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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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lovelysunshine22 · 12/11/2024 23:23

Op lots of women behave like this! All sweetness and light at the beginning then when they have got what they want in this case your son they drop the pretence and behave like their real selves! I have two Dil who are like this and luckily a DIL and SIL who are far nicer! There is not much you can do apart from remaining polite and friendly and trying to maintain a relationship with your son and grandchild.

Babycatsmummy · 12/11/2024 23:19

This has happened with my brother. He and his fiancée don't have children though.
He used to visit us all the time ( family live in various locations from a 10 minute walk to a 45 minute drive away so not too far away) and regularly call and text. He met his fiancée and slowly the logistics changed in our relationship. I've never particularly warmed to her since she cheated in him early into their relationship then decided to give up her job and stay at home spending his money. They recently bought a house "together"... meaning he put a 30k deposit down and she's put nothing but is on the mortgage with her part time job ( she decided she was bored at home 24/7).
I've tried so many times to visit him, make plans as I've recently had a baby and bought a house but he never responds to calls or texts. We have a family group and she does all the talking. More recently, a family member has been in hospital and asked us not to tell another family member due to some personal issues and the SIL decided that the family member had a right to know and told them which has caused a falling out.

My brother hasn't spent one Christmas with his family in 7 years because he says we live too far away. Her family are a 4 hour drive away but they manage to make it there.

It's a very sad situation indeed.

ColaCar · 12/11/2024 23:14

Kombuchamonster · 12/11/2024 22:07

Also if your son is working 2 weekends a month, I think offering you 1 weekend a month is INCREDIBLY generous! It only leaves about 1 for them as a family. I'm shocked you think they should give that one up to see you.

I agree. I think 1 weekend every other month would be a better fit since they only get 1 weekend together as a couple.

CrispyCrumpets · 12/11/2024 23:14

Yes it seems the son is doing what he can with the time he has.

You mention offers of help or babysitting. My own mum always says she would babysit whenever but I don't really need a babysitter and my kids don't really like being away from me that much because they are quite young.

What my mum never does, and I wish she would do sometimes, is just drop me a line and say "There's this show/place/whatever on at such and such, do you fancy meeting there and taking the kids on X day and having lunch?".

Have you ever tried that sort of approach with her? If you are offering help and she doesn't need it, then the answer will always be no, but if you pose it as there is a cool thing we would all enjoy, shall I book it and we can meet up? It might be easier if she isn't hosting you and maybe you could trim a bit of travel time off as well if she was driving out a bit to meet you.

You don't say how old the kids are but maybe when they are a bit older she would be up for you taking one or both to do something fun for a few hours.

CustardCreams2 · 12/11/2024 23:11

You sound lovely. You didn’t deserve to not meet your grandchild till a month after birth.

Perhaps the previous version of her was quite fake, playing nice until they were married so you wouldn’t object. Now the mask has slipped as she got what she wanted. She sounds very bitchy.

Focus on your son and seeing gc through him.

Evilspiritgin · 12/11/2024 23:10

I would love to know what would happen if the ds did as suggested and invited his mum to come and babysit etc I bet it wouldn’t be happening, there’s no way she'd (dil) let it!!

i haven’t always taken to my mil , she can be overbearing, she is still my ds granny though and she loves him, so I will do what I can to facilitate that relationship

I hope for ops sake that ds isn’t her only child

ColaCar · 12/11/2024 23:09

You see them every month and take up one weekend when he’s already working 2. That’s more than enough.

My MIL lives 15 minutes up the road and I probably visit once every 3 months! And that’s more than enough for me.
My husband pops in there twice a month (on his own) to collect our dog that they watch for half a day while we both work. I avoid doing it unless I have to and if I do have too then I’m in and out within a few minutes.

I sound a bit like you DIL and the truth is.. I just don’t care about the inlaws, I find them boring, lazy and my MIL annoys me as anytime I do see them she just asks me constant questions which I can’t be bothered to answer. I also find my FIL rude as hell. I don’t think they are good grandparents.

I don’t ask them to watch the kids unless I really have too. I would never ever go on holiday with them but we are going away with my parents for a week at Xmas.

MIL is also a terrible cook so we would never go around for lunch etc

I wouldn’t visit on my own and even our eldest isn’t bothered about seeing them.

I obviously prefer spending time with my parents instead of my MIL for obvious reasons. I just have no interest in my in-laws.

ABirdsEyeView · 12/11/2024 23:05

I think it sounds like the OPs son does make an effort to keep in contact and enable his dc to see his parents. But if dil was a bit more accommodating in the week, then they could probably drop some of the weekend visits, which might be better for dil and OPs son.

It's very obviously a snub when dil's parent get to stay in the house but OP has to stay in a hotel. I totally understand dil not wanting to have in-laws stay, especially if her dh isn't even there most of the time, but I do think there's a responsibility to be fair and try to treat grandparents equally (assuming they are decent people and not nutcases). The son can't realistically do it because he's physically not there.

Procrastinatingpeacock · 12/11/2024 23:03

OP my take on this is that, for whatever reason, your DIL finds you irritating and isn't keen to spend time with you beyond what she probably considers her duty as a DIL. I have a similar dynamic with my MIL and some of the things you mention (frequent offers to babysit, bringing meals when she visits, general over familiarity) just set my teeth on edge. I'm aware that to many people this must sound ungrateful and downright mean, and I wish I didn't feel like this, but I just find her extremely annoying. Unfortunately the more I back away the more desperate she seems to get close, it's a vicious circle really.

If I were you I would accept and enjoy the time you do get to spend with your DS and grandchildren, which actually sounds reasonably frequent. Things may in change in time but my sense from reading your post is that by trying to improve matters you will only make them worse.

Wexone · 12/11/2024 23:03

Reading with interest as what op is going through is similar to my own parents. the only difference is that my parents live across the road from my brother and his wife plus 1 year old. her patents live just up the road. basically a 5 min walk to each. it hurts op. my parents need an appointment to go see their grandchild. texts calls to go over help cook dinner babysit etc are all no no. they might come over for half an hour the one Sunday eve an odd weekend. no photos on what we see on Facebook etc yet her mother ( who is not well and a bit frail ) always there in and out like a rolling door. really can't understand as she has been in our lives for 20 years since young teens. really dint understand why both of them are doing this. no back story either. got on like a house on fire before baby came.
we just let them on now

NoWayRose · 12/11/2024 23:01

He arranges for us to visit them, and a full day programme of fun activities, once a month, he's even paid for a hotel

This seems really generous to me. If he’s working some weekends, and you’re with them one weekend out of four, they must hardly get any quiet family days.

She is maybe annoyed that she gives up one weekend a month and is still getting hints that it’s not enough.

Also would you expect your son to be a secretary facilitating your DiL’s relationship with her own mother? Or would that sound bizarre

OrchardBlack · 12/11/2024 22:59

Brefugee · 12/11/2024 20:35

for most couples it is up to the son/husband to keep up the relationship with his family.

It is supremely natural for a woman to be much much closer to her own mother when she has a child etc etc. Even though he works long hours, there is nothing at all stopping your son from arranging to visit you, or have you visit them.

What you on about? It's nearly ALWAYS women doing the mental load of keeping him in touch with his family etc.

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 12/11/2024 22:58

Kombuchamonster · 12/11/2024 22:07

Also if your son is working 2 weekends a month, I think offering you 1 weekend a month is INCREDIBLY generous! It only leaves about 1 for them as a family. I'm shocked you think they should give that one up to see you.

This poor dil!

ABirdsEyeView · 12/11/2024 22:54

Floofypuppy · 12/11/2024 22:43

her "mental load" is reduced by the fact there's a housekeeper for 3 days, all the cooking is done for her and all the cleaning. She says she's loving being a SAHM and jokes that she's not made for cooking or cleaning so thank goodness she doesn't have to do it.

and ladies and gentleman, there it is. No wonder she doesn’t want to hang out with you.

It's true though. Being a sahm is hard if you are looking after the dc and doing all the cooking/cleaning and laundry. It's not so onerous if you have a housekeeper.
The least she could do is be a bit fairer to her in-laws and let them be a bit more involved. Would probably be a kind thing to do for her husband too, since he's working to pay for what sounds like her very nice life.

DaisyChain505 · 12/11/2024 22:52

It is not your DIL’s responsibility to maintain your connection to her family unit.

Your son is the biological tie so it is his responsibility.

she sees her parents more because they are her parents and she’s putting in the effort.

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 22:51

bzarda · 12/11/2024 22:48

As many people have already said (and you've ignored) 1 weekend a month when he works 2 weekends every month is plenty. Looking after children is really hard and even if she doesn't do any cleaning or cooking (which you seem judgemental of) dealing with tantrums, nappies, trying to get them to sleep, trying to entertain them all day is all really tiring. Particularly if she is doing it all by herself 2 weekends a month.

I think you have unrealistic expectations and should focus on the quality of the time with your grandchildren rather than comparisons on quantity.

Again... this is why I didn't say it initially. Maybe others are judging her but I am not - I'm glad my GC are around a mum who is happy being a SAHM rather than a mum who is forced into being a SAHM but hates it, or a mum who works and hates it. I'm glad the kids get to spend the vast majority of time doing fun activities as their mum is free to take them whilst housework is taken care of.

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ImAThinker · 12/11/2024 22:49

But I would say, some of your comments maybe do sound a tad judgemental. If you are honest, do you think there may have been times she felt this from you?

My MIL commented on me eating a few biscuits once when I was pregnant, and when I was struggling so much with BF, told me how much milk she produced and how easy she found it.
I shrugged these sort of comments off at the time, but I did actually find them hurtful. Being around my own mum, I would have never heard these sort of comments.

Franjipanl8r · 12/11/2024 22:48

She’s probably bored and lonely in the week and wants to see her family for company. You seem to resent the fact she has an easy life. She’s allowed to choose who she spends her time with.

bzarda · 12/11/2024 22:48

As many people have already said (and you've ignored) 1 weekend a month when he works 2 weekends every month is plenty. Looking after children is really hard and even if she doesn't do any cleaning or cooking (which you seem judgemental of) dealing with tantrums, nappies, trying to get them to sleep, trying to entertain them all day is all really tiring. Particularly if she is doing it all by herself 2 weekends a month.

I think you have unrealistic expectations and should focus on the quality of the time with your grandchildren rather than comparisons on quantity.

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 22:47

PennyCrayon1 · 12/11/2024 22:32

I’m interested to hear more about why you didn’t meet the baby until they were a month old.

Is it possible she has taken this as you not being interested?

We sent them a congratulatory message when our first GC was born and said that we're so excited to meet the baby but we don't want to interrupt their newborn bubble so we will be there in a matter of hours as soon as we're invited but will hold off until they are ready. They also said they will let us know when, but not now, because the baby is small and DIL wants some privacy to recover.

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ImAThinker · 12/11/2024 22:45

I can relate to her situation. I was very chatty and friendly with my MIL pre kids.

But several years and kids later, working full time in a very demanding career, I often dont have the headspace or energy to be that person and make lots of effort. Sometimes I think she must think I’m annoyed with her, but I’m really not, I’m just really tired!

Also being a massive perfectionist, I don’t like meeting up with anyone I have to be “on” for if I feel I’m not going to be at my best, which sometimes makes me avoid seeing them.

It’s different with my own family as they will take me as I am.

Floofypuppy · 12/11/2024 22:43

her "mental load" is reduced by the fact there's a housekeeper for 3 days, all the cooking is done for her and all the cleaning. She says she's loving being a SAHM and jokes that she's not made for cooking or cleaning so thank goodness she doesn't have to do it.

and ladies and gentleman, there it is. No wonder she doesn’t want to hang out with you.

Franjipanl8r · 12/11/2024 22:42

my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends

That’ll be why. If your DS isn’t around to entertain you when you visit, why would you expect to visit as much as her own mum? Why don’t you ask your son why he isn’t making more time for you? It’s not down to your DIL, it down to him to arrange.

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 22:41

@Kingofthetyrantlizards her "mental load" is reduced by the fact there's a housekeeper for 3 days, all the cooking is done for her and all the cleaning. She says she's loving being a SAHM and jokes that she's not made for cooking or cleaning so thank goodness she doesn't have to do it.

I would say he sees her parents more than he (or she) sees us. She probably spends a week per month at their place so would go there mid-week and then he joins for the weekend. When the GPs stay over at their house, from what I understand, it's usually in the week rather than weekend but it's not really to help DIL out, the housekeeper does this, with her parents it's largely zoo trips and just days out at the park with the kids - a bit like with us when we visit, but over 4-5 days rather than 1-2. The other GPs also sometimes get invited on holiday (they all go for let's say a month and book a villa, DS will work for 2 of those weeks remotely from the holiday, and the other GPs will join for those weeks to keep DIL company). But in effect they're all on holiday together. I don't feel like I can ask DS for an invitation - if he wanted to, he'd invite me.

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ABirdsEyeView · 12/11/2024 22:38

My in-laws were quite full on and wanted lots of time that I preferred to spend just with my husband, who was also working a lot. But if dil doesn't want to see you at weekends, then in all fairness she should invite you over in the week so that you can see the kids.
As much as I would have preferred to opt out of dealing with in-laws, as a sahp I felt it was my responsibility to facilitate my in-laws seeing my kids - dh couldn't always do it because he was at work and I didn't want to spend lots of weekends seeing them.
So while your dil might be resentful of 'losing' that weekend once a month when you see your DS and DGC, it's kind of her own fault because she blocks you from being part of her family the rest of the time.

I do think it's shocking that you never saw the baby until he was a month old. Very unkind.

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