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To think Justin Welby shouldn't have to resign?

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Gatecrashermum · 12/11/2024 14:46

It sounds like he was told the police had been informed. I'm not sure he's personally responsible for this.

YABU he is right to resign
YANBU he didn't need to resign

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HRTQueen · 12/11/2024 16:21

Why did it get to the point where he resigns

And he should be arrested

Again men in power protecting other men in power who abuse children

IMustDoMoreExercise · 12/11/2024 16:20

noblegiraffe · 12/11/2024 15:03

How can a supposed moral leader not immediately see that the moral thing to do in this situation is resign? It's utterly baffling.

He has no morals.

I remember his recent interview on the BBC about assisted dying.

He didn't care that people were suffering intolerably just like he didn't care that children were being abused.

Nasty, nasty man.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 12/11/2024 16:17

Redteacup · 12/11/2024 15:02

He has resigned. Glad he has but I really thought he was one of the better ones 😞

No he is rotten. I remember his recent interview on the BBC about assisted dying.

He didn't care that people were suffering intolerably just like the didn't care that children were being abused.

Nasty, nasty man.

DeathstarDarling · 12/11/2024 16:16

According to the Times, one of the abused wrote to Welby 16 letters and never got a response. Where the concern is for the institution and not the people then he failed in his duty to his flock in my view. As the most senior person in that institution, after the king, he needs to be held accountable.

Meadowfinch · 12/11/2024 16:16

He was effectively the CEO of the CofE, he is supposed to lead and the buck stops with him.

He knew Smyth was an active CSA yet he did nothing to ensure he was immediately (the same day) reported to the police and arrested.

He should have resigned years ago.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/11/2024 16:05

Ironically the potential of a female archbishop is only made possible by Welby welcoming female bishops.

Was that down to welby specifically or more that it was well overdue? In any case so what? Are the women clergy supposed to be grateful to the male hierarchy for finally joining the 20th century in the 21st?Hmm

NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/11/2024 16:03

hairbearbunches · 12/11/2024 15:50

I expect he'll be resigning on a full pension + other lifetime income. The establishment looks after its own. He's a fucking disgrace. I don't know how people can think well of the church when it's stuffed to the gunnels with men who are happy to keep abuse hidden because it suits their powerbase. Kudos to those who tried to get it into daylight. If we have to continue with this crap, it's about time we had a female Archbishop, and there has never been a better time to argue the case.

What - like his mate Paula Vennals?

ErrolTheDragon · 12/11/2024 16:02

YABU.

Of course, he shouldn't be a scapegoat and let all the other culpable parties off the hook. Other people in the CofE , police...was there any comeback against whoever at Winchester knew what was going on at the camps, stopped their own boys from further involvement but didn't expose smythe then?

MonkeyToHeaven · 12/11/2024 15:59

OrwellianTimes · 12/11/2024 15:53

Ironically the potential of a female archbishop is only made possible by Welby welcoming female bishops.

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I'm not sure having a women archbishop is going to solve the problem, it was nuns that were happily selling babies in the Catholic Church. It's the institution. I'm struggling to think of an institution that doesn't protect itself above all else.

GinnyPiggie · 12/11/2024 15:56

His resignation is largely symbolic. Not that it isn't the right thing to do.

However, the process used to be that the church referred priests to the police, and then police referred them back to the Bishop to make a decision (which was usually to move them to another parish). Smyth was referred to the police twice. It's not unreasonable for the church to think that they have done their part. The church isn't there to hold the police to account.

It's basically a mess, and I doubt that they will find another senior Bishop who wasn't involved in one of these cases.

IKEAJesus · 12/11/2024 15:56

NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/11/2024 15:34

I wonder what currently unreleased information may have encouraged that sudden change of mind?

It said on BBC News that the King “exchanged private words with Justin Welby through intermediaries this morning”

Not sure if any of those words were “off”…

OrwellianTimes · 12/11/2024 15:53

hairbearbunches · 12/11/2024 15:50

I expect he'll be resigning on a full pension + other lifetime income. The establishment looks after its own. He's a fucking disgrace. I don't know how people can think well of the church when it's stuffed to the gunnels with men who are happy to keep abuse hidden because it suits their powerbase. Kudos to those who tried to get it into daylight. If we have to continue with this crap, it's about time we had a female Archbishop, and there has never been a better time to argue the case.

Ironically the potential of a female archbishop is only made possible by Welby welcoming female bishops.

Enigma52 · 12/11/2024 15:53

hairbearbunches · 12/11/2024 15:50

I expect he'll be resigning on a full pension + other lifetime income. The establishment looks after its own. He's a fucking disgrace. I don't know how people can think well of the church when it's stuffed to the gunnels with men who are happy to keep abuse hidden because it suits their powerbase. Kudos to those who tried to get it into daylight. If we have to continue with this crap, it's about time we had a female Archbishop, and there has never been a better time to argue the case.

Absolutely agree!!

OrwellianTimes · 12/11/2024 15:52

NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/11/2024 15:34

I wonder what currently unreleased information may have encouraged that sudden change of mind?

Probably the pressure from the Bishops and media.

If he didn’t step down he’d shame the Anglican Church further than it’s already been shamed by this scandal.

Zimunya · 12/11/2024 15:51

There was a petition, shared on Mumsnet, asking him to resign. If I recall correctly, that petition was started by three bishops.

Projectme · 12/11/2024 15:51

hairbearbunches · 12/11/2024 15:50

I expect he'll be resigning on a full pension + other lifetime income. The establishment looks after its own. He's a fucking disgrace. I don't know how people can think well of the church when it's stuffed to the gunnels with men who are happy to keep abuse hidden because it suits their powerbase. Kudos to those who tried to get it into daylight. If we have to continue with this crap, it's about time we had a female Archbishop, and there has never been a better time to argue the case.

Totally agree

hairbearbunches · 12/11/2024 15:50

I expect he'll be resigning on a full pension + other lifetime income. The establishment looks after its own. He's a fucking disgrace. I don't know how people can think well of the church when it's stuffed to the gunnels with men who are happy to keep abuse hidden because it suits their powerbase. Kudos to those who tried to get it into daylight. If we have to continue with this crap, it's about time we had a female Archbishop, and there has never been a better time to argue the case.

MisterPNumber23 · 12/11/2024 15:47

BIossomtoes · 12/11/2024 15:41

Good riddance. I bet all the bishops are jostling already.

I'll bet! Wonder who's going to be in the running for the top job.

BIossomtoes · 12/11/2024 15:41

Good riddance. I bet all the bishops are jostling already.

Mosalahiwoukd · 12/11/2024 15:40

Why should we keep protecting men in power who aided, abetted, protected or ignored child sexual abuse for their or their church’s own benefit or reputation?
Why??
Why do ‘men of god’ abuse their positions of power if they really are holier, better, than the rest of us?
They can all fuck off. Laying out laws and judgments and morals for others while abusing.
He’s got the morals of an alley cat, he’s been forced into this and I don’t doubt that he feels it’s unfair.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/11/2024 15:34

I wonder what currently unreleased information may have encouraged that sudden change of mind?

Enigma52 · 12/11/2024 15:31

Good riddance to him.
And as for keeping his wife and kids in our prayers; well what about the poor kids whose lives were ruined?

How many more cover ups must this country endure?

Nanny0gg · 12/11/2024 15:28

My problem is that he has dug his heels in and it's taken a huge amount of pressure to get him to go.

And now he decides: 'I must take personal and institutional responsibility, '

That's not what he said a little while ago

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