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Has this friendship run its course?

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Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 09:21

I've written about this friend before.

I think we've been friends for 3 years, we met after I posted in a local Facebook group.

Although we don't have a lot in common, we liked each other enough and there was enough "chemistry".

However, this year things changed. We started noticing that her DH will look for ways to NOT split the tabs evenly when going out for example.

Then she decided she'd come to cook for me to celebrate my birthday (I did post about that) I was extremely uncomfortable about the idea, and in the end they came and watched the football (which I totally dislike).

We also looked after their dog and in turn they looked after hours. We hosted their dog while they'd just come and check on ours (it was only for the odd night away) but what they never told is that the neighbours had complained before about our dog being distressed. We thought she was fine. We now have a wonderful dog sitter, but if I had known from the very start our dog was so unhappy we would never have done it.

Then this weekend she came to pop in with minimal notice (10 mins) and when I was telling her about my latest conundrum (which has the full support of my DH) and she just started telling me off. So I feel like I can't be ME around her so to speak.

I'm ND and I have severe attachment issues. I go through phases of really not liking people, so I don't know if I'm going through one. I don't have many friends (just another one who I like and we have more in common) but then that's it.

From a very utilitarian POV I'm concerned about losing the few friends that I have.

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TH1NG1E · 12/11/2024 14:55

They were doing you a favour with the dog, you sound a tad ungrateful. However I'd never dream of leaving my dog with someone just checking in!

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 14:47

Waterboatlass · 12/11/2024 14:23

Ok so there's a cultural difference too which might explain some of the different approaches.

Look. If you think she and her husband are basically decent folk, not perfect but good hearted, but on a slightly different wavelength then don't ditch them if you're worried about not having many friends locally.

Just as I say, scale the friendship back to neutral territory, get to know them better. Stop doing and receiving favours (maybe in an emergency), so it is a friendship based solely on company. Not a tally of who's done what for whom, even if started with the best of intentions. No shared bills. If you go out to eat, look for places where you order and pay at the bar, separately. Maybe a few simple activities together, cinema or park run with the dogs or something so you build that common ground?

I do think the dog is on you really. If they fed, watered and walked it as they said they would then they did what they offered. If doggo was crying then leaving it with that level of supervision wasn't adequate and that isn't their fault. You know for next time.

The bill sounds like a misunderstanding rather than trying to pay a quarter.

Look, try and be clearer about what you mean. Meet on neutral territory. Be assertive if she's overpowering again.

The whole point about the dog is that they knew she was distressed (we didn't).

If I had been in their shoes I would have immediately told them as soon as they got home that the dog was distressed and that we needed a dog sitter. Not offer to do it again.

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Waterboatlass · 12/11/2024 14:23

Ok so there's a cultural difference too which might explain some of the different approaches.

Look. If you think she and her husband are basically decent folk, not perfect but good hearted, but on a slightly different wavelength then don't ditch them if you're worried about not having many friends locally.

Just as I say, scale the friendship back to neutral territory, get to know them better. Stop doing and receiving favours (maybe in an emergency), so it is a friendship based solely on company. Not a tally of who's done what for whom, even if started with the best of intentions. No shared bills. If you go out to eat, look for places where you order and pay at the bar, separately. Maybe a few simple activities together, cinema or park run with the dogs or something so you build that common ground?

I do think the dog is on you really. If they fed, watered and walked it as they said they would then they did what they offered. If doggo was crying then leaving it with that level of supervision wasn't adequate and that isn't their fault. You know for next time.

The bill sounds like a misunderstanding rather than trying to pay a quarter.

Look, try and be clearer about what you mean. Meet on neutral territory. Be assertive if she's overpowering again.

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 13:41

Maddy70 · 12/11/2024 13:37

Why should they split the tabs evenly ? Sounds like they are watching their finances carefully. Maybe why she wanted to cook your birthday meal rather than go out.

The dog thing.... you surely know your dog. Getting someone to pop in is unacceptable. They need a proper dog sitter.

They go on holidays every other month, and they have openly said when they had no money.

I did tell her that I'd rather just go for a glass of wine, that having to host her for my birthday.

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Maddy70 · 12/11/2024 13:37

Why should they split the tabs evenly ? Sounds like they are watching their finances carefully. Maybe why she wanted to cook your birthday meal rather than go out.

The dog thing.... you surely know your dog. Getting someone to pop in is unacceptable. They need a proper dog sitter.

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 12:51

Outtherelookingin · 12/11/2024 12:47

What culture is that 😄 never heard a whole culture be described like that before. OP I get it - mostly ADHD here with some autism - we don't want to lose the few friends we have BUT you do need to insert boundaries - 'no sorry I don't care for football' etc - doesn't have to be bold and brash but does need to be said. I'd probably continue with the friendship but only ever meeting in neutral places and no more favours- more of a lightweight friendship than full on.

I'm Latin American, and she's Eastern European.

So for example, we always tend to know that an excuse means NO.

But also some things are out of context "ahorita" could mean anything from "right now" to "never".

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Bbq1 · 12/11/2024 12:48

Falalalalah · 12/11/2024 12:33

But you and your DH have voices. Why don't you just say 'We paid £130 -- the rest is yours' or 'We didn't eat'? Or, to go back to your OP, 'I don't to watch football' or 'It doesn't suit me to have you come round now'?

It just sounds like lots of this is poor, or unclear communication.

Gave similar advice upthread but it seems Op and dh can't or won't speak up thus rendering her Op almost pointless.

Outtherelookingin · 12/11/2024 12:47

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 12:41

Because I didn't want to be "impolite", plus she already knew that I despise football (for example).

We both come from cultures where you "read between the lines" open frank communication is something you do only when really annoyed.

What culture is that 😄 never heard a whole culture be described like that before. OP I get it - mostly ADHD here with some autism - we don't want to lose the few friends we have BUT you do need to insert boundaries - 'no sorry I don't care for football' etc - doesn't have to be bold and brash but does need to be said. I'd probably continue with the friendship but only ever meeting in neutral places and no more favours- more of a lightweight friendship than full on.

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 12:41

Falalalalah · 12/11/2024 12:33

But you and your DH have voices. Why don't you just say 'We paid £130 -- the rest is yours' or 'We didn't eat'? Or, to go back to your OP, 'I don't to watch football' or 'It doesn't suit me to have you come round now'?

It just sounds like lots of this is poor, or unclear communication.

Because I didn't want to be "impolite", plus she already knew that I despise football (for example).

We both come from cultures where you "read between the lines" open frank communication is something you do only when really annoyed.

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Falalalalah · 12/11/2024 12:33

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 11:58

The point is that obviously we had already cleared a good chunk of the bill. Also, because we paid for a bottle of wine. So of a total of £200, we had already paid £130. There was no way we had only consumed £70 between us and my DH did say he went to settle up.

Another time, they halved the bill when they were the only ones that actually ate.

But you and your DH have voices. Why don't you just say 'We paid £130 -- the rest is yours' or 'We didn't eat'? Or, to go back to your OP, 'I don't to watch football' or 'It doesn't suit me to have you come round now'?

It just sounds like lots of this is poor, or unclear communication.

Bbq1 · 12/11/2024 12:18

They sound rubbish friends and you should just start limiting contact - if you want to stay in touch with them for some reason. If you want to end the friendship either just completely let it slide or confront them about their behaviours.

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 11:58

Bbq1 · 12/11/2024 11:20

Does dh not have the ability to speak up and say, "Oh, I've just paid our half, Dave"? Did he just meekly pay half of the friends bill without explaining?

The point is that obviously we had already cleared a good chunk of the bill. Also, because we paid for a bottle of wine. So of a total of £200, we had already paid £130. There was no way we had only consumed £70 between us and my DH did say he went to settle up.

Another time, they halved the bill when they were the only ones that actually ate.

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Bbq1 · 12/11/2024 11:20

TH1NG1E · 12/11/2024 09:56

So it was actually your DH who caused the bill splitting issue? Paying for elements before he knew what the bill was?

Does dh not have the ability to speak up and say, "Oh, I've just paid our half, Dave"? Did he just meekly pay half of the friends bill without explaining?

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 10:26

Waterboatlass · 12/11/2024 10:15

Did looking in on the dog involve walking it and spending some time with it?

Yes, they came to walk the dog and feed the cat.

The neighbours spoke to BOTH of them on 4 different occasions (with a mix of my friend and her husband). We only knew this after the neighbours told us and we then confirmed with them.

They BOTH knew our dog had been very distressed before they did "look after" her again without telling us. I wish they had told us our dog had been distrsseed.

Yes, I'm mostly autistic with some ADHD thrown in

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Waterboatlass · 12/11/2024 10:15

Did looking in on the dog involve walking it and spending some time with it?

TH1NG1E · 12/11/2024 10:12

Say the bill was £100 plus a tip, let's say £110. What did your DH pay from that?

Falalalalah · 12/11/2024 10:10

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 10:01

She knew because the neighbours had already complained TO them (and they didn't tell us about it)
And my DH did say he was paying.

Again, though you seem to keep changing your mind about which one of them did the thing that is annoying you -- you say it was your friend's DH who asked to split the bill, and you say 'they' were looking in on your dog, and the neighbour spoke to 'them'' about your dog being distressed. Are you saying they both did every welfare check? That the neighbour spoke to both of them?

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 10:01

DaniMontyRae · 12/11/2024 09:54

Did he know your dh had already paid half the bill? Unless your dh said he was going up specifically to pay how would this other bloke know?
As for the dog thing, it's easy to see how your friend didn't know your dog was distressed when no-one was around because your dog would have been fine when she was there

She knew because the neighbours had already complained TO them (and they didn't tell us about it)
And my DH did say he was paying.

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KatParr · 12/11/2024 09:59

I think the friendship has absolutely run its course. I understand what you mean about having phases of disliking people etc (could be overwhelm) I get that too. But it sounds more than that to me. Keeping her as a friend, just to "have friends" wouldn't be right. It's ok to only have one or two friends. If you're also ND (you don't say which type but if autism then it's not surprising) and have attachment issues, it's another layer of complication, but don't let that make you feel you're somehow in the wrong.

As someone else said, if you're not excited at the prospect of seeing her, something is wrong. If you really don't want to let go yet, scale back on seeing her drastically and then reassess.

pimplebum · 12/11/2024 09:59

I think the bar tab was a miss understanding

telling you off is hard to judge without context and details

dog thing seems like miss communication

I would not make hasty decision and be clear with your communication

Falalalalah · 12/11/2024 09:58

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 09:48

I don't think I'd care TBH, but then maybe I would in a week.

The bar tab, well let's say that my DH went to pay our half, and then the server came with the remainder (which was theirs) and obviously it wasn't enough for all of us, but then he suggested to split again.

That sounds like a simple misunderstanding, and certainly not a reason to end a friendship. Plus this was your friend's DH, not your friend. It sounds as if you're looking for reasons to end the friendship.

TH1NG1E · 12/11/2024 09:56

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 09:48

I don't think I'd care TBH, but then maybe I would in a week.

The bar tab, well let's say that my DH went to pay our half, and then the server came with the remainder (which was theirs) and obviously it wasn't enough for all of us, but then he suggested to split again.

So it was actually your DH who caused the bill splitting issue? Paying for elements before he knew what the bill was?

DaniMontyRae · 12/11/2024 09:54

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 09:48

I don't think I'd care TBH, but then maybe I would in a week.

The bar tab, well let's say that my DH went to pay our half, and then the server came with the remainder (which was theirs) and obviously it wasn't enough for all of us, but then he suggested to split again.

Did he know your dh had already paid half the bill? Unless your dh said he was going up specifically to pay how would this other bloke know?
As for the dog thing, it's easy to see how your friend didn't know your dog was distressed when no-one was around because your dog would have been fine when she was there

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 09:48

Falalalalah · 12/11/2024 09:40

Well, if she messages you and says 'Are you free for a coffee/drink at the weekend?', does your heart sink or are you pleased at the idea? Do you enjoy her company? If you imagine never hearing from her again, does your heart sink, or do you feel relieved and lightened?

Honestly, you are the only one who can say if there are any benefits to you in continuing the friendship?

I don't think I'd care TBH, but then maybe I would in a week.

The bar tab, well let's say that my DH went to pay our half, and then the server came with the remainder (which was theirs) and obviously it wasn't enough for all of us, but then he suggested to split again.

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Falalalalah · 12/11/2024 09:40

Chattenoire · 12/11/2024 09:38

I actually don't know! And her husband and my DH have become friends too, but my DH totally sees my POV.

Well, if she messages you and says 'Are you free for a coffee/drink at the weekend?', does your heart sink or are you pleased at the idea? Do you enjoy her company? If you imagine never hearing from her again, does your heart sink, or do you feel relieved and lightened?

Honestly, you are the only one who can say if there are any benefits to you in continuing the friendship?

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