To think this thread has aged hideously?

I didn't say it went unpunished - I said Andrew Sachs and his wife were considered the real victims, rather than their granddaughter.

I don't think transactional sex is ever going to go away. Clearly, there is also something in it for the women or else they wouldn't be there. I imagine there is also probably a lot of backstabbing and jostling for position.

During my office heyday, I worked with one woman who was in a relationship with the Department Head and used it to her full advantage and power over the rest of us, and then wasted no time in getting involved with his replacement when he left (she was rather attractive). People like that do exist.

I'll never understand why Trinny Woodall rushed into Nigella's shoes after she was choked by that repulsive Saatchi man... They are no longer together now but I bet he's not single...

While I do think MeToo has value, I do think we'll probably look back and see some of the assumptions as something naive and possibly faddish. Real life is far more nuanced and complicated.

Jonathan Ross was sacked from the BBC

Russell Brand has always been a cunt.

It didn't go unpunished. They thought it was acceptable. Nobody else did.

It reminds me of a thread I once saw in which a woman wanted to use an Indian surrogacy clinic, and dismissed questions about the surrogate mother's welfare with "The website says they have a gold star for ethics." People will use any excuse to avoid giving a shit about women's well-being.

People back then? People like me in their 30s with children and having experienced so much casual sexual abuse.
Grew up with tits everywhere from page 3 to buying peanuts in the pub. Tits on TV sitcoms via magazine or calendar. Watching Baywatch with your Stepdad.
Tits at work via calendars. Having to pack and post said calendars. Oh and then Loaded and Nuts.
Imagine growing up and that was supposed to be acceptable.

My daughter is 16 now and is horrified at the thought.

#Me too couldn't have happened soon enough.

You have a very strange opinion of women and girls back in those years.

2008 was the same year Sachsgate happened. Andrew Sachs and his wife were portrayed as the primary "victims" (not sure if that's the right word) of that event - the impact on Georgina Baillie was completely ignored by the media. Seriously - you have sex with a man, then he phones your grandfather live on the BBC to brag about it. The reaction from the media was essentially "Well, she's in a band called Satanic Sluts, she performs in skimpy clothes, what did she expect? She'll be doing well out of the publicity..."

I think most of the posters on that thread could see that the women were being exploited and that it was awful.

Oh come on, I'd have been appalled by this in the late 90s, let alone 2008! I was all about snagging anyone and everyone in my late teens, but even then, thanks to Eurotrash, we could see the seedy stuff and realise it was exploitative.

I can remember seeing “Bunny girls” on TV, late 60sI think maybe early 70s, I was at school. Can remember then thinking it was seedy, creepy, not glamorous at all. I can’t imagine how anyone would think it was fun.
It’s like Savile learnt his ways from Hefner 🤢

It's a great book!

I was obsessed with Playboy and the show when I was 14/15. I wanted to dye my hair blonde and get a boob job to be like them 🙈 Now I look back and think wtf.

I also think of the mid-late 2000s as only five minutes ago

But then sometimes when I’m scrolling TikTok bits of reality TV from that era (ten years younger, snog marry avoid, how clean is your house, talent shows and lots more) and I realise how different attitudes were a mere 15-20 years back.

In 2008 I was 23/24 I watched this show and read the book. I was appalled, but I was definitely in the minority then, however there are also still a lot of women on here who believe consent can be purchased and that sexual exploitation is empowering

Ah that was ScottishMummy she had a distinctly ‘unique’ turn of phrase! I think there was a fair mix of opinions on that thread - I think it represents the cut and thrust of MN of old when robust discussion took place and there wasn’t so much of ‘I think this thread should be moved to the Feminist bit of MN’ or reporting of posts. It was a trip down memory lane for me - whatever happened to KerryMum?

You should read Holly Madison's book Down The Rabbit Hole.

In 1980 I was working for the Sales Manager of a computer company ... he asked me to organise a dinner party at the Bunny Club for his sales team.

Hugh Hefner’s son Cooper very recently offered to purchase the Playboy company back from its current owners for $100million cash.
I can’t remember exactly what they said, but basically it was “we don’t think we’ll be going in that direction…” so f**k off was implied but unspoken.
Evidently, Cooper wanted to take the magazine back to its original form. I have absolutely no idea what form it’s in now. In fact, I wasn’t aware it was in any form at all.

2008 wasn’t yesterday it was an hour ago. Figuratively speaking.

eugh all the plastic tits and thongs, a sea of fake tan.sounds like hell

sounds like love island.

Boggling at the idea that 2008 seems like a different era. It's yesterday to me!

I agree with this. I find some of what I read that women think on here about porn, prostitution, surrogacy and other exploitation of women, astounding. That’s before subtler issues like beauty practices and the like. A lot of internalised misogyny at play still.

@ScottishMummy · 08/11/2008 21:01

i bet current burds loves when the ole gimmer brings home a new twinky.means he wont sniff around them for a while

eugh all the plastic tits and thongs, a sea of fake tan.sounds like hell

I think this poster summed it up nicely (hope you're still around)

This is kind of the real meaning for woke - recognising that things that were once considered ok really aren’t but we had been conditioned to accept them.

The just getting on with it bit was the problem.

Tbh the tone of that thread did not strike me as especially different from MN now 🤷🏻‍♀️