To ask your alternatives to Botox?

Botox and fillers are the only things that work but you need to be very subtle and find a very good practitioner. I aim for "slightly less knackered" rather than youthful.

I have a tret prescription from Klira.
I'm
Really happy with the results so far.

I'm 62 and the only real lines I have and are deep and annoying are top of my nose and vertical ones between my eyes- any great solution for those that don't involve Botox??

Careful what you wish for! 😮

Dermatica is a good online supplier for tret. Or if you’re in Spain/Portugal in the near future it’s cheap over there. And you can get away with no prescription.

Self confidence.

Honestly, I think botox is ridiculous.
We are supposed to grow old.

Tret is not a lotion or potion; it's proven to work in the long run.
Retinol is useless.

You mention you've used retinol - is that over the counter retinol or tretinoin? Tretinoin is way stronger and does seem to make some difference and has some scientific basis - it helps with sun damage and can soften wrinkles by stimulating collagen. However you have to be patient, it takes six months to a year to see effects. It's also dead cheap from online pharmacies (mine costs about £5 a tube)

But expensive branded creams will make zero difference apart from making your skin feel nice.

If it's the fear of needles stopping you with botox, I'd rethink. I have a serious needle phobia too but botox needles are nothing. 1 out of 10. Like plucking an eyebrow hair. You can hold ice on the injection site if you really want to but you really don't need to. Everyone will tell you it's absolutely fine and they're right!

O no! well.. sleep on your side alternate nights, on a pillowcase you can hotwash

Thank you. The very first thing my doctor said to me was 'I won't be making you look younger. But I can make you look fresher and like you've just come back from the best holiday of your life.'

And that's all I wanted.

I think this will be my solution when my lines get deeper! 😂

I am in a similar position to you op, though it's not the wrinkles that bother me, more the fact that the lower half of my face seems to be sagging and I have lost my jawline! Realistically nothing but a face lift is going to fix that, and I have no intention of doing something so drastic for vanity reasons.
I am trying to work on accepting myself and doing my best with decent skincare, make up and healthy diet but the truth is I still look in the mirror and despair at the sight of my face!

All of this. So true.

I would love to be able to sleep on my back but for some stupid reason I always wake myself up having bitten my tongue!

I am envious of my husband and his amazing beard. He can basically hide his whole face, lines an' all with hair. Another advantage men have over women. Absolutely no fair!!!!

And I’m 60, drink alcohol and eat meat and fish. I look younger than my years and have no real wrinkles at all.

Completely agree about the alcohol free vegan whole food diet. My diet sounds similar to yours. I've been following this for about 5 years, and at 55 look younger than I did in my 40s. Although I say it as shouldn't, my skin glows.

All of this.

Botox, if done well, is such a subtle but incredibly refreshing procedure.

The people that you know have had it done, have had too much, too often. That’s what gives the frozen look, with the shiny/waxy skin. I assure you, you won’t look like that from well-spaced out appointments and starting small with how many units you have (try 10 units in your forehead to start).

The needles are so, so fine, you can barely feel them, and most practitioners will offer you numbing cream anyway so it’s painless.

For general skincare maintenance, I agree with the other posters mentioning Tretinoin. It’s prescription only, but you can get it prescribed through a dermatologist on Skin & Me or Dermatica if you don’t want to go through your doctor or don’t already see a dermatologist. There’s really nothing else as effective as that.

Other than that, water x 10000, double cleanse, moisturise and SPF.

Yea there's a massive spectrum between wrinkled and overdone hollywood faces. Subtle botox is brilliant, I don't look eternally grumpy anymore. Not trying to look younger, no-one looks younger. Just less tired and grumpy.

Vaseline at night over your usual creams and serums. Don't gain and lose weight.

I hate lipstick (the feel as well as the look) and I like wine.
I’m 60. Don’t give much of a fuck whether I look it or not, though I think I look younger as it goes (others say the same). Part of that is genetics. Part, I’m sure, is that I’ve never worn much in the way of make up, and none at all for the last 10 years.

Microcurrent facials, I've had them for years (luckily my practitioner is a friend and I get it super cheap) .
I'm 59 but regularly get told I look 10 years younger, I'll take that :-)