mum, but that never stopped me being kind to my MIL or never made me forget that she is my kids' grandma. And I am truly very happy that the kids had her in their lives! In general, as a family, we are close and family oriented, family is family, aside from this DIL issue we don't tend to have family drama, big arguments or exclusions.

@helpamilout you aren't treating her with respect.

You do passive aggressive things like putting stuff in group chats to subtly call her out and guilt trip her in front of the rest of your family.

You've put a lot of highly identifying information on a public forum about her.

You clearly judge her because of having inherited wealth and you also judge her for having paid help at home.

You seem to think your DS can do no wrong, and place all the blame on her, despite the fact that you do visit once a month, even though they get very little time together as a family because DS works so much. They both facilitate you doing so. And here you are whining on a forum about it not being enough.

I wouldn't respect you either. It goes both ways.

UnRavellingFast · 19/11/2024 02:40

Sadly op your ds has married someone who is not very warm or open. You will have to live round that. Don’t give ds a mum/wife issue, just leave it and enjoy your time when you can. You won’t change her.

Nanny0gg · 19/11/2024 01:34

TheGiddyCritic · 19/11/2024 00:12

Honestly, I think it’s as simple as naturally, she’s closest to her own parents and as a new mother she’s going to want to be around them more — it’s only natural and not a reflection of what she thinks of you.

I disagree

She wants her own mother, yes.

She does not want a MiL.

And she shows it at every turn

I'm really sorry @helpamilout Your son isn't going to fight her so you are just going to have to accept the crumbs she drops you

TheGiddyCritic · 19/11/2024 00:12

Honestly, I think it’s as simple as naturally, she’s closest to her own parents and as a new mother she’s going to want to be around them more — it’s only natural and not a reflection of what she thinks of you.

MaggieMcGill · 18/11/2024 22:44

Quitelikeit · 18/11/2024 22:14

No her son needn’t support her decision to be rude!

Are you the DiL? @summersolsticesoon

Hahaha! I have often wondered if the dil has been a few of the posters.

Quitelikeit · 18/11/2024 22:14

No her son needn’t support her decision to be rude!

Are you the DiL? @summersolsticesoon

summersolsticesoon · 18/11/2024 22:07

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 17:43

@Gummybear23
I am determined to be treated with respect, the same way I treat her.

My relationship with my MIL (and my husband's with my mum) was very warm. No one built their life around each other's requests of course, but all interactions were friendly, kind, respectful. She was always welcome in our home - she would never turn up unannounced, but whenever she was around / wanted to visit, we'd invite her along. We were also always welcome in her house. Yes, I was closer to my own mum, but that never stopped me being kind to my MIL or never made me forget that she is my kids' grandma. And I am truly very happy that the kids had her in their lives! In general, as a family, we are close and family oriented, family is family, aside from this DIL issue we don't tend to have family drama, big arguments or exclusions.

Oh dear
This post changes things somewhat.
Please stop being determined because your daughter in law has choices and your son should support those choices.
Be patient and kind and hope things change as the children get older.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 18/11/2024 21:08

I kinda feel like the OP has never had someone go against her.

She had 4 kids and sees them all every single month except nah e the one slightly further away.
Seems to me like OP needs a hobby.

Gummybear23 · 18/11/2024 18:22

helpamilout · 17/11/2024 17:43

@Gummybear23
I am determined to be treated with respect, the same way I treat her.

My relationship with my MIL (and my husband's with my mum) was very warm. No one built their life around each other's requests of course, but all interactions were friendly, kind, respectful. She was always welcome in our home - she would never turn up unannounced, but whenever she was around / wanted to visit, we'd invite her along. We were also always welcome in her house. Yes, I was closer to my own mum, but that never stopped me being kind to my MIL or never made me forget that she is my kids' grandma. And I am truly very happy that the kids had her in their lives! In general, as a family, we are close and family oriented, family is family, aside from this DIL issue we don't tend to have family drama, big arguments or exclusions.

Leave it.
You clearly dislike her from your drip feeds.
She is avoiding you for perhaps the same reasons.
You are now being vindictive.
You can't demand respect!

You earn it.
Your behaviour shows you have not.

JillMW · 18/11/2024 15:06

To be fair, I haven’t tried this in a while because of how it’s gone in the past, but maybe it’s worth giving it another shot?

oh I am so sorry! You sound really lovely and seem to have tried so hard. Maybe give it one last go and see what happens. Sadly, for what ever reason some people are just tricky!

Fingerscrossedfor2021HK · 18/11/2024 09:20

@helpamilout I would absolutely caution against saying anything to your son. It sounds as though you dislike your DIL for fairly tenuous reasons. “There’s an atmosphere” / “she is cold with us” isn’t a good enough reason to potentially cause issues in your son’s marriage.

If you raise this with your son he will likely not take it well as you will basically be telling him that you don’t like the mother of his children.

You see them for a whole weekend once per month! That’s loads!!! Stop being petty and enjoy the time you do spend with them is my advice.

Wexone · 18/11/2024 08:12

crazyspanner · 17/11/2024 21:09

I have read this thread and I feel for you op, you seem like you really love your family and have tried to extend that to your DIL whilst also respecting their family unit.
I think I am going against the grain here but I feel that DIL should facilitate the relationship with the grandkids even if DS is working (I don't mean daily but the odd hour in the park when OP is already in town). DIL is able to be a shame due to DS work (from what OP has said this seems what both DS and DIL want). I was also a sahm whilst kids were little and did facilitate the relationship with PIL during school holidays whilst my husband was working. Yes I am more relaxed with my parents and they are more helpful when they visit as they know me better but I want my kids to have a good relationship with both sets of grandparents and would hate for them to have thought that one set of grandparents was more important than the other.
I think a conversation with your son is a good idea but like others have said, tread carefully. It may be that your son is not happy but feels stuck in the middle. A non-judgemental chat with his mum might be just what he needs to clear the air and you to understand more what is going on. It may not change anything with DIL but if you son knows you love him and just want him to be happy, I don't think that is a bad thing.
For the people saying OP is being overbearing and a nightmare, honestly think how you would feel if you and your family were not allowed to meet your new family member for a month but all her friends and family did- I don't think there would be many of us that wouldn't be hurt by this.

finally some sense. as I said in my post my family going through similar. her parents are there evey day nearly. we are kept at arms lengths. my parents live across the road from them so it's not like travel far. it really really hurts. any offers babysit etc are a firm no. no photos sent but up on Facebook insta etc. dunno what has happened. say we be lucky if see them over Xmas and belive me it's not from lack of trying

Ibelieve1234 · 18/11/2024 06:55

May I just say what a lovely gm you sound op and my instinct is that dil may feel jealous and threatened by you. All I can say is keep being consistent with the love you obviously have for your family. Maybe you could write dil a letter explaining everything in a non judgmental way. I personally would have loved a mil like you, but that is another story. Wishing you all the best op.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 18/11/2024 00:38

Jiook · 17/11/2024 23:52

I'd be really cautious about where you are treading here.

I don't get on with my MIL but I think she is completely oblivious to the reasons that may be so. From your posts it does seem something happened, as DIL sounds exasperated with you.
For context I've declined weekday visits from them too- we have a schedule each day of the week and tbh their nap time is my nap time too given the broken nights so no, you can't just trip up willy nilly and force me to host.
Despite things we always make sure we see them every 2-3 weeks as they are ultimately my DCs grandparents. However emotional blackmail, trying to guilt me, and whispering to DH when I'm out of the room just made things worse. I don't think complaining to DH like he is her keeper is the way to go. If he has any sense he might go apoplectic at you like my DH did when his parents tried to slate me to him!

I agree. I think this thread has given the OP some kind of sense of entitlement and cockiness to speak to her son about "the issue" which is...his wife.

It's not going to end well. I'd be extra cautious raising this before Xmas as you can almost guarantee the shit is about to hit the fan.

username3645 · 18/11/2024 00:06

Your DIL does not like you, end of. Presumably you are very different people. The frostiness is either because she can sense you do not like her or you do something that you are not aware of but gets to her. If the latter, your family may be able to overlook it (or not notice) but she clearly can not.

At first I liked my MIL but then realised that every time I saw her she bitched and gossiped about her other DIL and SIL, her children, her friends, her parents, their relationships etc to me. I despise this in a person and it also wasn’t a big leap to assume she talked about me in the same manner to others, especially when I became a mother and was aware there are things I do she doesn’t agree with. There are a few other things that have got to me over the years but the bitching/gossiping was enough for me to keep her at arms length. She has no idea but DP does and, whilst he does not want to talk about it too much, he doesn’t try to defend her or change my view. He just manages his and DDs relationship with her and leaves me out of it. MIL would 100% want to see DD more (she is very involved in her other DGCs lives) but currently we see her for an hour once a week as I do not want to see her without DH and he does not organise it. I do chat to MIL when she is here but stop engaging with her when she starts bitching/gossiping (so most of the time!). I am not saying you do this exact behaviour but there may be something similar you do that you are not aware of that she just does not like. My MILs behaviour essentially gave me the ‘ick’ so now everything she does irritates me so I just keep her at arms length. I also do not want my DD to pick up MILs tendency to gossip or bitch.

Talking to your son about it is not going to get you anywhere. It will likely just put your DS in an uncomfortable position, cause a wedge in their marriage and a further wedge in your relationship with DIL. Your DGC are happy and loved and you see them a normal amount given the circumstances. Make the most of it and simply do not expect much from DIL when you see her. As a PP has said, you cannot manage her behaviour but you can manage your reaction to it. Your relationship with DGCs is not going to suffer given you live 2 hours away from them anyway.

Jiook · 17/11/2024 23:52

I'd be really cautious about where you are treading here.

I don't get on with my MIL but I think she is completely oblivious to the reasons that may be so. From your posts it does seem something happened, as DIL sounds exasperated with you.
For context I've declined weekday visits from them too- we have a schedule each day of the week and tbh their nap time is my nap time too given the broken nights so no, you can't just trip up willy nilly and force me to host.
Despite things we always make sure we see them every 2-3 weeks as they are ultimately my DCs grandparents. However emotional blackmail, trying to guilt me, and whispering to DH when I'm out of the room just made things worse. I don't think complaining to DH like he is her keeper is the way to go. If he has any sense he might go apoplectic at you like my DH did when his parents tried to slate me to him!

CrispyCrumpets · 17/11/2024 23:01

Another one who thinks the OP is getting some crazy responses. A lot of projecting goes on on these sorts of threads and people really like to get their teeth in.

You sound like a really nice Grandma OP. Considering the distance and your GCs ages I think you do see them a reasonable amount, but I would also be concerned about DILs manner when interacting with you. Your son may not want to talk about why this is, so be prepared for a stale mate when you have dinner. I don't think he has the power to change DIL either. I do hope as the kids grow up your DIL will feel more comfortable with them travelling a bit further to see you. Maybe you need to play the long game on this one.

MaggieMcGill · 17/11/2024 21:47

@crazyspanner Thank you! I thought I was liviing in a parallel universe. This thread is crazy and cruel. I feel really sad for all the kids who are not allowed to see both sets of grandparents because of their neurotic and unhinged mothers. How their husbands put up with their controlling behaviour is beyond me. I know some MIL’s can Be apita but this one clearly just wants to build and maintain a relationship with her son and grandchildren.

crazyspanner · 17/11/2024 21:09

I have read this thread and I feel for you op, you seem like you really love your family and have tried to extend that to your DIL whilst also respecting their family unit.
I think I am going against the grain here but I feel that DIL should facilitate the relationship with the grandkids even if DS is working (I don't mean daily but the odd hour in the park when OP is already in town). DIL is able to be a shame due to DS work (from what OP has said this seems what both DS and DIL want). I was also a sahm whilst kids were little and did facilitate the relationship with PIL during school holidays whilst my husband was working. Yes I am more relaxed with my parents and they are more helpful when they visit as they know me better but I want my kids to have a good relationship with both sets of grandparents and would hate for them to have thought that one set of grandparents was more important than the other.
I think a conversation with your son is a good idea but like others have said, tread carefully. It may be that your son is not happy but feels stuck in the middle. A non-judgemental chat with his mum might be just what he needs to clear the air and you to understand more what is going on. It may not change anything with DIL but if you son knows you love him and just want him to be happy, I don't think that is a bad thing.
For the people saying OP is being overbearing and a nightmare, honestly think how you would feel if you and your family were not allowed to meet your new family member for a month but all her friends and family did- I don't think there would be many of us that wouldn't be hurt by this.

Snkt · 17/11/2024 20:04

First of all I want to say how sweet and understanding you come across as a mum. You clearly don’t want drama and trying to make sure you respect them and their space.

I was the complete opposite with my family in law. When we were dating I’d barley speak to
them and honestly felt like they didn’t take me seriously and didn’t bother making an effort with me. I believe relationships (even with in laws) are a two way street and it’s not my job to build a relationship if they show no interest. However, once we had a chid they suddenly became a lot more interested in me and made the effort so I reciprocated.

The situation you are in is really hard but I’d say having a friendly chat with her is a good start. I would word it as “hey we’d love to see you and grandson more, I know my son works long hours but we’d still love to see you if he’s busy. What works for you” kind of expecting a schedule? Like maybe setting a cadence where you go see them every x.

Maybe you can also not speak explicitly about it, but call more, make plans more, invite them over? Obviously I don’t know if you’ve been down that route more.

Dontletthebedbugsbite2 · 17/11/2024 19:54

I'm like this with my MIL. And actually she is a nice enough woman, before I had kids we got along well, but I now don't see or speak to her because.... she is an awful grandparent. Takes no interest in my DC & openly favours other grandchildren. The consequence of this is that I no longer facilitate any sort of relationship between them & as a result we don't see them despite living 5mins away from eachother. My kids are always my main priority & if someone doesn't care enough about them, to not let them down repeatedly then I no longer wish to maintain a relationship with them. I'm sure she tells her friends she never sees the kids because I'm a nightmare etc but the fact is that she's only interested for show, occasionally & my own DC have commented on how she doesn't visit etc. (I know it goes both way but I got fed up of doing it for my kids to be second best. Now they're older I don't need to pretend she's wonderful - they can see with their own eyes)

pl228 · 17/11/2024 19:48

The kids are very little. If he’s working long hours, she may still be knackered and busy even with a housekeeper.

A few times you have offered babysitting. They don’t want it, so I would definitely not offer this again. She does not want to be separated from the kids, so I would not suggest he brings them. Also any food you’ve taken seems to have been surplus to requirements so I wouldn’t do this again. I would also ask before buying presents at Christmas/Bday.

That said, it does not appear that you have done anything hideously wrong, or even wrong at all.

I would not stay with them again. I would stay in a hotel so that a visit is not so full on - DIL clearly has a problem with it, whatever that might be.

Id be very careful tackling your DS over this. He wants to see you because you’re his mum. So it will be nice to have a meal out with him anyway. And it could make it difficult for him if you grill him about DIL. Instead, I’d say to him could you visit for the weekend but stay in a hotel and maybe see the kids a couple of hours on Sat and then again on Sun so as to make the visits ok for DIL? And ask if there’s anything that you are doing/have done that’s pisssd her off? Just be careful pressing him as he’ll be in a very awkward situation.

at the end of the day, DIL has all the power with the kids.

also, I don’t think you can compare a 2 hour drive to yours with a 2 hour drive to her parents. When she gets to her own parents, she can likely just plop on the sofa, rather than having to make conversation.

she may not like people staying, it may impact her ability to relax or to do what she wants to do if she has to consider you etc.

it seems a shame, but you’ll have to tread carefully.

it does seem quite extreme for you to have been made to wait a month to meet their eldest when s/he was born. I’d therefore suppose that anything you might have done to piss her off probably happened before that time. Or, that she had some anxiety or physical issues after birth.

good luck anywya.