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Am I old or has shite behaviour become normal behaviour?

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WishItWasDifferent25 · 10/11/2024 21:42

Ok. Fully prepared to be told I am unreasonable but I’m nearly choking from clutching my pearls here….

  1. on a plane last week. Child with iPad on full volume. No attempt to reduce volume and no headphones in sight. No one except me seemed to be bothered so I quietly seethed.

  2. in John Lewis today. Cafe. Quiet and calm except for parents entertaining toddler by playing baby shark over and over. I felt I had to leave. No one else seemed to even flinch.

  3. the gym yesterday. Watching greys anatomy with my headphones on. Still had subtitles because the noise from spin was a LOT. Guy gets on the one next to me and sticks a programme on full volume. I went for pointed look but not up for confrontation tbh. He moved around the gym with his super loud programme following him.

IS THIS NORMAL. Or am I turning into cranky old bint. Am only 46. Didn’t see it coming.

OP posts:
the80sweregreat · 11/11/2024 13:01

No respect from anyone.
Ds2 took the mega bus this weekend to visit friends and he said one person was on his phone for the whole 3.5 hour journey ! He said it was distracting and he wasn't whispering either and ds 2 had his head phones on.
I dread using public transport these days.

ginasevern · 11/11/2024 13:00

username7891 · 10/11/2024 22:07

When I was a teenager people had walkmen with loud irritating tinny music. Then the discman, then the iPod etc. The Walkman was around in the 80s.

Edited

The Walkman was a different matter. For a start, not every teenager owned one and you'd have to be pretty darn close to someone to hear it. Even if they did own one, they weren't wired into it all the fucking time. There were better things to do and the art of conversation, fun, laughter and drinking! still existed. People today have become "one" with their devices.

TiredCatLady · 11/11/2024 12:57

YANBU.

Baby Shark on repeat for an entire flight. Parents completely ignored the stewards and the child was sat between them. They got murderous stares when it came to disembarking.

Personally I despise people who talk through concerts, especially when they’ve pushed towards the front and then hold their phone up to video it whilst continuing to talk to their mate. Special place in hell for them.

pinkyredrose · 11/11/2024 12:43

Didimum · 11/11/2024 12:42

Indeed. And as I said above, I remember people having those crappy little mini speakers you can plug into a walkman or discman and playing them at the back of the bus.

Omg they were horrific!

ChevyCamaro · 11/11/2024 12:43

I’m actually not sure if some parents of small children realise that i pads etc have only existed in the public realm for about 15 years… what do they think people did in cafes/ public transport/ waiting rooms in 2006? We did actually manage without them pretty well in the whole.

Didimum · 11/11/2024 12:42

pinkyredrose · 11/11/2024 12:35

Well at least since mobile phones became the norm!

Indeed. And as I said above, I remember people having those crappy little mini speakers you can plug into a walkman or discman and playing them at the back of the bus.

pinkyredrose · 11/11/2024 12:35

Didimum · 10/11/2024 21:59

Teenagers have been doing this forever, to be fair.

Well at least since mobile phones became the norm!

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/11/2024 12:33

You are not wrong.

Baby shark ….. 😱

MumOfOneAllAlone · 11/11/2024 12:31

TitusMoan · 11/11/2024 12:13

The thing is… before iPads and tablets, people had other ways to deal with children becoming restless and making lots of noise. Don’t you know how to do that?

Well yes, but thankfully Steve jobs has made it so I can keep the noise levels low and my child still without having to physically hold on to my dd and anxiously shush her

ElaborateCushion · 11/11/2024 12:31

I was on the tube recently and someone was playing a TV show on his phone out loud. It was annoying but I had my own headphones with me so, not being one for confrontation, I just put them in and carried on reading my own book and listening to some music.

A young woman got on, must have been mid-20s, sat down next to this guy, looked at him and said "have you got any headphones?" he said yes, so she said "could you use them then please? that's really irritating"

At which point he shamefacedly mumbled an apology and put his headphones on!

Based on his appearance he was the last person I'd have spoke up to, but she totally disarmed him by being polite and blunt at the same time. You could tell he wasn't used to someone standing up to him!

YANBU OP - entitled behaviour is definitely becoming more common and people are being very defensive when challenged too.

Just this morning I've had an argument with a member of staff that is perpetually late. Of course, it's not his fault - he has to get public transport doesn't he?! We have a starting time of anywhere between 8.30 and 9.30, yet he strolls in at 9.40, then accuses us of picking on him when we pull him up on it!

You'd have some sympathy if the public transport was terrible, but these are the published train times he could use to get here between 9am and 9.30am: 0845, 0851, 0857, 0859, 0905, 0911, 0915.

Drives me insane!

Beargrins · 11/11/2024 12:22

YANBU. I rarely use public transport anymore due to noisy, sometimes intoxicated people and try to visit places I know tend to be a bit quieter and calmer. I've noticed when I visit family in other parts of Europe, people seem generally more considerate and respectful of others and the expectation is that you behave yourself and encourage your children to do the same.

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 11/11/2024 12:22

I have ADHD myself and don't think that's an excuse for people being thoughtless in public.

Alphaalga · 11/11/2024 12:15

Annabella92 · 11/11/2024 06:37

Well I suppose people haven't taken to breaking wind loudly in public yet... that's a positive I guess?

They have, that smell of rotten cabbage mightn't be coming from the one shouting at his phone.

TitusMoan · 11/11/2024 12:13

MumOfOneAllAlone · 11/11/2024 11:15

No, the volume is incredibly low

You'd only hear it if you were sat at her height, right next to her

Much better than a kid becoming restless and making lots of noise

The thing is… before iPads and tablets, people had other ways to deal with children becoming restless and making lots of noise. Don’t you know how to do that?

FlorbelaEspanca · 11/11/2024 12:07

ChevyCamaro · 11/11/2024 09:16

It’s because people are scared to say anything. And in public transport ( buses anyway) the drivers are told NOT to confront noisy/ disruptive passengers. Even ten years ago, if a load of teens were shouting/ making noise on the top deck the driver would stop the bus, stomp upstairs and tell them the bus is going nowhere until they pack in in, or they can get off.
Now the driver just ignores, and everyone else thinks well if you can’t beat them join them.
I still ask some people to turn it down. Generally teens snigger and whisper to each other, but they do comply. I refuse to be scared to say anything.

This reminds me of an experience I had in Germany once. I was on a tram in Dortmund. At a stop the warning tone sounded then the doors closed, but we didn't move off. The doors reopened. Then the tone sounded etc. but we still didn't move. This happened a couple of times more. Then the loudspeaker crackled on and broadcast an incomprehensible announcement. A pause. Finally the driver came out of his cab, walked down the car to a group of teenage boys and said: 'Bitte steigen aus! Bitte steigen aus!' They had been pressing the stop request button for fun, so he chucked them off.

shockeditellyou · 11/11/2024 12:07

Why the bloody hell are ward nurses and cabin crew not stamping this out?

Pusheen467 · 11/11/2024 11:53

fitzwilliamdarcy · 11/11/2024 11:51

YANBU, I have misophonia and I basically don't leave the house anymore unless I have to. Everything and everyone has just gotten SO LOUD and there's no consideration whatsoever for people whose disabilities require there to be quiet.

Everyone just says "oh tell them to stop and they will", but the only times I've actually dared to say anything, I've gotten a mouthful of abuse or the "aw they're only 4/6/8/12" response.

I really can't with it anymore. Even libraries are now overrun with kids behaving like it's a playground. Nowhere is just allowed to be quiet anymore.

I completely sympathise. I have misophonia too and I had to leave Aldi because some obnoxious cunt wouldn't stop whistling. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me. The last time I used a bus I had to blast white noise in my ears.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 11/11/2024 11:51

YANBU, I have misophonia and I basically don't leave the house anymore unless I have to. Everything and everyone has just gotten SO LOUD and there's no consideration whatsoever for people whose disabilities require there to be quiet.

Everyone just says "oh tell them to stop and they will", but the only times I've actually dared to say anything, I've gotten a mouthful of abuse or the "aw they're only 4/6/8/12" response.

I really can't with it anymore. Even libraries are now overrun with kids behaving like it's a playground. Nowhere is just allowed to be quiet anymore.

Pusheen467 · 11/11/2024 11:43

The blaring phones on public transport is sheer torture. I wish I had the balls to say something like some posters do. Also does anyone else think teenagers screeching has gotten worse since the lockdowns? I live next to a school and the teens make more noise then the little kids. They literally stand in the middle of the street and screech for no reason. I can't fucking stand it.

FlorbelaEspanca · 11/11/2024 11:42

grafittiartist · 11/11/2024 06:33

In the train last week, the guy across the aisle was watching clips on his phone with the volume on.
The guard walked past and asked him to put headphones on, which he did.
Sorted.
(I was too chicken to ask!)

Alas, guards rarely do this: mostly just walk straight past.

Yesiknowdear · 11/11/2024 11:38

DoraGray · 11/11/2024 11:29

As there is always an excuse for everything, naughty is a forbidden word, no-one is ever to blame, they might have some sort of disorder, bad behaviour is always just a snapshot- then what on earth did we think would happen-that people would just self regulate.

They haven't, they won't and this is what we have as a result. Get used to it because there is no putting this genie back in the bottle.

This makes me really sad, but I agree.

CleftChin · 11/11/2024 11:36

My friend lets her kid sit in costa with us playing games/videos without headphones. It drives me (and her other child) a bit mad, but apart from asking him to turn it down/supporting her other child when she asks there's not much I can do (at least it's no louder than the music they have on)

Mine immediately puts his on silent if he doesn't have headphones, as does her daughter - I don't get why she lets her son get away with it TBH.

NorthernSpirit · 11/11/2024 11:35

I’m just back from travelling in Japan. It was absolute bliss travelling around.

Everyone was so polite & respectful. Absolutely no one using mobile phones on speaker in public. No one listening to videos which might disturb someone else. People wearing back packs on their fronts on busy trains so not to bump into someone. Everyone so polite.

It was a pleasure travelling around not having to listen to other peoples ’noise’. The UK could learn a lot from this culture of being respectful to others. Sadly we seem to have lost it as peoples self entitlement seems to trump politeness.

I also took a National Express coach (for the 1st time in 20 years) recently and was dreading it due to the likely noise pollution. Before setting off the drive said “if anyone disturbs me listening to something on loud speaker or has a loud conversation that disturbs the other passengers, I’ll pull the bus over and off load you”. It was silent all the way. I wish more public workers had his balls 👏

whyismysoupcold · 11/11/2024 11:32

We left the cinema on Saturday afternoon because kids were running around, adults were having full blown conversations, and there being so much noise from the audience that we couldn't hear anything being said. I asked my 5 & 4 year olds if they wanted to leave and they said yes.

I could not believe how bad the behaviour was. How is this now the norm? Why has it gotten so bad?

FlorbelaEspanca · 11/11/2024 11:30

CatsLikeBoxes · 10/11/2024 22:15

People listening to music or watching videos on public transport with no headphones - whhhyyyy?

Recently seen an increase in kids riding scooters round shops, from H&M to supermarkets. Not even slowly right beside the adult, but freely as if in the park.

Just seems in a rise of people thinking it's fine to be utterly selfish.

Biscuit-taker for me: child being allowed to kick a football around in LEICESTER CATHEDRAL.