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O6bftdff · 10/11/2024 21:26

I’m watching Secrets of Playboy on Channel 4 and the abuse, emotional, physical and sexual, of women that took place over the decades linked to Hefner and Playboy is sickening.

I looked for Mumsnet threads on the documentary, but this came up from 2008 instead.

I’ve read it quite shocked. I know we’re post-Me Too now, but did it ever really look like a fun place to be? Was it not clear Hefner was always exploitative and a creep, albeit not to the hugely criminal extent it’s been revealed to be now.

Then again, I always thought it was clear Jimmy Savile was dangerous but I’ve seen dated threads about him where everyone is rushing to defend him.

On a positive note, I think there’d be a lot more criticism of the way these women were clearly being exploited if the documentary aired this year and now in the early 2000s.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/643859-to-be-watching-quot-girls-of-the-playboy-mansion-quot

to be watching "girls of the playboy mansion" and think....... | Mumsnet

.....that it looks like a really fun place to be

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/643859-to-be-watching-quot-girls-of-the-playboy-mansion-quot

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nomorehocuspocus · 10/11/2024 22:16

I vaguely remember watching some sort of documentary many years ago - possibly that one - and thinking it was pretty grim.

Decencydiedtoday · 10/11/2024 22:16

EatingAMandarin · 10/11/2024 22:06

You cant judge yesterdays behaviour by todays standards.

All this #metoo stuff would make people back then puke.

Utter nonsense.

If protecting women from rape and assault makes you puke there is something catastrophically wrong with you.
We knew this in the bloody 1970s thanks.😤

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EatingAMandarin · 10/11/2024 22:06

You cant judge yesterdays behaviour by todays standards.

All this #metoo stuff would make people back then puke.

In 2008? 😂

Ohforgodssake123 · 10/11/2024 22:11

EatingAMandarin · 10/11/2024 22:06

You cant judge yesterdays behaviour by todays standards.

All this #metoo stuff would make people back then puke.

Nah it was always fucking shady. I remember watching it (the girls of the playboy mansion when I was high school on the E Channel) and seeing his middle girl friend Bridget, who was utterly desperate to be in the magazine but was rejected A LOT, and wound him his girlfriend. At 15 I found that icky, especially as it was dangled as a carrot in front of them.

and then Holly (desperate for marriage and kids) and how her best friend was his 60 something year old secretary. It was giving Stockholm syndrome back then too

O6bftdff · 10/11/2024 22:09

EatingAMandarin · 10/11/2024 22:06

You cant judge yesterdays behaviour by todays standards.

All this #metoo stuff would make people back then puke.

Puke at finding out that powerful men have been systemically abusing women and girls for decades? I should hope it would.

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EatingAMandarin · 10/11/2024 22:06

You cant judge yesterdays behaviour by todays standards.

All this #metoo stuff would make people back then puke.

O6bftdff · 10/11/2024 22:03

BobbyBiscuits · 10/11/2024 21:42

How bizarre. It's clearly horrifically seedy. How could anyone say an 18 yo was living the dream having condom less sex with an octogenarian with an audience of twenty people? Forced to have surgery, not allowed friends or jobs and curfew of 6pm. 🤢🤢🤢

Not the worst part by far, but I can’t believe the part where a poster describes Pamela Anderson as ‘I can't remember the blondes name but she wrote a couple books (the Baywatch blonde that married Tommy Lee and was seeing Kid Rock) ah yes...Pamela Sue Anderson’.

Mumsnet really is a social history resource.

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BobbyBiscuits · 10/11/2024 21:42

How bizarre. It's clearly horrifically seedy. How could anyone say an 18 yo was living the dream having condom less sex with an octogenarian with an audience of twenty people? Forced to have surgery, not allowed friends or jobs and curfew of 6pm. 🤢🤢🤢

O6bftdff · 10/11/2024 21:38

‘You go through a lot of screening, there are contracts and no one is forced into doing anything they don't want to. The money is great and the parties (not all get invited to those parties either) have a lot of influential people on the guestlists.’

How was anyone ever this naive?

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MumOfOneAllAlone · 10/11/2024 21:32

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