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Wrinkleyoldbag · 2024-11-11T13:03:44+00:00

I’m nearly 40 and my face in the last year seems to have crumpled like a crisp packet!! The wrinkles and lines across my forehead are now extensive and don’t disappear when my face is expressionless! I have a needle phobia so Botox just isn’t an option for me! Ive tried expensive brands (La Roche posay, Estau Lauder, Elemis) and cheaper (the ordinary, boots own, etc) with no real change. I’ve used retinol and mandelic acid, which helps with skin tone and glow, but no change to wrinkles!! I use spf everyday, but I think it might be too late as the damage is done! I’ve looked at LED masks but I don’t think it the science behind really stacks up for at home use. Is there anything I can try/use to make a difference, or am I destined to keep this crumpled face?? TIA.

5128gap · 12/11/2024 11:46

flowersintheatticus · 12/11/2024 09:06

The women I know who all think they look amazing with botox really don't. I don't mean that in a nasty way, but it's obvious that they have it. No one is looking at them and thinking they look really well/young/line free, everyone automatically thinks 'you've had botox'.

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Of course you mean that in a 'nasty way'! A woman has posted that she thinks her results are amazing, and you've jumped on her post to tell her that women who think they look amazing are wrong. And 'no one' thinks they look good. You have no idea what pp looks like, or what 'everyone' thinks, but you took the trouble to try to plant the idea in a woman's head that she doesn't look as good as she believes. Why would you do that?

Icantbelieveitsnotnutter · 12/11/2024 11:32

flowersintheatticus · 12/11/2024 09:06

The women I know who all think they look amazing with botox really don't. I don't mean that in a nasty way, but it's obvious that they have it. No one is looking at them and thinking they look really well/young/line free, everyone automatically thinks 'you've had botox'.

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I concur. It's so difficult not to notice it and I secretly always feel that people's faces look much worse with aesthetics and a bit sorry for them. Fillers more so, I guess. They just look so bloated. Each to their own I guess. If you're healthy with good genes and look after your skin you're fairly likely to age well.

KimberleyClark · 12/11/2024 09:46

Diet is important. Seeds are particularly good for skin and hair. Packed with anti oxidants, healthy unsaturated fats and vitamins.

Arraminta · 12/11/2024 09:42

Barney16 · 11/11/2024 23:31

Interestingly I go to a doctor too.

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I honestly wouldn't even consider going to someone who wasn't a doctor or a dentist.

Arraminta · 12/11/2024 09:40

Mrsredlipstick · 12/11/2024 06:07

@Arraminta i checked with my friend who is a :summer' light eyes, blonde hair. 434 madmoselle Chanel.
She wears a nude lip liner with it.

Personally I like Bobby Brown or Mac.

Thank you so much. I will check that out x

flowersintheatticus · 12/11/2024 09:06

jeaux90 · 11/11/2024 13:27

OP there is nothing you can eat or rub on your face that will eliminate lines.

Botox and fillers are the only way to do that (I have amazing results from it)

The women I know who all think they look amazing with botox really don't. I don't mean that in a nasty way, but it's obvious that they have it. No one is looking at them and thinking they look really well/young/line free, everyone automatically thinks 'you've had botox'.

Lentilweaver · 12/11/2024 08:59

I dont actually like the Jennifer Aniston supersmooth look so am happy as I am.

Delatron · 12/11/2024 08:58

Disturbia81 · 12/11/2024 08:52

I'm hoping facelifts get cheaper 😆

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Me too! I genuinely think either acceptance or a facelift is the answer. And the few celebrities that look good have just had a very good facelift.

The guy I’ve been looking at starts at £40k. Sob.

CoffeeCantata · 12/11/2024 08:54

Drink lots of water.
Don't smoke at all and don't drink much.
Eat a good diet.
Keep out of the sun.
Get lots of sleep.
Have good genes.

Disturbia81 · 12/11/2024 08:52

Delatron · 12/11/2024 08:33

I think the problem with Botox as you get older is that a smooth forehead plus slight sagging (that happens to us all) can look a bit incongruous. And it’s a tell tale sign of Botox no matter how good a doctor you go to. The top of the face doesn’t match the bottom.

You really have to be very cautious with Botox the older you get.

I wouldn’t worry about this at 40. I didn’t start until 43 and then had it sporadically (with very good doctors). But at 48 I’m trying other things - I may have a light dose next year but no more than once a year if that. And I don’t like it until about 2 months in!

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I'm hoping facelifts get cheaper 😆

Lentilweaver · 12/11/2024 08:36

buffyspikefaith · 11/11/2024 23:15

I've used tret for about 4 and a bit years now and really pleased with what it's done for my skin

That's a good result!

Delatron · 12/11/2024 08:33

I think the problem with Botox as you get older is that a smooth forehead plus slight sagging (that happens to us all) can look a bit incongruous. And it’s a tell tale sign of Botox no matter how good a doctor you go to. The top of the face doesn’t match the bottom.

You really have to be very cautious with Botox the older you get.

I wouldn’t worry about this at 40. I didn’t start until 43 and then had it sporadically (with very good doctors). But at 48 I’m trying other things - I may have a light dose next year but no more than once a year if that. And I don’t like it until about 2 months in!

Lentilweaver · 12/11/2024 08:19

@PiggyPigalle I have worked myself up to 0.025% but only twice or thrice a week.

Mrsredlipstick · 12/11/2024 06:07

@Arraminta i checked with my friend who is a :summer' light eyes, blonde hair. 434 madmoselle Chanel.
She wears a nude lip liner with it.

Personally I like Bobby Brown or Mac.

Barney16 · 11/11/2024 23:31

Arraminta · 11/11/2024 22:33

Exactly the same here and it's why I chose my practicioner because she didn't promise to make me look 10 years younger. Probably because she's a medical doctor and understands how human physiology and physiognomy actually works.

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Interestingly I go to a doctor too.

Beesandhoney123 · 11/11/2024 23:29

Secondclassstamps · 11/11/2024 15:22

I’m going to keep with what I’ve been doing for years. I remove my glasses before I look in the mirror. I’ve just turned 70 and I don’t see a single wrinkle in my face or neck. Occasionally when I’m outdoors I get a glimpse of some wrinkly old bat looking at me. They are usually the other side of a shop window and I just tell them to bugger off 😊

I do this, I smiled at an overweight scruffy woman whom looked familiar and it turned out to be me in a shop window mirror.

Fresh air, eat properly, exercise, regular skincare routine, sunscreen, lay off the booze and fags, bare minerals make up works for me now, learn how to put it on! Sleep.

Good haircut, cheerful smile, clothes colour that suits your skin tone. Shoulders back, look tidy.

PiggyPigalle · 11/11/2024 23:20

Crikeyalmighty · 11/11/2024 23:05

@PiggyPigalle I'm reticent as i have one eye that's already got a very slight droop - and had some nerve damage in my forehead - weirdly post covid- otherwise I would have been there!!

Speak to Arraminta above, she's being going to a Doctor for botox for years she says. He/she would advise. whether you'd be suitable.

My sun damage isn't suitable for botox as it's on my cheeks.

PickAChew · 11/11/2024 23:18

Any time now, your eyes will go to shit and the wrinkles will be a distant memory.

Doliveira · 11/11/2024 23:16

People do look smoother when they use Botox. Probably best just to destigmatise lack of smoothness given that Botox is very expensive and so many people just look their age, but botoxed. 😵‍💫

buffyspikefaith · 11/11/2024 23:15

I've used tret for about 4 and a bit years now and really pleased with what it's done for my skin

PiggyPigalle · 11/11/2024 23:08

Lentilweaver · 11/11/2024 15:13

I posted this on the S and B board so I might as well here. Hopefully wont out me. This is my nearly 53 year old forehead after 4 years of Tret. Don't think I need Botox. I do need to go to the hairdresser!

What % Tret do you use?

Crikeyalmighty · 11/11/2024 23:05

@PiggyPigalle I'm reticent as i have one eye that's already got a very slight droop - and had some nerve damage in my forehead - weirdly post covid- otherwise I would have been there!!

PiggyPigalle · 11/11/2024 23:02

Crikeyalmighty · 11/11/2024 20:40

I'm 62 and the only real lines I have and are deep and annoying are top of my nose and vertical ones between my eyes- any great solution for those that don't involve Botox??

Those are the perfect lines for Botox.

Tretinoin improves skin for not only softening lines, exfoliating old skin and revealing the new, it boosts collagen for springier skin. It's an insurance against the future too.
I wish I'd started years ago.
If you start, please take some before pictures and compare every six months.

Arraminta · 11/11/2024 22:33

Barney16 · 11/11/2024 21:10

Botox and fillers are the only things that work but you need to be very subtle and find a very good practitioner. I aim for "slightly less knackered" rather than youthful.

Exactly the same here and it's why I chose my practicioner because she didn't promise to make me look 10 years younger. Probably because she's a medical doctor and understands how human physiology and physiognomy actually works.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 11/11/2024 21:18

Stop frowning or raising your eye brows