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AIBU to think that if you're in police custody you shouldn't be able to get out of the car?

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Chowtime · 12/11/2024 18:30

Thinking of the awful news today about a 17 year old girl being transported who got out of the police car on the M5 and died 😓. Aren't those cars fitted with child locks?

OP posts:
ImJustAGirlInACountrySong · 12/11/2024 19:20

Burst tyre?
Mechanical problem?
Medical episode? Either girl/officer?
Did she make a grab for taser/pava?spray the driver or other officer?

sel2223 · 12/11/2024 19:15

"The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said the teenager was being transported to custody by Avon and Somerset Police before the incident"

This does suggest that the vehicle has suddenly stopped on the hard shoulder mid transportation duty rather than being at an incident actually happening on the motorway. It also seems unlikely to be a MH related detention if she was being taken to custody and not to a hospital or other place of safety.
'Custody' would suggest she was under arrest.

All conjecture at this stage though with such limited info.

Patienceinshortsupply · 12/11/2024 19:08

We live not far from the M5 in Gloucestershire and it's frequently closing these days due to "concern for welfare" incidents. It may well have been a MH crisis that she was detained for and then this happened.

Anotherworrier · 12/11/2024 19:07

It doesn’t sound good does it but we don’t know any details about it and and I’m sure the life’s of all those affected, including the police officers and their families, have been changed forever. So sad.

Jc2001 · 12/11/2024 19:05

Chowtime · 12/11/2024 18:30

Thinking of the awful news today about a 17 year old girl being transported who got out of the police car on the M5 and died 😓. Aren't those cars fitted with child locks?

I'm guessing, like most of us you have no idea of the circumstances around this tradegy, so maybe wait until we find out what actually happened.

sterli2323 · 12/11/2024 19:04

We also don’t know that she was arrested, she could have been a reported missing person being returned home, she could have been unwell and being take to hospital or place of safety to be assessed, she could have been seeking help from DV, or fleeing abusive parents.
whatever happened is a tragedy for the officers, the family and the driver that hit her - this will never go away from them.

RIP young lady, life taken too soon and greatest sympathy and respect tot hose who have to live with the aftermath.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 12/11/2024 19:04

Chowtime · 12/11/2024 18:59

We do know. She was in a police car. And at least one police officer had to have been in there too, to drive it.

The police statement uses the term ‘police vehicle’ twice. It’s the news article I’m reading that is using the term car. You get small
police vans.

Anyway, the point is we don’t know enough to speculate, what happened or whether if police who can’t put up with a bit of ‘thrashing about and noise’ (so ridiculous) should be police officers.

lochmaree · 12/11/2024 19:02

Stretchedresources · 12/11/2024 19:01

I was wondering if she'd had a dreadful MH breakdown and tried to escape. Whatever happened it's very sad.

I wondered this too.

Stretchedresources · 12/11/2024 19:01

I was wondering if she'd had a dreadful MH breakdown and tried to escape. Whatever happened it's very sad.

doodleschnoodle · 12/11/2024 19:00

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 12/11/2024 18:51

I guess we will know more in time, but I was surprised she was able to get out.

It put me in mind of those twin sisters years ago who were stopped by traffic police on a motorway. One ran straight in front of a lorry, she survived. The whole thing was filmed by one of the Police Action series.

Folie a deux! The Eriksson sisters. Their story is wild ride.

Chowtime · 12/11/2024 18:59

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 12/11/2024 18:57

Has it been determined what vehicle she was in? Was she in a car or in a police van (where she wouldn’t have had a cop in with her).

No. We don’t know.

We do know. She was in a police car. And at least one police officer had to have been in there too, to drive it.

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sel2223 · 12/11/2024 18:58

Coconutter24 · 12/11/2024 18:55

Hard to speculate what we think might of happened because we’ve heard very little information. Even if she was to of become violent and they needed to change her to a different vehicle this wouldn’t/shouldn’t happen on the hard shoulder because that isn’t the safe option

Depends how unsafe it was deemed to be in the vehicle and why? Maybe the hard shoulder was the only/ best option?
As you said, hard to speculate with so little info but I don't think there are many police vehicles stopping on the hard shoulder with a prisoner in the back so there must have been a reason

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 12/11/2024 18:57

Has it been determined what vehicle she was in? Was she in a car or in a police van (where she wouldn’t have had a cop in with her).

No. We don’t know.

Coconutter24 · 12/11/2024 18:55

TheShellBeach · 12/11/2024 18:42

I imagine that she became very violent in the back seat, so they stopped on the hard shoulder, to wait for a van to transport her safely.

Unfortunately she managed to get out of the police car and got run over.

Hard to speculate what we think might of happened because we’ve heard very little information. Even if she was to of become violent and they needed to change her to a different vehicle this wouldn’t/shouldn’t happen on the hard shoulder because that isn’t the safe option

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 12/11/2024 18:53

Simonjt · 12/11/2024 18:50

How were you transported in a police car?

gets arrested and put in a cop once so is an expert on cuffing and how police cars works

You can be cuffed to the front or the rear. Cuffs can be slipped.

PennyNotWise · 12/11/2024 18:51

Deleted-my mistake

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 12/11/2024 18:51

I guess we will know more in time, but I was surprised she was able to get out.

It put me in mind of those twin sisters years ago who were stopped by traffic police on a motorway. One ran straight in front of a lorry, she survived. The whole thing was filmed by one of the Police Action series.

Simonjt · 12/11/2024 18:50

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 12/11/2024 18:45

That’s bullshit.

How were you transported in a police car?

Simonjt · 12/11/2024 18:50

TheShellBeach · 12/11/2024 18:47

What a ridiculous comment!

How were you transported in a police car?

TheShellBeach · 12/11/2024 18:47

Simonjt · 12/11/2024 18:41

As someone who has been arrested, due to the way you are cuffed you cannot remove the seatbelt yourself, so if the officer can’t cope with a bit of thrashing about and noise they may need to consider their suitability. Door locks are also engaged and controlled per door, not just front/back.

What a ridiculous comment!

lifeturnsonadime · 12/11/2024 18:46

Really sad story. Something must have gone wrong procedurally though, No matter how violent a person is, and frankly they will be used to dealing with that, she shouldn't have been able to get out of the car onto the motorway.

thatischarming · 12/11/2024 18:46

You would think it would not be possible wouldn’t you? I imagine there would be a big risk of people jumping out and escaping if they could especially in a volatile situation in the heat of the moment. I would have thought she would be handcuffed as standard. (I have witnessed several young people being arrested and they have always been handcuffed as they would be if they were an adult.) Tragic story all round.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 12/11/2024 18:45

Simonjt · 12/11/2024 18:41

As someone who has been arrested, due to the way you are cuffed you cannot remove the seatbelt yourself, so if the officer can’t cope with a bit of thrashing about and noise they may need to consider their suitability. Door locks are also engaged and controlled per door, not just front/back.

That’s bullshit.

sel2223 · 12/11/2024 18:43

Simonjt · 12/11/2024 18:41

As someone who has been arrested, due to the way you are cuffed you cannot remove the seatbelt yourself, so if the officer can’t cope with a bit of thrashing about and noise they may need to consider their suitability. Door locks are also engaged and controlled per door, not just front/back.

Actually, you can be cuffed either to the front or rear and it's normally based on a risk assessment.
Same with whether you have someone sitting in the back with you or not.

I know quite a few police officers and one female I know was kicked in the face by a prisoner sat in the back while she was driving causing an accident which could have been a lot worse. She had her nose broken. It's not always a case of 'coping with a bit of thrashing about'.
I wonder how they would assess suitability to getting your nose broken while driving?

Another scenario could be that she faked a medical episode to get the vehicle to stop? I'm sure it will all come out in the wash

TheShellBeach · 12/11/2024 18:42

I imagine that she became very violent in the back seat, so they stopped on the hard shoulder, to wait for a van to transport her safely.

Unfortunately she managed to get out of the police car and got run over.

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