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Burnt out, is it always your own fault?

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JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 05:12

I’ve reached total burnout from a project at work. It has made me physically unwell with stress and mentally I feel like an utter failure. It has built up gradually over the year, over which time I’ve been told on one hand by my employer that it’s entirely my own fault as my standards are too high, and on the other hand by our client that the standard of work is not good enough. I feel like I’ve been stuck in the middle trying to meet client expectations whilst feeling increasingly isolated and have resorted to working long and stressful hours to try to overcome feelings of self-doubt. We work remotely and I feel this is a huge part of the problem, no one can see who is struggling or who needs help and when. A lot of people are happy to clock in late, clocks off early and rarely work Fridays. No one really takes an interest in what is really going on with others.

I’ve tried to raise my worries earlier but am continuously met with the attitude of “it’ll be fine you’re overthinking it”, but this week have been pushed to the edge and have broken down from the worry of trying to complete the work. I don’t even know what I’m asking really, I feel so deeply ashamed that I’ve put so much into my work thinking it mattered and it turns out it means nothing to anyone. Please be kind, AIBU to leave?

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FrostFlowers2025 · 12/11/2024 19:03

I've had this a few times in my career. It typically comes from being stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand you are not suppose to work such long hours (they don't like paying you for them or it clashes with their policy of maximum hours) and on the other the work needs to be finished to a certain standard. Your coworkers managed to handle it, so why can't you?

Except...that was not exactly the truth. I asked my coworkers and they said they were working the same hours as I did, but wrote down the standard 40 we are all contracted for, so they basically worked for free just to get their supervisors off their backs. This alleviated the pressure a little, but they were all still hovering near a burn out and some did, same as me.

In a way, it was my fault. I tried to live up to impossible standards and conflicting requirements. I often let my frustration over this impossible situation get to me and endlessy tried to plead with my boss about how it wasn't workable and not sustainable. Yet, I kept fishing those chesnuts out of the fire and somehow got the work done, but at increasing expense to my own well-being and free time (though I never lied about my hours).

Why did I do it? I still don't know. I do, however, know that the situation was not off my own making and it would have been over a lot sooner if I had just let things burn and let the responsibility lie with my boss, where it belonged in the first place.

I ended up leaving and changed my attitude for my current employer. I started as I meant to go on. So no rabbits out of hats and I will not be putting out fires, as that is not my job. I do not get paid for that kind of responsibility. Sometimes I get a supervisor who will complain, but they only do it once, as I refuse to change. I also have moments where I fall back into my old habits (fundamental change takes time) but I have gotten a lot better at recognizing the feeling of frustration. Instead, I now focus on identifying the source of the frustration and dealing with it. I am also prepared to let things burn.

Ultimately, none of it will matter after I leave. I am not saving lives or preventing wars. Few people will remember me once I am gone and I find that I am actually good with that.

HydrangeaBush · 12/11/2024 18:06

Thanks OP for starting this thread :)

JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 17:59

I was really reticent to post anything on here, I’m glad I did

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JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 17:58

Wow this is fascinating thank you for sharing. How interesting, I also identify with a couple of the background issues and definitely with the codependent work relationship!! Right, I guess I should get on it then and start being a better role model for my kids …. If that’s not enough to incentivise me to stand up for myself and do better than nothing is.

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HydrangeaBush · 12/11/2024 17:56

Oh gosh yes you've explained that even more than I had realised. I love feedback from my learners....

Bananamanlovesyou · 12/11/2024 17:54

@HydrangeaBush yes you are bang on in describing that relationship to your job as a dysfunctional relationship! That was a real light bulb moment for me. When you are suddenly looking to work to provide with validation, self esteem, purpose etc you suddenly realise that is not right and to be honest is a very unrealistic expectation of a place of work and your managers! I can still remember the wry smile my counsellor gave me when we were discussing codependency int he context of addiction and I said ‘ I think I’m in a co-dependant relationship with my job 😂

HydrangeaBush · 12/11/2024 17:19

@Bananamanlovesyou - er Addicted parent (and associated trauma) check.... Neurodiversity - both kids are and I'm waiting for assessment ... check...

I know this isn't my thread but funny how the common theme is there. I feel like my relationship with my job currently is a bit like going back to a dysfunctional relationship. I decide to leave, then I get Scared Of New Things , then I think "it's not that bad really if I do xyz" and then something else happens. And just not being able to see my way out.

I have a job interview Monday but keep feeling like I can't do wiit whilst simultaneously cross I haven't achieved more in life given my brain and qualifications.

OP - if you really don't need to work .... cut down? I need the income so its a bit tricker.

Bananamanlovesyou · 12/11/2024 16:54

@JillyGoat I would say these were lifelong traits caused by a mixture of growing up with an addicted parent, neurodiversity and just being me I guess. I don’t think normal boundaries and a strong sense of self were ever modelled to me so I had to fill in the gaps for myself. Everyone will have their own patterns and I’ve found counselling very helpful in teasing this out. I’ve had several bouts of counselling and still have the occasional session. The biggest difference is a strong sense of self which is really hard to describe but it’s something about being my own best friend and being untouchable and being in control.
People can only affect you if you let them. Other people’s opinion of me is not fact! That is very freeing. I’m not doing bad at all now. It’s still something I have to work on constantly like tending a garden. Do what is right for you. If you want to put down a boundary and say this isn’t working for me and look for a new job that is not running away or perhaps you might want to stay and work on those things within the role you have. Your choice. Good luck , no one deserves to feel like this and I hope you find a way through.

HydrangeaBush · 12/11/2024 15:10

JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 14:11

I’m so glad that was available to you, I’m pretty sure we don’t have much similar but the idea of having someone who can help you to make sense of some of the challenges and not doubt yourself is a great one. My first thought was “I could be a mentor” but NO Jilly, you NEED a mentor!

Ha I relate to this so much. One job I've applied for is a mentor role...

And I've looked at some mental health roles too while thinking I need support!

thanksicloud · 12/11/2024 14:46

For me I think I’m fighting against being perceived as useless or stupid in some way

Your employer, who thinks you are doing too good a job, needs to communicate this to their client.

forgotmypassagain · 12/11/2024 14:22

MereDintofPandiculation · 12/11/2024 14:14

“Fighting against being perceived as useless” is “seeking external validation, is it not?

OP I know what you mean about feeling that. It’s brutal.

MereDintofPandiculation · 12/11/2024 14:14

JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 06:45

This is a huge help thanks, how did things work out for you? Also, where do you think those traits came from? For me I think I’m fighting against being perceived as useless or stupid in some way. Which I now feel as a product of how I’ve worked not what I’ve produced.

“Fighting against being perceived as useless” is “seeking external validation, is it not?

JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 14:11

GrimbutGerbil · 12/11/2024 13:57

@JillyGoat I got a mentor via a training course which I was doing for people in my position in my particular kind of small organisations. So they completely understood the issues (which are not rare) and were already campaigning about mental health in the sector.

There are lots of good people out there, but try to find someone with experience of your particular area as that helped me feel really understood. My mentor also, in the end, was most useful in helping me to leave...

I’m so glad that was available to you, I’m pretty sure we don’t have much similar but the idea of having someone who can help you to make sense of some of the challenges and not doubt yourself is a great one. My first thought was “I could be a mentor” but NO Jilly, you NEED a mentor!

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GrimbutGerbil · 12/11/2024 13:57

@JillyGoat I got a mentor via a training course which I was doing for people in my position in my particular kind of small organisations. So they completely understood the issues (which are not rare) and were already campaigning about mental health in the sector.

There are lots of good people out there, but try to find someone with experience of your particular area as that helped me feel really understood. My mentor also, in the end, was most useful in helping me to leave...

JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 12:44

Oh that’s really interesting @GrimbutGerbil thank you for sharing. That’s a great suggestion, how did you find a mentor in a small organisation or was it outside? I can see how that must have been a big help. I’m so glad you’ve come through it and feel stronger for it, I am also in the position where I’m not sure I want to go down the doctor route and to some extent am finding it hard to stop.

I’m amazed how many of us seem to be in a similar position, in just a morning there have already been so many replies with similar stories. I feel a bit less alone thank you all.

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GrimbutGerbil · 12/11/2024 11:46

Hello, slightly risky posting it on this username, but who cares.

This happened to me earlier this year and I was signed off sick by the doctors, but couldn't stop entirely as it was a tiny organisation. I wish I had left then.

Quite a few of the 'risk factors' were the same as you - a really unempathetic manager (who still makes no sense to me); gaslighting in the form of changes to contract and my role which I wasn't told about and was expected to work out; not being good at boundaries and to some extent people pleasing.

The advice about doctors and propanolol (sp?) is all good. But the single thing that helped me most was getting a mentor. (I was actually given one for free because someone I'd asked for help was so worried about me). To have someone who just laughed every time I told the next part of the saga was deeply liberating. But she also helped me set boundaries and supported me in leaving.

I'm now working for myself, and, amusingly, most of the freelancers I used to work with are now collaborating with me, not the place I left... Other people can smell toxic too.

Ginmonkeyagain · 12/11/2024 11:37

Yes. If the client is unhappy with the work and your employer disagrees you need to arrange a meeting witth both sides, you seem burnt out as you are trying to please both parties.

It could be the client is right, it could also be they have unrealistic expectations for the contract or money they are paying.

thanksicloud · 12/11/2024 10:07

describing a situation as “odd” (which it patently is) is not being unkind

thanksicloud · 12/11/2024 10:06

JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 10:01

It doesn’t get to that point - they argue with me because I take on board the feedback and work with it (because I think it’s good feedback and I agree with it).

Please, I asked for people to be kind not to interrogate. It’s really helping to hear from people who have been in a similar position and how they moved forwards.

my advice

you need to have a meeting with both the client and the employer (who presumably the client engaged with and is paying!) all together.

and as for not letting it escalate…. it’s really not in your employer’s interests to piss off their client

forgotmypassagain · 12/11/2024 10:04

JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 09:58

Thank you, I’m so sorry to hear this it sounds absolutely awful. How was your employer, did they understand how the situation had come about and have they been supportive? I’m not feeling much empathy from mine which is making the whole situation feel so much worse.

Honestly when I finally spoke up they were good.

i work in financial services and in a fast paced (break neck speed) environment. I made it clear that it was too much for me to constantly work like that. Everything always being urgent or an emergency.

I also wanted to address it by staying at my work but I did make it clear that I’d be signed off if I felt it was needed. The doctor said he’d have no problems writing me a sick line.

please do address it though OP because honestly work is never really that important in the grand scheme of things. Something I try to repeat/ask myself is “will I need to worry about this/will this affect my life a year down the line?” And the answer is usually no.

JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 10:01

thanksicloud · 12/11/2024 09:55

So very odd
the employer arguing with the client that the work is too good
so very odd

It doesn’t get to that point - they argue with me because I take on board the feedback and work with it (because I think it’s good feedback and I agree with it).

Please, I asked for people to be kind not to interrogate. It’s really helping to hear from people who have been in a similar position and how they moved forwards.

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JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 09:58

forgotmypassagain · 12/11/2024 09:54

Hi OP
I reached burn out earlier this year (end of august time) and it was honestly one of the worst times of my life. I wasn’t sleeping, I was vomiting frequently due to pure nerves. I was crying often while on my own. I was a complete bag of nerves. It was all work related.
i ended up going to the doc and getting propranolol which has been great. I also started counselling and working on why I catastrophise. In addition I’ve also cut my working hours and this has been wonderful.

you need help and only you can make that happen. Please Take time off work if you need it. You’ll never be thanked for working through torturous anxiety and burnout.

you can do it 😊

Thank you, I’m so sorry to hear this it sounds absolutely awful. How was your employer, did they understand how the situation had come about and have they been supportive? I’m not feeling much empathy from mine which is making the whole situation feel so much worse.

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thanksicloud · 12/11/2024 09:55

JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 09:54

I’m not quite such an obvious way (because I don’t let it escalate to that point), yes. And btw I agree with the client.

So very odd
the employer arguing with the client that the work is too good
so very odd

forgotmypassagain · 12/11/2024 09:54

JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 05:12

I’ve reached total burnout from a project at work. It has made me physically unwell with stress and mentally I feel like an utter failure. It has built up gradually over the year, over which time I’ve been told on one hand by my employer that it’s entirely my own fault as my standards are too high, and on the other hand by our client that the standard of work is not good enough. I feel like I’ve been stuck in the middle trying to meet client expectations whilst feeling increasingly isolated and have resorted to working long and stressful hours to try to overcome feelings of self-doubt. We work remotely and I feel this is a huge part of the problem, no one can see who is struggling or who needs help and when. A lot of people are happy to clock in late, clocks off early and rarely work Fridays. No one really takes an interest in what is really going on with others.

I’ve tried to raise my worries earlier but am continuously met with the attitude of “it’ll be fine you’re overthinking it”, but this week have been pushed to the edge and have broken down from the worry of trying to complete the work. I don’t even know what I’m asking really, I feel so deeply ashamed that I’ve put so much into my work thinking it mattered and it turns out it means nothing to anyone. Please be kind, AIBU to leave?

Hi OP
I reached burn out earlier this year (end of august time) and it was honestly one of the worst times of my life. I wasn’t sleeping, I was vomiting frequently due to pure nerves. I was crying often while on my own. I was a complete bag of nerves. It was all work related.
i ended up going to the doc and getting propranolol which has been great. I also started counselling and working on why I catastrophise. In addition I’ve also cut my working hours and this has been wonderful.

you need help and only you can make that happen. Please Take time off work if you need it. You’ll never be thanked for working through torturous anxiety and burnout.

you can do it 😊

JillyGoat · 12/11/2024 09:54

thanksicloud · 12/11/2024 09:46

this gets odder and odder

so the client is saying (and presumably your employer is aware of how their client is feeling!) that the work is shit

But your employer is saying to their client basically - you are wrong! In fact the work is “too good”??

I’m not quite such an obvious way (because I don’t let it escalate to that point), yes. And btw I agree with the client.

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