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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

OP posts:
thepariscrimefiles · 13/11/2024 09:38

Laiste · 13/11/2024 09:31

@thepariscrimefiles - ''OP's son does arrange a monthly visit for his parents on one of the two free weekends he has a month. He arranges a timetable of activities and pays for their hotel. Considering the distance between OP and her son's family, a weekend visit once a month seems fine to me.''

I agree - it's true. I've just said the same. OP is seeing her son and his kids a perfectly reasonable amount given the distance.

But it's being seen by OP in comparison to how much time the DIL spends with her own mum.

We're being told about the details of the DIL's day to day activities as if that justifies OP competitive view somehow.

When you think about it it's dafter and dafter.

Absolutely. If OP's DIL's parents were just seeing their grandchildren once a month too, OP would probably be perfectly happy with the amount of contact she currently has. It sounds like she feels in competition with her DIL's parents, so feels short-changed and hard done to, when she actually spends a perfectly reasonable amount of time with her son's family given his work schedule.

Laiste · 13/11/2024 09:31

@thepariscrimefiles - ''OP's son does arrange a monthly visit for his parents on one of the two free weekends he has a month. He arranges a timetable of activities and pays for their hotel. Considering the distance between OP and her son's family, a weekend visit once a month seems fine to me.''

I agree - it's true. I've just said the same. OP is seeing her son and his kids a perfectly reasonable amount given the distance.

But it's being seen by OP in comparison to how much time the DIL spends with her own mum.

We're being told about the details of the DIL's day to day activities as if that justifies OP competitive view somehow.

When you think about it it's dafter and dafter.

Laiste · 13/11/2024 09:21

The thing is though - re: post about who's doing husband/dad work ect. - it's not the wife, the kids, or the husband who's complaining about who's doing what work. They're all happy.

It's the OP who's wanting things to be different. I'm still not quite sure how though, tbh. She lives 2 hours away but they still all get together once a month ... ?

thepariscrimefiles · 13/11/2024 09:17

Strokethefurrywall · 13/11/2024 00:52

Im going against the grain here and saying that I could and would never not allow my in laws to only meet the baby after a month if my own parents had met the baby near enough immediately.

Not to mention the hurt I would feel to find out about a new grandchild halfway into the pregnancy when all her friends already knew.

My in laws were included as much as my parents, and I can't fathom (unless my in laws had behaved in a particularly heinous way) excluding my seemingly normal and loving in laws the way she is excluding you.

Unless you're actually a total nightmare OP, I think she and your son are behaving appallingly. He is not minded to even attempt to include you or make decisions relating to your relationship with his children unless the ideas are in line with hers. Batshit!

OP's son does arrange a monthly visit for his parents on one of the two free weekends he has a month. He arranges a timetable of activities and pays for their hotel. Considering the distance between OP and her son's family, a weekend visit once a month seems fine to me.

cantthinkofausernametoadd · 13/11/2024 09:14

Lots on unnecessarily harsh messages on here OP and lots of supportive ones too. I'm sorry you're going through this. To protect your mental health, I'd withdraw any contact but be there with smiles and open arms when your son and family visit. They've made their choice re: what's acceptable or not to them. Time for you to do the same.

Whcjsveh · 13/11/2024 09:14

Those who comment on wife work, the son works so much that he barely sees the kids. Yes, in laws expect the wife to facilitate but I guess the son, wife and maybe even the in laws are perfectly happy for the husband to barely have anything to do with the kids. Whilst wife work is a thing so is husband work. It seems wife doesn't want wife work but husband is happy enough with husband work instead of the dad work.

Most posters on MN do expect the husband to work full time and earn more than the wife. That's the problem. The fact that one person works, while other person does family but in this case seemingly only their own family

Borninabarn32 · 13/11/2024 09:12

She was being artificially polite to, essentially, strangers. Now she's just getting on with her life. Asking to use the bathroom doesn't indicate a close relationship. You were never close. She was just a polite guest. Now she's just a mother looking after her kids.

Lampzade · 13/11/2024 09:12

Laiste · 13/11/2024 09:04

As the thread carries on something's occurring to me - the concept of Wife Work. It's alive and kicking.

Many people still (even subconsciously) lump 'keeping the inlaws in the loop' as wife work.

OP is doing this. That's why we have the long explanations about how much the housekeeper does and the clues in the language.

OP is thinking ''The housekeeper is doing HER (wtf?) laundry so DIL can replace doing HER housework with seeing more of HER inlaws ''. It's as clear as day.

A couple of times now OP has mentioned DIL saying she's not one for doing housework. Another clue. If there were no kids and DIL was still working they'd still have a housekeeper and DIL would still be saying she's not one for housework.

I bet the son isn't ''one for housework'' either. That's why they've carved out a life together where neither of them has to do it.

OP has said herself that her son and daughter in law have been together since the son's business was still small and DIL had a good career and she's not a golddigger. As a couple they've decided SAHM is best for the kids. The kids. Not best for wife work.

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Apolloneuro · 13/11/2024 09:06

It seems to me that most of this is a consequence of your son working so much (what a horrible lifestyle by the way. Earn enough to pay for extensive help, but hardly see your kids)

It does happen, but seems unlikely that your DIL would do as much with you, without her husband, than with her own family. It sounds like she’s on her own with the kids a lot and I guess she inevitably gravitates towards her own family. I wonder if she’s as happy as you think she is?

Having said that, I’d have been heartbroken if I hadn’t seen any of my grandchildren for a month after birth.

If I were you, I’d play the long game. When the kids get older, you can build your own relationship with them and phone them up etc.

Also, I’d continue to try to develop your own relationship with your DIL, separate from her being the mother of your grandchildren. Do you have any common interests? Can you send her links to things she might be interested in etc? Encourage her to see you as a friend.

Laiste · 13/11/2024 09:04

As the thread carries on something's occurring to me - the concept of Wife Work. It's alive and kicking.

Many people still (even subconsciously) lump 'keeping the inlaws in the loop' as wife work.

OP is doing this. That's why we have the long explanations about how much the housekeeper does and the clues in the language.

OP is thinking ''The housekeeper is doing HER (wtf?) laundry so DIL can replace doing HER housework with seeing more of HER inlaws ''. It's as clear as day.

A couple of times now OP has mentioned DIL saying she's not one for doing housework. Another clue. If there were no kids and DIL was still working they'd still have a housekeeper and DIL would still be saying she's not one for housework.

I bet the son isn't ''one for housework'' either. That's why they've carved out a life together where neither of them has to do it.

OP has said herself that her son and daughter in law have been together since the son's business was still small and DIL had a good career and she's not a golddigger. As a couple they've decided SAHM is best for the kids. The kids. Not best for wife work.

Lemonmiracle · 13/11/2024 09:02

I feel bad for you OP. I'm a DIL with a toddler and a baby on the way and I choose my parents all the time but I have a reason. I'm in the opposite boat to you where when I had my toddler 2 years ago my MIL suddenly switched and wanted nothing to do with me and everything to do with baby. She would act like I don't exist and just my husband and baby were around yet to keep things peaceful I STILL go over twice a week for the afternoon or evening I just don't invite her to my own home because I had a little PPD due to her behaviour and that's a personal boundary

You don't sound anything like this and it's weird you waited a month to meet baby. I try to be mindful she is a grandparent the same as my own DM so they will meet next baby the first day I come home just like everyone else. I don't have any advice as she sounds abit rude tbh but if there is a reason behind it hope it gets solved soon for you both 💐

Rosesarered222 · 13/11/2024 09:02

This thread has really made me sad. As a my of to young boys I’m really dreading your situation playing out for me in the future!

we are incredibly close with my MIL and I wouldn’t have it any other way, sure she can be a bit overbearing , and I’m naturally quiet and not very sociable. So we often don’t have much to talk about . But she has been there though the years, always supportive and my God she dotes on her grandchildren! As hard as it was when they were really young to leave them with her, I saw the importance of creating a bond between them. My 10 year old adores her and I love seeing their relationship.

ultimately it’s the kids who won’t have the close bond with the Grandmother. Sounds like you’ve done nothing wrong OP. She sounds really difficult to deal with. Not allowing you to see you GC for a month after birth was really unfair. I do believe you husband should have got involved with this though.

my only advise it to just keep doing what your doing, respect her boundaries , it sound as though your seeing them a reasonable amount . When they are older I’m sure sleep overs ect will be aloud. I don’t think you should bring any of this up with her.

Anxioustealady · 13/11/2024 08:51

@helpamilout could you please tell me, what's a situation you would be content with? Like how much contact, babysitting, staying over etc etc

Notaflippinclue · 13/11/2024 08:51

My relationship with my DIL is massively different to the one with my daughter - my DIL has her own mother to confide in and be close to. Girls are for life boys take a wife is very true in most cases

thepariscrimefiles · 13/11/2024 08:43

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:00

@Brefugee @RitaFromThePitCanteen

How it works with the visits is that in order for them to visit either set of grandparents, DIL says they'd need more than just a weekend because it's far. To her own parents she goes for a few nights each time. Whilst my son can arrange a weekend visit, DIL won't go if it's only for a couple of days "as the journey won't be worth the amount of time we spend there" and I think she's against the kids going without her, she wants to supervise. And she (presumably) wouldn't stay longer if DH isn't staying, he also can't make her.
Yes, I guess DS could take the kids away even if she doesn't "allow" but I'm guessing he doesn't want to go against her as they generally seem happy in the marriage and she's a very hands on mum in that she's always with the kids, doesn't like to leave them, rarely goes anywhere without the kids unless she absolutely must (in the case of a doctors appointment her mum will babysit). He arranges for us to visit them, and a full day programme of fun activities, once a month, he's even paid for a hotel for us on a few occasions so that we can stay later and see them again the next day,

'He arranges for us to visit them, and a full day programme of fun activities, once a month, he's even paid for a hotel for us on a few occasions so that we can stay later and see them again the next day'

As you live quite far away, a montly visit with a programme of fun activities and 'paid for' hotel, arranged by your son seems very reasonable.

I wouldn't say anything to your DIL as, if she takes offense, these lovely monthly visits might stop. You are getting regular opportunities to see your grandchildren, so even if your DIL's mother has more contact, I wouldn't rock the boat.

Fucketbucket · 13/11/2024 08:37

Well it seems from this that MIL's can't do right for doing wrong!
I'm not a MIL BTW but have had one for 25 years.
Sometimes I have been the one to keep up the relationship with my in laws when my husband has been working more and I was part time, nowadays it's more equal and we both work similar hours.
It was important to me that my kids had good relationships with both sets of grandparents. They are now 14, 17 and 22 and can organise themselves.

We did see more of my parents when the kids were small, I'm an only child though and H is one of 3 so this was a factor. My children have grown up with close relationships with their cousins too which is lovely to see as they get older.

ABirdsEyeView · 13/11/2024 08:30

@Brefugee I get that if you have really horrible in-laws, it's fair enough not to go out of your way.
But assuming they are nice enough people, in family situations where one partner is working long hours (which does enable the other to sah full time), I don't think it's entirely reasonable for the sahp to say 'your family, your responsibility'.
If someone wants to say that, then really the family set up should be both parents working and doing childcare in equal shares!
Working long hours, to provide a nice family life, shouldn't be used as a stick to beat that working parent with.

Naunet · 13/11/2024 08:26

Diarygirlqueen · 12/11/2024 20:49

From reading some of these threads, it's definitely hard being a MIL, especially if it's your son. When I deal with my MIL, I always try and remember I have 2 sons and how I hope my dil will treat me. I hope this gets resolved, you sound lovely. It is natural for a daughter to favour her mum, but I think she's treating you very unfairly. Good luck

That's only because expectations with DILs are higher. How many mils (or fils for that matter,) out there complain that their son in laws dont invite them to babysit or facilitate visits? Its not expected of them.

arethereanyleftatall · 13/11/2024 08:21

I've read all of ops comments and half the thread. Couple of things I've noticed...

  1. Op you seem to think your son is the bees knees. You mentioned 'he' paid for a hotel several times. 'He' didn't. It's family money and she is a sahm, clearly doing everything, so 'they paid'. I wonder how much your subconscious sexism comes across?
  1. From her opinion, I expect she could have written her own post which would go something like 'I do everything house and children wise, dh works all the time and thus does nothing, fed up with doing the wife work for his family too'. Response. Unanimous Yanbu, it's up to him to organise.
  1. If he's working all hours including 2 weekends a month, that's only 2 spare. If you have 1, that's only one weekend a month where the children actually see their father and have some family time. So given their time constraints, once a month is actually a lot.

The problem seems to boil down to me to your sons work hours. Why does he work so many?

Ella31 · 13/11/2024 08:16

Fingerscrossedfor2021HK · 13/11/2024 07:26

See, the comment about recovery from a section by the OP made me prick my ears up. Depending on tone, it might have come off judgmental. And fwiw I have had two sections and was shopping in town on day 4 after my second - zero pain! I know many friends who had vaginal deliveries were out of action for way longer…

No worries. I was just stating the norm, not comparing as cases do depend on how the delivery went. And it's important that i add , i dont think one is more ideal than the other. Birth is birth.

The recovery for section is based on the scar healing not how quick you are walking after. That's an amazing recovery you had by the way. I'm having my second section in April. Hopefully all going well.

Zestyfrost · 13/11/2024 08:14

@boobygravy The OP asked me to give examples of why our relationship had deteriorated so I was trying to do so without specifics.

I have worried a lot over the years that it is me, perhaps I am mean and should be better at coping with her. It's caused me a huge amount of stress as she wants a very close relationship with us all (she freely says she would split her time living between all her children if she was 'allowed'.)

Her son and DIL confided in us last year (we didn't ask, they broached it) that her behaviour was causing issues in their marriage and they didn't know what to.do.

So I don't think it's all me - as I said previously, it's complicated and stressful.

Whcjsveh · 13/11/2024 08:09

Clearly dads should facilitate dgs relationship with their parents and in his case - I actually think he is. The trouble is that whilst men are meant to be doing more of the emotional lanour, clearly in this relationship he is also doing all of the paid labour as well. While men continue to mainly work full time - their time is more limited. Once a month in that case is quite a lot. You and DIL obviously arent friends as people and so won't meet up otherwise aka you won't see your dgs as often. There is nothing you can do really. I assume that if your son tells his wife that he wants to go part time so he can spend more time with the kids and them with you guys, she wouldn't be too pleased.

Usernamesareannoying · 13/11/2024 08:06

StormingNorman · 12/11/2024 21:08

The cynic in me thinks she won you over to win her man. Now she has her husband and child locked down, she doesn’t need to bother.

I rarely comment but this has goaded me into it. I was super nice to my future in laws - why? Because I wanted them to like me, I wanted my BF to not feel in the middle. I wanted to be one big happy family unit.

I already had my man. I didn't need my MIL to win my future DH - I was more than enough.
To be very clear, I have always been the main earner. I didn't 'need' him, I wanted him because he made me happy.

25 years later I am very low contact with my MIL - she saw my niceness and subservience as a way to have the upper hand. To make narky comments to me when DH was out of the room. To make degrading comments in public and then feign ignorance. I'm done. I still have my man. Interestingly she's now worn him down and he's low contact too.

StartleBright · 13/11/2024 08:02

OP you do sound very judgemental of your DIL. She has clearly stated that she doesn't wish to be defined by the housework, but you keep bringing it up as if by not having to do housework she owes you a 'better' relationship.
Perhaps the relationship changed when you started judging how she spends her time.
She has probably picked up that you judge her unkindly, and doesn't wish a close relationship with someone who isn't going to try and understand her.
Do you see her as a person who is interesting and worth spending time with in her own right? Maybe if you pursue this avenue you might have a chance to repair the relationship which is clearly strained and isn't going to be helped by making demands of her. Offers of help can often be perceived as a subtle put down, and whilst she may like the support and understanding (which she accepts from her own family as she trusts them) she may not be willing to accept a need for help from someone who will take the opportunity to 'one-up' her and undermine her in her own home.
This thought may help you. But it requires a change in attitude which is often difficult.

Brefugee · 13/11/2024 07:59

ABirdsEyeView · 13/11/2024 07:38

I don't necessarily think that women should facilitate relationships because they are women, but if there's a sahp and the other parent is working long hours, I do believe the sahp should try to ensure both sets of grandparents get to build relationships with the children. I'd expect a male sahp to include his in-laws as well as his own mum and dad.

i would have let hell freeze over before i did anything of the sort with my horrible MIL. I loathed her (she was a horrible woman) and her son only visited from a sense of duty anyway.

But even if I'd loved her -it is not up to me to facilitate the paternal family relationships. I have enough handling my own family relationships.

echo pp - this is where parents of sons need to instil into them how to be good fathers, husbands and sons.

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