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To be confused why DIL has suddenly changed in how she treats me

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helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:23

My son is in his mid-30s and has been with his wife for nearly a decade. They dated for 3-4 years before getting married. When they were dating, she was lovely—chatty, friendly and extremely polite, almost overly so, often saying things like, “Do you mind if I use your bathroom?” or “Thank you very much” for even small gestures.

After they got engaged, everything still seemed fine. But a couple of weeks before the wedding, they told us she was six weeks pregnant, and that’s when things began to change. She became more private and somewhat secretive about the pregnancy (which is of course her right—it was just very different from how she had been before). She was quieter in conversations and didn’t reach out to us as much as she used to. I don’t believe we did anything to cause this; we avoided giving unsolicited advice and tried to be supportive. The only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned C-sections having longer recovery times when she shared she was considering it, but that seems minor.

We also expressed that we were very excited to meet the baby, though we didn’t pressure them with specific timing. We ended up meeting our grandchild when they were one month old, while her mom met the baby in the hospital and her dad when the baby was just three days old. When she was pregnant with their second, they didn’t tell us until she was 20 weeks along, even though it seemed her close friends already knew.

They never ask us to babysit but often ask her parents. They visit her parents once a month, but they only come to see us once or twice a year, despite us living the same distance away (a couple of hours, though in the opposite direction). I do see them a bit more often because I go to visit them, but they never invite me to stay overnight, whereas her mom often stays with them.

It’s perhaps worth noting that my daughter-in-law is a stay-at-home mom, and my son works long hours, sometimes on weekends. While arranging visits should ideally be a joint effort, it often falls on her since my son can’t really insist on her seeing us when he isn’t around. My son does make an effort to plan visits with us when he’s off work, but when I do visit, she seems distant and disengaged. I’ve heard her mention that the drive to us is “far,” yet she drives the same distance to her parents regularly. During visits, she often seems uninterested and sometimes responds quite shortly. For instance, when I asked how long the baby typically naps, she just shrugged and said, “Depends.” And when I brought a homemade banana cake for everyone to share, she laughed and said he doesn’t like bananas anymore.

I’m confused what has caused this. I’ve asked my son but he says everything is fine. Should I ask her? If so, how? Can MNers see what I’ve made done wrong or help me guess?

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AlexandrinaH · 15/11/2024 14:51

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 21:48

If not too private, can you give me a few pointers as to what in her behaviour was difficult for you? Maybe I do some of those without realising?

I also wonder if it's an age thing, a generation thing, a personality thing.

For example, my mum once told me what with my SIL (brother's wife) she always tried to make her feel part of the family, in a way treated her more warmly than she did my brother. Ie if we all met for lunch she'd comment on how great SIL looked before she'd compliment my brother, if she was commenting on the children's good behaviour she'd often attribute it to SIL, if she made a cake it would often be SIL's favourite cake. I tried to do the same with my DIL, for example if a picture is sent I'll often say either something like "aww my favourite couple / favourite family" or "I love your dress, DIL!" But now I wonder if maybe that's overbearing or somehow too personal? Maybe outdated?

Yes, possibly. My MIL was like this and it was way too much. I hated the attention because I’m an introvert. I was a lot like your DIL in the beginning too, overly polite.

We don’t get on because I found it too much and it created an atmosphere whenever she was around. It made me tense and uncomfortable. Now she just throws derogatory comments my way.

Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 14:49

Just enjoy life with other children, family and friends.

They know where you are.
Don't burn bridges but don't waste time when you could be enjoying life.

AlexandrinaH · 15/11/2024 14:48

PennyCrayon1 · 12/11/2024 21:45

Sections don’t have a longer recovery time compared to vaginal births, so maybe she thought you were judging her a bit and she is worried about sharing information with you

I can’t see where this was originally posted but surely they generally do have a longer recovery time…?

They do! I had one a few years ago and it took weeks to completely heal.

Jingleballs2 · 15/11/2024 14:48

To put it simply, she's going to be closer to her own mother than you, hence why she sees her more and is comfortable with her staying over. It's up to your son to be arranging yo see you really

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 14:46

thepariscrimefiles · 15/11/2024 14:44

Her son is nice to her so why would she leave him out of her will?

Dils family is also the richer side anyway. Kinda pointless would just show that mil is a cash for baby access grandparent / parent.

thepariscrimefiles · 15/11/2024 14:44

Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 14:37

Do younhave other children?
Spend time with then instead.
Be kind polite and available.
Do invites, send cards and gifts.

But leave them to it if they don't return the kind gestures.

Make sure they are left nowt in the will.

Edited

Her son is nice to her so why would she leave him out of her will?

AlexandrinaH · 15/11/2024 14:43

Lavender14 · 12/11/2024 21:00

'If she’s relying on her DP so much she probably isn’t coping. I would probably call out the rudeness immediately as and when it arises - eg a simple ‘I wouldn’t know as you never tell me about the baby’ re the banana cake would be enough.'

Is this really what a mum who isn't coping needs though??? @CocoDC to me that would finish the relationship rather than help it if she's struggling.

It’s comments like those suggested that make me dislike my MIL.

Don’t ever do that OP if you want to have a good relationship.

Gummybear23 · 15/11/2024 14:37

helpamilout · 12/11/2024 20:38

@Alittlebitfluffy

Is he one to avoid confrontation and just bury his head in the sand? Is he any different with you or is it just her?

He's no different with me. If anything, he's more talkative over WhatsApp and calls us more, I guess because previously it would be her arranging visits or sending us some holiday snaps, but now it's him.
When I asked he just said "yes she's just busy being a mum, you know how it is" but I'm 99% sure it's not just that. I don't feel like I should constantly ask him to avoid pressuring him and also, if he wanted to, he'd have told me when I first asked.
I guess he doesn't like drama but I wouldn't say he avoids confrontation.

ask if you could come and stay overnight one weekend and she how she takes it?

I frequently offer to babysit but they always say no. I don't feel like I can ask to stay overnight and she's already frosty with me, would inviting myself over not make it worse? Would I be overstaying my welcome?

I think you're right, I need to ask her. Just need to figure out... how to word it.

Do younhave other children?
Spend time with then instead.
Be kind polite and available.
Do invites, send cards and gifts.

But leave them to it if they don't return the kind gestures.

Make sure they are left nowt in the will.

ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 14:35

@Blahdeblah24 dil won't invite her mil over for shorter midweek visits/inclusion in the dc activities or let her dh take them to his parents by himself or let mil babysit. Whatever mil asks for, it's a no. And this attitude seemingly extends to the DHs siblings. So it isn't anything OP specifically is doing - it's a 'dil doesn't want or need them so cba to include them' issue.

There's nothing OP can do that doesn't put her DS in a harder position. I suspect there's quite a bit of conflict between them on this attitude, which DS obviously won't share with his parents out of loyalty to his wife and probable unwillingness to draw his parents' attention even more to her obvious rudeness.

OP, just carry on making the effort to see your son. If you were minded, you could gently see if he's open to discussing this with you but tread carefully. Sometimes you just have to roll with the fact that your child has landed themselves with someone who isn't very nice and just do what you can to keep your son close.

Catsbreakfast · 15/11/2024 14:32

Summerhillsquare · 12/11/2024 20:29

Biology rules usually.

Being rude as hell is not biology

UserNameNotAvailable9 · 15/11/2024 14:29

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 13:55

I think from everything I've said, how I've seen the twins interact throughout their life and in adulthood, how DIL is around DS2... she doesn't dare come in between the two brothers as much or doesn't object to DS2 being around because she knows (very correctly) that DS1 is very protective of his relationship with DS2, and it may not end well for her if she was to make it a "he's not allowed in our house" type thing.
So I think if DS took the baby to "secretly" meet me instead of DS2 or announced I'm coming without asking her "permission" there would be even more drama.

So she doesn’t come between the twins., (Has even been on family holidays?). Is that not the end of the answer to that question. No, DIL does not come between the twins.

Why do you mention - should wouldn’t dare ban him from their house? You are assuming she would like to. You are projecting that onto her. Has she actually banned anyone from her house? Or even tried to?

why do you mention - she wouldn’t dare come between them? You are assuming and suggesting she wants to. That is also coming from you (as far as I can see)

The black and white facts are she doesn’t come between the twins and has never tried to ban anyone from her house.,

Aside from some over the top behaviour (which you will never let go by the sound of it) in the first month of one of the babies lives…you DIL has not come between your sons

its things like this people are picking up on I think when mentioning your judgement/dislike etc

Blahdeblah24 · 15/11/2024 14:21

She's probably only had to go to the Drs for a post natal check once unless she has other health concerns. Other than that she'll be taking the kids for jabs and developmental reviews. She probably just doesn't need a babysitter very often at the moment. I'm sure as the DC get older and they regain a bit of an adult social life that will change but they may just opt to pay for a babysitter though rather than calling in family from miles away.

I wouldn't invite my MIL (who lives an hour and a half away) to babysit for the docs or hairdressers either.

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 14:17

I still think it would feel very rude to ask my mil to travel two hours so I could get a hair cut or get my contraception check done.

She clearly has a support system in place for such things.

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 14:10

@Wellingtonspie

I mean you judged her for not doing her own cleaning.
Sorry, I must have missed this. How have I ever judged her for this? If anything I've said it's great that DGCs get to have a mum who is happy being a mum, rather than fed up of household chores.

A hair cut, so one hour. You going to drive to hers two hours away to watch the baby for one hour?
I would happily, yes. Then do other things in London for the rest of the time.

Or she probably just books those kind of treatments in for when she’s visiting her family anyway. Doctors most mums I know tend to take baby’s/toddler unless something like smear test.
She's said she never takes her kids to the doctor because it would be a nightmare

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Blahdeblah24 · 15/11/2024 14:05

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 13:58

She needs a babysitter if she goes for doctors appointments, gets her hair cut, pretty normal things. I don't see why anyone would judge her for that - should she just avoid going to the docs for the next few years?

The only person judging her here is you.

She can either take the DC with her, ask her husband, her mum, a friend or even her housekeeper to watch them for an hour. She hasn't asked you so she obviously already has a solution.

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 14:01

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 13:58

She needs a babysitter if she goes for doctors appointments, gets her hair cut, pretty normal things. I don't see why anyone would judge her for that - should she just avoid going to the docs for the next few years?

I mean you judged her for not doing her own cleaning.

A hair cut, so one hour. You going to drive to hers two hours away to watch the baby for one hour?

Or she probably just books those kind of treatments in for when she’s visiting her family anyway. Doctors most mums I know tend to take baby’s/toddler unless something like smear test.

She doesn’t need hours long babysitting which most women would probably feel like they were taking the piss to ask their mother in law to travel for a hair cut. Wouldn’t feel so piss takey asking your own mum though.

Blahdeblah24 · 15/11/2024 13:59

@helpamilout do you have very different political ideas to your DIL? Could it be that?

Sorry but you sound a bt pushy to me @helpamilout it would drive me mad if my PILs were forever trying to arrange to see us when you are already tired and busy with a young family.

You said your DIL sees your DD regularly and the cousins get together to play and they see their uncle and you as grandparents regularly. They've been on family holidays with DS twin and family. You might wish it were different but it souds like quite a normal family set up.

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 13:58

Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 13:54

Honestly the amount of times I’ve effectively hosted mil to see the grandchildren without dh is zero.

We have nothing in common bar dh and the children and honestly that leads to a very very boring conversation.

Clearly something was going on with her during that one month where she didn’t want to see any you after birth.

At 3 and nearly one I can again see why she wouldn’t want unnecessary babysitting. Let’s be honest here you’d probably judge her for it too since you already made points about having a cleaner and cook. What could she possibly need a sitter for.

She needs a babysitter if she goes for doctors appointments, gets her hair cut, pretty normal things. I don't see why anyone would judge her for that - should she just avoid going to the docs for the next few years?

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helpamilout · 15/11/2024 13:55

Suzuki76 · 15/11/2024 13:42

Given she was shitty about her DH's entire family including his twin meeting the baby for a whole month, I would recommend you actually take this less personally than I initially thought!

I think from everything I've said, how I've seen the twins interact throughout their life and in adulthood, how DIL is around DS2... she doesn't dare come in between the two brothers as much or doesn't object to DS2 being around because she knows (very correctly) that DS1 is very protective of his relationship with DS2, and it may not end well for her if she was to make it a "he's not allowed in our house" type thing.
So I think if DS took the baby to "secretly" meet me instead of DS2 or announced I'm coming without asking her "permission" there would be even more drama.

OP posts:
Wellingtonspie · 15/11/2024 13:54

Honestly the amount of times I’ve effectively hosted mil to see the grandchildren without dh is zero.

We have nothing in common bar dh and the children and honestly that leads to a very very boring conversation.

Clearly something was going on with her during that one month where she didn’t want to see any you after birth.

At 3 and nearly one I can again see why she wouldn’t want unnecessary babysitting. Let’s be honest here you’d probably judge her for it too since you already made points about having a cleaner and cook. What could she possibly need a sitter for.

helpamilout · 15/11/2024 13:51

sleepandcoffee · 15/11/2024 13:48

Are you a family of smokers or heavy drinkers ? I'm just wondering if there's something that is clouding her view of you all ?
Are you all outgoing people whereas perhaps she's more reserved ?
This does sound like it's not a problem she has with you personally but just the whole family 🤔

None of my children, myself or my husband smoke. DH and I drink maybe 2-3 glasses of wine each once every couple of weeks with a nice meal / if we celebrate, but nothing excessive.
We are close as a family, and happy to see each other, chatty, but not loud in the sense of anyone having a particularly loud voice, shouting, playing loud music.

OP posts:
Blahdeblah24 · 15/11/2024 13:48

ABirdsEyeView · 15/11/2024 13:33

@Blahdeblah24 how does one not feel resentment at someone who treats them as dil treats the OP?
I thought the OPs posts have been fair and measured. Buts she's not going to love someone who so clearly treats her like shit!

Treats her like shit? Well we don't know that to be fact do we as there are two sides to every story...

I think seeing them on a monthly basis is very much in the realms of normal. We didn't see my PILs or indeed my own parents that much. If they lived around the corner it would be a bit stranger but as the OP lives a couple of hours away from London travel will indeed be a key consideration with preschool age DC.

As for babysitting the DIL will have had DC1 and possibly been breastfeeding, then been pregnant again, then had second DC and possibly be (and still be breastfeeding) so it's entirely reasonable that she hasn't taken up the OP's 'many many' requests to babysit. The DCs ages are possibly another reason why they don't want to have to travel with them as it's a palaver at that stage and why the son doesn't take them to his parents by himself for the weekend.

" There's also nothing wrong with us visiting for an hour or two during the week if we're in London anyway, regardless of whether DS is there or not."
According to you. If your DIL invited you but she hasn't which is her prerogative.

sleepandcoffee · 15/11/2024 13:48

Are you a family of smokers or heavy drinkers ? I'm just wondering if there's something that is clouding her view of you all ?
Are you all outgoing people whereas perhaps she's more reserved ?
This does sound like it's not a problem she has with you personally but just the whole family 🤔

Suzuki76 · 15/11/2024 13:42

Given she was shitty about her DH's entire family including his twin meeting the baby for a whole month, I would recommend you actually take this less personally than I initially thought!

Whcjsveh · 15/11/2024 13:40

Clearly your DIL doesn't want to see you without your son so mid week won't happen and you already see them once per month.