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Who is being unreasonable about the heating?

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Adizona · 11/11/2024 19:53

Two colleagues work in a clinic.
A works in the clinic which is large room, open plan with no windows, 2 adjustable setting radiators and air con.
B works on the reception desk which is medium room, floor to ceiling windows which do not open and a door along the front, one non adjustable radiator and air con.
All radiators are controlled by hive which is set to 22 degrees (temperature only reaches 21 degrees with the heating on) and the hive thermostat is in reception.
The on/off button for the heating is in the staff room which can only be accessed via the clinics.
A is constantly complaining that they are hot and keeps turning the heating off via the on/off button leaving B complaining that they are freezing and keeps going back to turn on the heating back on.
A says B can put on extra layers, B says that they are already wearing thermals and has a blanket as the door keeps being opened by patients and the windows let a lot of cold in.
B says that A can turn the radiators down/off, A says this doesn't work as the radiators are still slightly warm if the heating is on and she want them cold.
Both women are perimenopausal age (if that is at all relevant)
So who is being unreasonable and how can this be resolved?
Management are useless, avoid confrontation and will not get involved.

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ODFOx · 12/11/2024 09:13

To be honest it sounds as if the issue is that the outside doors are letting all the heat out. There should be a lobby or at least 2 sets of doors to save as much heat as possible, otherwise even if the reception area were heated to 25 degrees, the temperature will still plummet on cold days.
Is there the possibility to put up
A screen around the reception desk to cut some of the draft?

Attelina · 12/11/2024 09:13

A needs this and will never be cold again.

www.argos.co.uk/product/9190629?clickPR=plp:1:63

DataPup · 12/11/2024 09:13

Maddy70 · 12/11/2024 09:01

The hot one can't do anything to reduce the heat the cold one can add extra layers

Only people who don't feel the cold think you can just add more layers.

Ohthatsabitshit · 12/11/2024 09:10

What does A wear to work? Are they in a cotton dress and bare legs?

Whenyourgonehowcanievengoon · 12/11/2024 09:09

But also sounds like A is being unreasonable to not even turn the radiators down to 0. It shouldn't get that warm surely if the rads are switch to off!

Whenyourgonehowcanievengoon · 12/11/2024 09:07

Pfpppl · 12/11/2024 08:37

Can they add a thermostatic radiator valve to the one in reception so it can be controlled? Can the person who is too hot have the aircon on if the heating is also on?

I'd say turning off the radiators in the clinic is the simplest solution and that A is being unreasonable. If my office was 12 degrees I'd be going home!

Yes do this. Get the hive thermostatic that can go in individual radiators and zone off each room to its own temp!

Timeforaglassofwine · 12/11/2024 09:07

Can you not swap seats?

Hyperbowl · 12/11/2024 09:06

Twelve degrees is far too low and although there isn’t a set law there is guidance for it to be above 16 for office based jobs and 13 for labour intensive jobs. Health and safety states that temperature must be comfortable. I would put in writing my intention to raise a form dispute with ACAS if they refuse to intervene and sort it. They may not want confrontation but as management is their job so sometimes you have to do things in order to get the ball rolling to make sure that they do.

Maddy70 · 12/11/2024 09:04

Get an oul filled radiator ti go near your desk. They are a very low fire risk

BaronessBomburst · 12/11/2024 09:03

I was always freezing at work and had a blanket and hot water bottle as well as layers of woollen clothing. As yet another winter dawned I decided I'd had enough and told my manager that I was handing my notice in.
Within a week I had a portable heater. Within a month they'd repositioned the air ceiling vents, eliminating the draughts.

So, A is being unreasonable and you'll have to be even more unreasonable than her in order to get management do anything about it.

Maddy70 · 12/11/2024 09:01

The hot one can't do anything to reduce the heat the cold one can add extra layers

Frowningprovidence · 12/11/2024 09:01

I dont know the answer other than 12 degrees is too low.

Tgey do say heat the person not the room so could you get a heated gillet. They have a battery and some charge via a USB. My sons school is outdoors and a lot of staff have them.

I'm not sure what the fire risk of a portable heater was, but they also make infra red things that wall or relining mount.

Ineffable23 · 12/11/2024 08:42

That sounds very cold for a desk job - if you are not moving it's very chilly at 18 degrees. I would get a temperature logger, share the data and that will make it clear it's not acceptable to have the heating off. There is a minimum legal temperature for workplaces (I think 16) and if it's dropping below it that will be your key point. If it isn't you may have trouble.

Pfpppl · 12/11/2024 08:37

Can they add a thermostatic radiator valve to the one in reception so it can be controlled? Can the person who is too hot have the aircon on if the heating is also on?

I'd say turning off the radiators in the clinic is the simplest solution and that A is being unreasonable. If my office was 12 degrees I'd be going home!

BenditlikeBridget · 12/11/2024 08:28

I think you should keep a written log of the temperatures during each day. And maybe a log of what you’re having to wear each day too! Then I would escalate it again to management in writing.

Adizona · 12/11/2024 08:16

Both are around same size.
Portable/oil heaters are not allowed.

I am B, I wear base layer of thermals including socks, warm clothes on top, large cardigan/jumper and a blanket, I also wear fingerless gloves. I cannot wear more but I’ll ask about a heated seat warmer.

A is a difficult person, very used to having things how they like them and creates a terrible (toxic) environment if it isn’t, this is why management won’t help and there isn’t HR so I’m kind of stuck with what to do.

Today A is working with someone who also hates being cold so we will see what happens, DH has said I should tell management that I will go/stay at home on full pay until they help resolve things.

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eightIsNewNine · 11/11/2024 23:33

Is it even legal in the UK to let someone work a desk job at 12 degrees?

A is totally bonkers, not allowing the heating to just pass through the room.

PickAChew · 11/11/2024 22:58

Does the one who keeps turning it off not have thermostatic radiator valves in their room so they can just turn their radiators off? That would be the best solution.

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 11/11/2024 22:52

Plug in seat warmer? Double doors to not let all the cold in? Get the heating changed to a thermostat per room? Reassess the fire safety as a plug in oil heater really is safe? It feels like there is a solution that doesn't involve grown women just stropping and sulking.

Wigtopia · 11/11/2024 22:39

B needs to get a hot water bottle to stick the the jumper or rest on the lap.

RockItLikeRocketFuel · 11/11/2024 22:33

MagneticSquirrel · 11/11/2024 20:10

22 is far to hot for a working environment! That’s stuffy! I’d be asleep!

Why can’t hive temp be set to 18C and the cold person gets a heater?

We'd be having the same argument! My ideal working temperature is 23.

another1bitestheduck · 11/11/2024 22:32

A is being unreasonable. I'm a cold preferer and hate it being too stuffy but A has the option to turn the heaters off. If they are completely off and never come on there's no way they will still be 'a little bit warm' and even if they are it's going to be negligible.

If the reception area only reaches 18.5 even with the heating on all day then the clinic room without any heating on is not going to get much hotter (if it even gets that hot), and that's a completely reasonable temperature to work in. If patients are sitting with their coats on then the reception area can't be that warm.

I appreciate there's a reason you didn't specify but are they noticeably different weights, as that can affect how much you feel the cold but can also be harder to address sensitively.

Tiswa · 11/11/2024 21:56

If patients are complaining and B is unhappy then of course A needs to turn off her radiators and cope - patients cannot wait in 12 degrees

Adizona · 11/11/2024 21:55

Tiswa · 11/11/2024 21:43

Do patients wait in the reception area that is 12 degrees which is far too cold

Yes, there was a complaint today about it being cold from a patient.
B told A but A refused to put the heating back on because patients aren’t waiting to long compared to them who were working in it all day, B escalated to management who weren’t on site and they said A and B need to figure it out.
Average wait time is 10 mins.

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Tiswa · 11/11/2024 21:43

Do patients wait in the reception area that is 12 degrees which is far too cold

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