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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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CocoDC · 13/11/2024 11:22

almay · 13/11/2024 11:17

I’m laughing at the idea having a housekeeper three days a week means there’s nothing else to be done the other four days. With two young children?? Not a hope.

If that’s the attitude I can’t really blame her for not bending over backwards to facilitate more contact

Lol. Do you have any idea what Housekeepers do? Dil will literally have no housework beyond direct childcare to do. cooking, laundry, is all sorted and this housekeeper comes 3 days a week which is a lot. But I guess she needs it if she’s driving 4 hours a day multiple times a week to see her DP.

almay · 13/11/2024 11:17

I’m laughing at the idea having a housekeeper three days a week means there’s nothing else to be done the other four days. With two young children?? Not a hope.

If that’s the attitude I can’t really blame her for not bending over backwards to facilitate more contact

CocoDC · 13/11/2024 11:16

Brefugee · 13/11/2024 11:13

Also I'd like to be treated as an equal grandparent.

you are not an "equal grandparent" in your DILs eyes. Are you honestly excting her to portion out her time with her own mother based on how little time you spend with your son? Honestly, you keep posting but are you reading?

She travels 4 hours a day multiple times a week to see her DPs and only started this after having a baby but won’t do it for pils who live closer. Seems like DS organises a monthly catch up which is nice but it does sound like dil might be mentally unwell.

Brefugee · 13/11/2024 11:13

Also I'd like to be treated as an equal grandparent.

you are not an "equal grandparent" in your DILs eyes. Are you honestly excting her to portion out her time with her own mother based on how little time you spend with your son? Honestly, you keep posting but are you reading?

AreYouBrandNew · 13/11/2024 11:01

have you discussed the situation with your other children? They might shed light on her personality/preferences?

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 13/11/2024 10:55

Pick a kids activity near her ie a play farm and take them there as a treat. Not an imposition on her with visitors in the house, you’re the good guy and it’s neutral territory. no need for small talk - lots to see and do and you can focus on grandkids.

If you can’t afford this regularly, maybe that’s what you buy for Xmas and birthdays.

I do think this is on your son though - he should be arranging time with you. There may be things going on in their marriage that you don’t know about though - this may not be about you at all.

Gowlett · 13/11/2024 10:54

What age is her baby? Having a small baby is hard.
It’s not you, it’s her. Her child is her main focus now.

CocoDC · 13/11/2024 10:52

helpamilout · 13/11/2024 10:40

We've done this once, and I would very happily do it. DIL says that it's still a bit far (this was with 1 little one, let alone 2 kids) to go, an hours drive is a lot for a child each way and that it disrupts their schedule, and she feels sad that they spend 2hrs in the car (an hour each way) rather than using that time to play outside.
Of course I could mention that she regularly does a 2hr drive to her parents' house, one way, obviously in one day... but what do I get out of this - if she doesn't want to, she doesn't want to, and forcing her won't do any good.

Why didn’t you mention that at the time? I just feel if she’s deliberately lying to you and you know that, then calling it out will help to clear the air.

Also a 4 hour drive in a day to see her family multiple times a week is insane by the way. I suspect she probably isn’t coping with being a mum and DH knows it. But you are the closer DGP so offering up more support would only help her.

arethereanyleftatall · 13/11/2024 10:49

You keep comparing yourself with her own mother and are basing everything off that. That is only going to end in your pain. I am very very close to my daughters and like to think we will be good friends once they're adults. You can't compete with that, which is a shame but reality, and trying to, isn't making you happy.

Objectively, discounting what she spends with her mother, once a month - given that fact that they have decided as a couple they'd rather your son is essentially an absent parent, but provides very well financially - is a lot.

helpamilout · 13/11/2024 10:40

Cardinalita90 · 13/11/2024 09:53

You mentioned its a couple of hours drive. Could you suggest occasionally meeting for a day trip somewhere in the middle? As other posters have mentioned, one weekend a month when he works 2 seems fair but the occasional halfway meet-up might help and remove the obstacle of the visit needing to be a few days at a time?

We've done this once, and I would very happily do it. DIL says that it's still a bit far (this was with 1 little one, let alone 2 kids) to go, an hours drive is a lot for a child each way and that it disrupts their schedule, and she feels sad that they spend 2hrs in the car (an hour each way) rather than using that time to play outside.
Of course I could mention that she regularly does a 2hr drive to her parents' house, one way, obviously in one day... but what do I get out of this - if she doesn't want to, she doesn't want to, and forcing her won't do any good.

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helpamilout · 13/11/2024 10:34

@HappyMummaOfOne

You say that your didn’t find out about the second pregnancy until she was 20weeks and that you suspect her friends knew before you. I’m sorry to say that you are probably right, she would have told people closer to her way earlier than this. But…your son could have told you, but he chose not to. Ask yourself why. Are you close?

Yes we are close! I actually asked him a short while after they announced it and he said that she wanted to keep the pregnancy quiet, not tell everyone and as it's happening inside her body he felt he needs to respect that. I didn't want to go into a full argument with him over who does know, why they knew before me etc. When she went into labour he messaged me that it's happening but asked me not to share with her that I know, because again, she wanted to keep that quiet until the baby is born. The "official" message to us that the baby is born ie when DIL was comfortable announcing and we were allowed to know, on our family group chat (myself, DH, our 4 children and their partners) came once they'd been at home for a day already.
I get the feeling that he is torn between not wanting to lose the closeness that we have as a family (ie him, siblings and us parents) but also respecting his wife's wishes and not forcing her into things she isn't comfortable with. His dad and I were very much a joint unit when raising him and I think he puts his "new" family above us parents, which as sad as it is, in my opinion is the right thing to do and what we are programmed to do from an evolutionary perspective.

If she says you have done something are you prepared to apologise or change?

Yes, absolutely! I'm willing to have a conversation about it, reflect and either do more of something that I've been missing or not repeat something I've done before.

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lemonstolemonade · 13/11/2024 10:32

Yeah, I would have found the C section comment really annoying. I mean, it's pretty obvious and something every medical professional tells you AND it is equally not the whole story because some women have to have one, some women will be better off having one and some women will have nightmare births (especially with current state of maternity services - you have to see them to fully understand now). You're basically saying that her instinct is a ridiculous one or she is a moron for not having done her research or otherwise expecting her to justify her choice to you as otherwise sensible. It's quite invasive to comment on someone else's birth choice - I think that you know it didn't go down well as you picked it out as a comment.

Re food, I agree that she might have been ungrateful, but also maybe when you visit ask your son what you can bring, emphasising that you WANT to, it's not a comment on whether DW can do it.

If you also do this in other ways, or have historically, she may just have run out of patience for making nice with two small kids.

I put a lot of effort into being nicey nicey with my MIL before marriage and kids - firstly, I had more energy for it. Secondly, I didn't feel so obviously scrutinised or compared. I do actually still do a lot for my MIL and encourage my DH to take the kids to see them with me or alone, but I don't put up with things in the way that I used to!

It sounds as if your DIL is not that comfortable around you, for whatever reason. That can be biology - hormones can make you perceive threat. But she probably can pick up on the fact that you think she is not pulling her weight domestically and maybe other subtle indicators of her being "less".

Babycatsmummy · 13/11/2024 10:30

CustardCreams2 · 13/11/2024 09:42

Gosh, she sounds worse than Megan Markle. Very sad.

What can you do 🤷‍♀️

it’s so difficult in these situations. You don’t want to push your relative even further away by confronting but you already feel like the distance is there. She’s as nice as pie the rare occasions we do see them so its hard to understand what the problem is. I completely get as an individual you almost always prefer your own family. I’ve had a few MiL related experiences when I was pregnant but they’ve been ironed out and we get on really well now. I don’t think the OP is being terribly unreasonable as it does appear there was some issue before but it does seem to have been made worse with the threats of not going to the wedding etc. sometimes you have to bite your tongue and wait for an opportune moment to have a gently conversation but either way someone will always be offended

CustardCreams2 · 13/11/2024 10:24

She sounds quite silly and immature. I don’t think you deserve this. However I do agree some of that onus is on your son, for example to insist that of course his parents will be meeting his new baby. Does he appear to be quite under her instruction all the time?

helpamilout · 13/11/2024 10:19

@Fingerscrossedfor2021HK I didn't mean the c section comment as a dig, I was sharing my experience - I've had a c section and 2 vaginal births. She knows this. I simply said that from my social circle (admittedly all these ladies have birth 30+ years ago) c sections seemed to have a longer recovery time

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helpamilout · 13/11/2024 10:17

Anxioustealady · 13/11/2024 08:51

@helpamilout could you please tell me, what's a situation you would be content with? Like how much contact, babysitting, staying over etc etc

I think more than anything, I'd like the "atmosphere" to disappear - the way that when I do visit the sighs, short responses and subtle comments suggesting it's time to leave, to not be there. Or at least for me to know what I've done to make her feel so put out every visit.

Also I'd like to be treated as an equal grandparent. Comments like "it's too far to drive to yours" when she drives the same distance to her parents' or being told about a pregnancy at 20 weeks when everyone knows. If I'm in their area anyway, I'd like to be allowed to join my grandchildren for a walk. I'm happy to pop on the train and go there and back in a day if it means a short visit to my grandkids, even a couple of hours - how much am I really inconveniencing anyone by doing this? Being allowed to visit when my grandchild is a newborn, rather than at 1mo old when her parents, their friends and everyone else has met the baby...

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Fingerscrossedfor2021HK · 13/11/2024 10:15

Hmmm - I was initially ready to put it down to DIL just being tired and wanting some time with her husband / her own parents and it’s just so more easier with your own blood relatives and to commiserate with you. However, based on some of your updates, you come off as if having a housekeeper means there is no mental load. I have 3 staff to manage and it’s extra mental load!!! Sure, I don’t physically do the laundry, cook or clean etc but I am managing what happens and when.

Also, the comment about c section recovery times likely came off (was intended to?) as judgmental / critical of an elective section. I have had two - the first planned due to placenta praevia (would have died had I gone into labour) and the second elective but in the end emergency due to reduced movements. My recoveries were a breeze and many friends who had straightforward vaginal births were surprised that I was walking within 12 hours and up and fully mobile (with minimal pain) within 24-36 and out shopping on day 4. Then there were my friends whose planned vaginal deliveries went wrong - some were still in agony months later.

I bet your DIL is picking up on these subtle or not so subtle digs.

NoisyDenimShaker · 13/11/2024 10:13

The DIL doesn't work and has a housekeeper three times a week. I don't think being too busy and stressed can be the reason that she's distant with her MIL.

Brefugee · 13/11/2024 10:10

ABirdsEyeView · 13/11/2024 08:30

@Brefugee I get that if you have really horrible in-laws, it's fair enough not to go out of your way.
But assuming they are nice enough people, in family situations where one partner is working long hours (which does enable the other to sah full time), I don't think it's entirely reasonable for the sahp to say 'your family, your responsibility'.
If someone wants to say that, then really the family set up should be both parents working and doing childcare in equal shares!
Working long hours, to provide a nice family life, shouldn't be used as a stick to beat that working parent with.

nope, i still think the expectation that DIL does it all, or most of it, and the awful criticism of DILs that don't play that game, is very unreasonable.

But in this case, as pp have already noted, i agree that DIL is doing enough, he is also facilitating visits and contact and is doing enough and OP is very judgy of DIL but very much sun-shines-out-of-son's-arse (which is fine, but not when that is also used as a metaphorical stick to beat DIL with). Their money is family money - there is an opportunity cost to the family of, for eg, them paying for a hotel (which is probably weighed by the benefit of having to host guests who the DIL for whatever reason, may not feel comfortable having in their house)

TBH i feel OP is complaining for the sake of it.

HappyMummaOfOne · 13/11/2024 09:58

Gosh, when I first started reading your post I had a moment of wondering if you were MY MIL! I remember the years of being overly polite, trying to make a good impression, biting my tongue when MIL made inappropriate or rude comments (or shocking “observations” on peoples weight, looks ect) and then one day I just stopped trying because guess what…nothing I do or say will ever be good enough for MIL.
My MIL is just “too much” for me and I got sick of the constant judgement and criticism so I now try to avoid her, refuse to communicate with her anymore (WhatsApp messages get muted…I really don’t need pictures of her in her bikini on holiday 🙄 especially when not one message ever asks how we are, it’s just a stream of her holiday snaps! When my daughter was born I sent pictures of her and the response back was a picture of what she was having for dinner on holiday ….with the message “tell me you are still breastfeeding and haven’t given up” 🤯) and I now encourage my husband to visit them (alone or with the kids) and he needs to message his parents as it’s not my job.
when they visit I am polite but am basically just a body in the room. I don’t ask questions, I answer with a very short response and just smile and nod for the visit. I have completely disengaged because I no longer want to be fake friendly when I KNOW (heard from other family members) that she talks badly about me and the kids behind my back, judges our parenting (funny how everything is blamed on me when my husband and I make joint decisions).

Although you may be completely different from my MIL I wonder if some of your comments have just worn down your DIL. The comments about c-sections could have frustrated her. If she was considering one she didn’t need your opinion on them. She could have just been informing you on her choice and you decided to “advise” her that recovery is slower blah blah…I’m pretty sure she did research and was making the best decision for HER! (My MIL was very anti c-sections and said I was “too posh to push” 🙄 when it was actually chosen due to medical issues I was having.) I now make sure not to tell my MIL any information about me, pregnancies (I had placenta issues and had gestational diabetes for my second pregnancy and she knew nothing about it as I don’t want her knowing ANYTHING about me that she can use to gossip to other people about.)
MiL has no idea what happens in our lives because her son isn’t close to her and can never be bothered to share it with her.
You say that your didn’t find out about the second pregnancy until she was 20weeks and that you suspect her friends knew before you. I’m sorry to say that you are probably right, she would have told people closer to her way earlier than this. But…your son could have told you, but he chose not to. Ask yourself why. Are you close?

You mention wanting to ask DIL if there is a problem…I’m not sure this would go down to well. What are you expecting her to say? What if you don’t like her response? What if you haven’t technically done anything but she just doesn’t like you as a person?
If she says you have done something are you prepared to apologise or change?
If my MIL outright asks me how do I tell her I need her to have a full personality transplant and to stop being rude and offensive for us to have a better relationship? How do I tell her the constant judgement and unsolicited advice winds me up? I also live with her son so can clearly see the outcome of her parenting so believe me I will do the opposite of her “parenting” as she has done so much emotional damage to my husband it is heartbreaking.
The only thing I think you can do is to ask your son again. Ask if you have done/said something to DIL to upset or offend her. Explain how you feel there has been a shift and a change on her part and that you would like to understand if you have done anything to cause it. Explain that you would like to have a better relationship with her and would like to know how to facilitate it. Ask your son for pointers on how to connect with her more. By asking him how you can become closer to his wife he is more likely to open up.

anicecuppateaa · 13/11/2024 09:54

Laiste · 13/11/2024 09:04

As the thread carries on something's occurring to me - the concept of Wife Work. It's alive and kicking.

Many people still (even subconsciously) lump 'keeping the inlaws in the loop' as wife work.

OP is doing this. That's why we have the long explanations about how much the housekeeper does and the clues in the language.

OP is thinking ''The housekeeper is doing HER (wtf?) laundry so DIL can replace doing HER housework with seeing more of HER inlaws ''. It's as clear as day.

A couple of times now OP has mentioned DIL saying she's not one for doing housework. Another clue. If there were no kids and DIL was still working they'd still have a housekeeper and DIL would still be saying she's not one for housework.

I bet the son isn't ''one for housework'' either. That's why they've carved out a life together where neither of them has to do it.

OP has said herself that her son and daughter in law have been together since the son's business was still small and DIL had a good career and she's not a golddigger. As a couple they've decided SAHM is best for the kids. The kids. Not best for wife work.

Yep. This.

My own DM had the cheek to tell me I should do more to arrange things with ILs last week. I told her in no uncertain terms that she should be ashamed of her old fashioned views. I hold down a (better paid than DH) city job, organise a house with 3 under 5s and organise seeing my family. Its a DS problem OP.

Cardinalita90 · 13/11/2024 09:53

You mentioned its a couple of hours drive. Could you suggest occasionally meeting for a day trip somewhere in the middle? As other posters have mentioned, one weekend a month when he works 2 seems fair but the occasional halfway meet-up might help and remove the obstacle of the visit needing to be a few days at a time?

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 13/11/2024 09:45

Two changes that happened to affect my relationship with in laws when I got pregnant:

  1. My body was suddenly everyone's business. I was being poked, prodded and questioned incessantly throughout pregnancy (as well as being ignored by health professionals). I became more private because I thoroughly sick of being treated as a vessel.

  2. I suddenly and dramatically lost shedloads of personal time when the baby was born. Before he arrived I had so much more time to spend on other people. After he was born, the in laws dropped down/off the list a while, because I had a fully functioning husband to do that.

The combination of these things made me withdraw a bit.

That's not to say that it sounds like your DIL is being fair (certainly not now she's past baby two!). But these are the reasons that I withdrew/changed.

MIL is downstairs babysitting now, so needless to say it wasn't permanent.

Apolloneuro · 13/11/2024 09:43

thepariscrimefiles · 13/11/2024 09:38

Absolutely. If OP's DIL's parents were just seeing their grandchildren once a month too, OP would probably be perfectly happy with the amount of contact she currently has. It sounds like she feels in competition with her DIL's parents, so feels short-changed and hard done to, when she actually spends a perfectly reasonable amount of time with her son's family given his work schedule.

That’s actually a good point. Once a month is brilliant amount to be seeing family that live away.

CustardCreams2 · 13/11/2024 09:42

Babycatsmummy · 12/11/2024 23:19

This has happened with my brother. He and his fiancée don't have children though.
He used to visit us all the time ( family live in various locations from a 10 minute walk to a 45 minute drive away so not too far away) and regularly call and text. He met his fiancée and slowly the logistics changed in our relationship. I've never particularly warmed to her since she cheated in him early into their relationship then decided to give up her job and stay at home spending his money. They recently bought a house "together"... meaning he put a 30k deposit down and she's put nothing but is on the mortgage with her part time job ( she decided she was bored at home 24/7).
I've tried so many times to visit him, make plans as I've recently had a baby and bought a house but he never responds to calls or texts. We have a family group and she does all the talking. More recently, a family member has been in hospital and asked us not to tell another family member due to some personal issues and the SIL decided that the family member had a right to know and told them which has caused a falling out.

My brother hasn't spent one Christmas with his family in 7 years because he says we live too far away. Her family are a 4 hour drive away but they manage to make it there.

It's a very sad situation indeed.

Gosh, she sounds worse than Megan Markle. Very sad.