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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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Apolloneuro · 20/11/2024 14:38

crazyspanner · 20/11/2024 14:27

Thank you for coming back and updating OP. I think your DS is focusing on the grandkids which is as it should be- they deserve a relationship with both sides of the family. Dil may be happy if she was feeling the pressure of hosting as now the flat will alleviate that somewhat and the kids also don't have to spend long travelling. I feel like people are just out to paint op as a dragon mil whatever she sayes

I was extremely sympathetic to the OP initially, but as time went by, it seemed as if it was more about ‘matriarchal’ expectancy than genuine concern. It was overwhelmingly the case that she wanted parity with the DIL’s family. This was unlikely given that the son works about 80% of the time, although I understand the wish.

The OP would have been sensible to have kept smiling, been grateful for the good amount she did see the grandchildren and cracked on. Things change over time.

It’s astonishingly difficult to see how this is going to end well for anybody. The DIL is independently wealthy. She can leave, and take the children, any time she likes.

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 14:35

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 14:34

Wasn’t rude? One-word answers are rude. Making someone feel unwelcome in your home is rude, and much more so if the person is your children’s grandparent. Rejecting someone’s gifts is rude. Avoiding a close family member is rude. Keeping said member away from their DGC is rude.

They see them every month! They aren't kept away

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 14:34

standardduck · 20/11/2024 13:58

I feel really sorry for your DIL.

How is he going to ensure that the tense atmosphere is going to end?

From what you described she wasn't rude to you, but rather doesn't enjoy your company and prefers to visit her parents when her DH is at work.

I think your DS pushing her to "behave" when you are around will cause tension in between them. It's quite strange wording he used.

Wasn’t rude? One-word answers are rude. Making someone feel unwelcome in your home is rude, and much more so if the person is your children’s grandparent. Rejecting someone’s gifts is rude. Avoiding a close family member is rude. Keeping said member away from their DGC is rude.

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 14:33

standardduck · 20/11/2024 13:58

I feel really sorry for your DIL.

How is he going to ensure that the tense atmosphere is going to end?

From what you described she wasn't rude to you, but rather doesn't enjoy your company and prefers to visit her parents when her DH is at work.

I think your DS pushing her to "behave" when you are around will cause tension in between them. It's quite strange wording he used.

Maybe just maybe the dil is being rude to her in-laws making visits difficult. And why should her parents be allowed to stay but not her husbands?

Wellingtonspie · 20/11/2024 14:33

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 14:31

The DIL has hardly bent over backwards either has she? The son jas every right to want his children to get to know his parents

Never said she has but it’s a big leap to make as a married couple for one to ultimately decide to buy a London flat and have overnight guests without even a word with your other half.

Bachboo · 20/11/2024 14:31

Wellingtonspie · 20/11/2024 14:09

I agree I expect the next updates will eventually include. Things like dil always at her mums maybe even next weekend. Then a divorce.

The fact he decided without even a word with his wife that money they where goi to do one thing will now be used to keep a flat empty for you, the fact she doesn’t like you overnight in the house and boom tough shit your over night next weekend.

There was no give and take here just a railroaded dil. Oh well. Good luck.

The DIL has hardly bent over backwards either has she? The son jas every right to want his children to get to know his parents

crazyspanner · 20/11/2024 14:27

Thank you for coming back and updating OP. I think your DS is focusing on the grandkids which is as it should be- they deserve a relationship with both sides of the family. Dil may be happy if she was feeling the pressure of hosting as now the flat will alleviate that somewhat and the kids also don't have to spend long travelling. I feel like people are just out to paint op as a dragon mil whatever she sayes

bzarda · 20/11/2024 14:25

helpamilout · 20/11/2024 12:43

Sorry I’ve been quiet—things have been a bit busy with the family. Just wanted to share a quick update.

I had an honest chat with DS earlier this week about how I’ve been feeling. I was hesitant to bring it up because I didn’t want to cause tension in his marriage, but it had been weighing on me. DS was very apologetic (even though I don’t think it’s his fault) and admitted he’s been so focused on work that he hadn’t realized how much it’s been affecting us. He also spoke with his brother, who shares similar concerns about how DIL behaves around the family.

He’s had a conversation with DIL and told her how upset he’d be if her behavior led to his parents or siblings losing a relationship with the kids. To my surprise, he then suggested getting us a small flat in London for mine and DH’s big birthdays instead of the family trip he’d been planning, to stay at during visits. He had initially been planning to use the money for a rental property but felt this would be a better use given the current situation with DIL. The flat would ideally be just a few tube stops from their home, making it easy to visit for dinner or meet in the park, but without needing to stay at their house, which seems to be the issue for DIL. Whilst he can’t facilitate full days of visits for us due to work often, in his words at least it’s something he can do to ensure we have more contact with his kids. We’ve already started looking and have some viewings next week!

DS also promised that the tense atmosphere during visits will stop, from our next visit (we are visiting next weekend and invited to stay at their house since the flat is obviously not sorted yet) as he doesn’t want his children growing up associating our visits with tension or thinking it’s acceptable to treat their grandparents poorly just because their mother does.

You have caused tension in their marriage. You said earlier in the thread you taught your son to put his wife and children first and that was normal/natural - how is criticising her to multiple family members and telling her she needs to behave on visits putting her first as a husband? Similarly, a rental property would bring income into the household and support the children. You having a flat in London that sits empty the majority of the time takes money away from the children and supports your needs only.

I really feel for you all because your visit next weekend (and future subsequent visits) is going to be marred with tension. Even if your DIL is polite, you both know this is false and she's essentially been chastised and told off like a child. Why would you want interactions that you both know are false? Children are really intuitive and will pick up on this also, especially as they get older. I'm sure they will also pick up on the inevitable tension between mum and dad at home, which again you have caused!!

Sorry but I think you've been really selfish and caused a lot of harm.

standardduck · 20/11/2024 14:21

I think DH is going to end up living in that flat fairly soon.

thepariscrimefiles · 20/11/2024 14:17

ScaryM0nster · 20/11/2024 13:52

Wow.

So absolutely no scope for acknowledging that DIL doesn’t enjoy your company or spending time with you and that might be worthy of respecting some way.

And a major insight to your son’s view on problems. Throw money at them.

I wonder how she will react to the news that her DH has bought his parents a flat a couple of tube stops away from them and that his mum and dad will be visiting her more often and she must change her behaviour!

Velvian · 20/11/2024 14:17

Buying you a flat to stay in is absolute madness! You have been seeing your DGC really regularly, considering the time your DS actually spends with them.

The latest developments will surely make DIL feel so uncomfortable around you. Does she have any siblings? Anyone that has her back apart from her parents?

Apolloneuro · 20/11/2024 14:12

It’s not exactly text book ‘how to win friends and influence people is it!’

Despite what you may think and how this feels like a victory now, ultimately the mother of the children will dictate what happens with her children.

What kind of person puts a wedge into a child's marriage because they’re so determined to be ‘respected’. Badly done.

Anxioustealady · 20/11/2024 14:10

I think this will be a short lived victory.

I feel so sorry for your DIL. Imagine being told by your husband that you must behave yourself because his parents and siblings have been talking badly about you amongst themselves. Your son is a terrible husband from what you've said.

Do you seriously think that she's going to be comfortable around any of you now? She might have to be on best behaviour, but inside she'll be hurt, and angry, feeling betrayed by her husband.

Either she'll be desperately unhappy or they'll get divorced.

Wellingtonspie · 20/11/2024 14:09

I agree I expect the next updates will eventually include. Things like dil always at her mums maybe even next weekend. Then a divorce.

The fact he decided without even a word with his wife that money they where goi to do one thing will now be used to keep a flat empty for you, the fact she doesn’t like you overnight in the house and boom tough shit your over night next weekend.

There was no give and take here just a railroaded dil. Oh well. Good luck.

ColaCar · 20/11/2024 14:06

You sound hideous. What a horrendous MIL. I feel sorry for your DIL.

Bloodybrambles · 20/11/2024 14:04

If I was a betting person I’d say that your son will end up living in that flat. But, that will work for you as then you’ll all be able to have the kids every other weekend instead of once a month.

This has ended as a car crash.

What’s your relationship like with her family? That’s all going to end. All family parties are something of the past. How he’s took your side, they’ll take hers and in the end the kids will take hers too. Congratulations.

standardduck · 20/11/2024 13:58

I feel really sorry for your DIL.

How is he going to ensure that the tense atmosphere is going to end?

From what you described she wasn't rude to you, but rather doesn't enjoy your company and prefers to visit her parents when her DH is at work.

I think your DS pushing her to "behave" when you are around will cause tension in between them. It's quite strange wording he used.

Apolloneuro · 20/11/2024 13:54

Wow. I think that’s a dreadful outcome. You really are used to getting your own way, aren’t you.

ScaryM0nster · 20/11/2024 13:52

Wow.

So absolutely no scope for acknowledging that DIL doesn’t enjoy your company or spending time with you and that might be worthy of respecting some way.

And a major insight to your son’s view on problems. Throw money at them.

Bloodybrambles · 20/11/2024 13:39

Sorry OP but I place bets that they’re in a very unhappy marriage. The fact he’s took 100% your side and essentially laying the law down that you’ll be over more and there’s going to be no more tension is meaning he’s picking you over her.

My bet will be that she’ll start to spend more time at her parents and start removing herself from the marriage. You’ll probably start seeing the kids more but even less than her. You’ll replace her on the family outings.

You cannot force someone to like you. You’ve now burned your bridges with her. She’s probably gone from disliking you to hating you. It’s not your fault but that’s the way human nature works.

How is it going to work with facilitating contact? If he’s working how will the handovers work I.E. during the week for you to take the kids to the park? You’ll still be pushing yourself into her home.

Wexone · 20/11/2024 13:04

helpamilout · 20/11/2024 13:01

I really tried to get that perspective on it too - have I done something wrong/ am I doing something wrong.
His responses to that were "I guess she's occupied with being a mum but yes no excuse for that" "no, mum, you've literally been nothing but kind towards us" "I can't think of anything you've ever done to offend her"
Maybe one day we'll find out, maybe we'll never know.
But also coming out of this conversation I've realised that perhaps I don't need to figure out the why. I've tried my best with her, I'll continue being kind, polite, respectful every time we meet, but ultimately I'm there to spend time with my DS and DGC even if she isn't keen.

You make a good point there about worrying did i do something wrong- I am going to say that to my own mother, It might help her come to terms with this issue aswell

helpamilout · 20/11/2024 13:01

Wexone · 20/11/2024 12:55

@helpamilout That sounds like a good grown up discussion you had - And its a great update. I would have liked to have heard your DIL reasons for her treatment of it just so understand it all. As said we are going through something similar, and it hurts. I don't get all these responses oh i have nothing in common with my in laws etc, when you marry someone their family comes part and parcel of that, You might not like them but have to be grown up and polite and be involved a bit in theirs and yours lives, even more so if there is kids involved Unless there is toxic abuse etc. Fingers crossed things will improve for you

I really tried to get that perspective on it too - have I done something wrong/ am I doing something wrong.
His responses to that were "I guess she's occupied with being a mum but yes no excuse for that" "no, mum, you've literally been nothing but kind towards us" "I can't think of anything you've ever done to offend her"
Maybe one day we'll find out, maybe we'll never know.
But also coming out of this conversation I've realised that perhaps I don't need to figure out the why. I've tried my best with her, I'll continue being kind, polite, respectful every time we meet, but ultimately I'm there to spend time with my DS and DGC even if she isn't keen.

OP posts:
Wexone · 20/11/2024 12:55

@helpamilout That sounds like a good grown up discussion you had - And its a great update. I would have liked to have heard your DIL reasons for her treatment of it just so understand it all. As said we are going through something similar, and it hurts. I don't get all these responses oh i have nothing in common with my in laws etc, when you marry someone their family comes part and parcel of that, You might not like them but have to be grown up and polite and be involved a bit in theirs and yours lives, even more so if there is kids involved Unless there is toxic abuse etc. Fingers crossed things will improve for you

helpamilout · 20/11/2024 12:43

Sorry I’ve been quiet—things have been a bit busy with the family. Just wanted to share a quick update.

I had an honest chat with DS earlier this week about how I’ve been feeling. I was hesitant to bring it up because I didn’t want to cause tension in his marriage, but it had been weighing on me. DS was very apologetic (even though I don’t think it’s his fault) and admitted he’s been so focused on work that he hadn’t realized how much it’s been affecting us. He also spoke with his brother, who shares similar concerns about how DIL behaves around the family.

He’s had a conversation with DIL and told her how upset he’d be if her behavior led to his parents or siblings losing a relationship with the kids. To my surprise, he then suggested getting us a small flat in London for mine and DH’s big birthdays instead of the family trip he’d been planning, to stay at during visits. He had initially been planning to use the money for a rental property but felt this would be a better use given the current situation with DIL. The flat would ideally be just a few tube stops from their home, making it easy to visit for dinner or meet in the park, but without needing to stay at their house, which seems to be the issue for DIL. Whilst he can’t facilitate full days of visits for us due to work often, in his words at least it’s something he can do to ensure we have more contact with his kids. We’ve already started looking and have some viewings next week!

DS also promised that the tense atmosphere during visits will stop, from our next visit (we are visiting next weekend and invited to stay at their house since the flat is obviously not sorted yet) as he doesn’t want his children growing up associating our visits with tension or thinking it’s acceptable to treat their grandparents poorly just because their mother does.

OP posts:
Catsbreakfast · 19/11/2024 23:54

Bringautumnnights · 15/11/2024 18:00

This is exactly why I was gutted I had boys and I had gender disappointment both times. I'm resigning myself to the fact once my sons marry, our family side will become a side thought - I'm already heart broken about it but MILs can't do right in any situation so there's nothing you can do.

Edited

This is so ridiculous. OP’s situation isn’t normal, despite what the harpies of mumsnet think, and the DIL is unusual in how standoffish she is. I get on great with my amIL and I don’t think that’s unusual outside of this antisocial hellsite