Page 9 | To dislike the increase in dogs in shops/cafes

amymel2016 · 2024-11-10T18:07:42+00:00

I’ve recently noticed a huge increase in non-service dogs in cafes and shops. I was in Joules earlier today and there were 3 in there, two of which were barking and growling at each other. I was in a cafe last week with 2 in there. Surely it can’t be fun for the dog having to sit under a cramped table? I’m very allergic to dogs and the smell absolutely sets me on edge. I don’t understand why they are allowed in? I’m not about to walk in with a cat or a rabbit so why dogs? It’s also the attitude of most (sweeping generalisation!) dog owners which annoys me, no, I don’t want to talk to your dog or about your dog. I don’t care if you say he’s friendly I don’t want it anywhere near me. Goes without saying that service dogs are bloody amazing and they should absolutely be welcome everywhere.

Mnetcurious · 11/11/2024 14:47

Pickandmixmood · 11/11/2024 14:43

Only when there are an equal number of places that don’t allow screaming, feral brats in them. In my experience, children are often more of a nuisance in shops and cafes than dogs. People with badly behaved dogs don’t tend to take them to these places

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You said “the more the better” so those with allergies to dogs should have to struggle to find a suitable coffee shop, in your opinion, just because some people let their toddlers run around screaming? The two are not related. Make it make sense.

Pickandmixmood · 11/11/2024 14:46

brbg2g · 11/11/2024 14:43

Years ago our family GP used to have his dog in his office all the time. He had it with him every day until he retired. It was a huge dog and his office was only small. I took my ds for 6 week check and had to ask him to let the dog out of the room because it just didn't sit well with me and I didn't know how the dog would be with a tiny newborn. Seems bonkers thinking about it now.

Bonkers that you were worried about a dog that would have been present for appointments with hundreds of other newborns, presumably without savaging many of them.

Pickandmixmood · 11/11/2024 14:43

Mnetcurious · 11/11/2024 14:38

So you don’t think there should be a more equal amount of dog-friendly and non dog-friendly spaces? To cater for those who want to avoid dogs due to allergies, phobias or just general
disliking?

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Only when there are an equal number of places that don’t allow screaming, feral brats in them. In my experience, children are often more of a nuisance in shops and cafes than dogs. People with badly behaved dogs don’t tend to take them to these places

brbg2g · 11/11/2024 14:43

Years ago our family GP used to have his dog in his office all the time. He had it with him every day until he retired. It was a huge dog and his office was only small. I took my ds for 6 week check and had to ask him to let the dog out of the room because it just didn't sit well with me and I didn't know how the dog would be with a tiny newborn. Seems bonkers thinking about it now.

Mnetcurious · 11/11/2024 14:38

Pickandmixmood · 11/11/2024 14:29

Excellent, the more the better 🐕

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So you don’t think there should be a more equal amount of dog-friendly and non dog-friendly spaces? To cater for those who want to avoid dogs due to allergies, phobias or just general
disliking?

Swivelhead · 11/11/2024 14:33

I just Googled and found out they allow well-behaved dogs in Foyles.

This thread has opened my eyes to lots of new possibilities beyond just the bakery and the pub.🐕

Pickandmixmood · 11/11/2024 14:29

Mnetcurious · 11/11/2024 14:25

Problem is that’s pretty much everywhere now.

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Excellent, the more the better 🐕

Mnetcurious · 11/11/2024 14:25

Tapthisscreen · 11/11/2024 13:12

It’s absolutely fine to take your dogs places they are allowed to go.

Problem is that’s pretty much everywhere now.

YouCantFightInHereThisIsTheWarRoom · 11/11/2024 14:17

KookyOliveLemur · 11/11/2024 10:17

I don’t like the sound of babies crying, the smell of their milky puke, their trip hazard buggy’s or the incessant need for mothers to dominate conversations about their little darlings. Don’t get me started on dirty cafe tables covered in half eaten food and snotty tissues. Dogs are just important to some people as kids are to others.

Yet here you are on MUMSnet. Go set up a forum called DOGSnut and froth away to your heart's content.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 11/11/2024 13:57

PyreneanAubrie · 11/11/2024 13:31

Given that you are such a highly educated person, I would have expected that you would be fully aware of the fact that migraine can be triggered by artificial fragrances. Clearly this must be a fact that has somehow escaped you 😏.

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Eh?
Just stop now, you're embarrassing yourself.
Of course I'm aware that different chemicals can do a whole host of differebt things, my point was that referring to 'chemicals' as bad or thinking 'natural' is always better than 'synthetic' is essentially meaningless.

PontiacFirebird · 11/11/2024 13:56

In somewhere like the Lakes / Yorkshire Dales etc it's obvious there need to be sections where dogs can be taken in, as otherwise businesses would lose half of their customers
Well, I grew up in the Yorkshire dales and I don’t remember cafes or shops ever letting dogs in (aside from assistance dogs)
Old man pubs only ( no food) It was considered very unhygienic to have dogs in a place that sells food especially. You left your dog at home, or outside.
The point a pp made about the effect on assistance dogs is a very good one too. It’s very distracting to a dog trying to work, having other dogs around everywhere.

GiantHornets · 11/11/2024 13:38

Tapthisscreen · 11/11/2024 12:23

That’s fine, I hope your brats enjoy the lights.

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thanks, but I don’t have any brats

PyreneanAubrie · 11/11/2024 13:31

DieStrassensindimmernass · 11/11/2024 11:43

Everything is comprised of chemicals though, how on earth do you cope?
We breathe chemicals, we eat chemicals, we are chemicals.

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Given that you are such a highly educated person, I would have expected that you would be fully aware of the fact that migraine can be triggered by artificial fragrances. Clearly this must be a fact that has somehow escaped you 😏.

TofuTart · 11/11/2024 13:17

YANBU.
Even worse at places that make "puppacinos" or sell pawsecco.
Fucking ridiculous lol

Tapthisscreen · 11/11/2024 13:12

It’s absolutely fine to take your dogs places they are allowed to go.

AngeloMysterioso · 11/11/2024 13:00

Tapthisscreen · 11/11/2024 10:28

You’re asking people with dogs to consider your feelings and avoid doing something they’re quite within their rights to do then insulting them. Do you not see why people aren’t that willing to change their plans for you?

Having your dog with you everywhere at all times is only a right if your dog is a medical service dog. Otherwise no, it isn’t a right, it’s just something you want to do.

boysinbars · 11/11/2024 12:26

A lady had a massive Bernese mountain dog in our pharmacy the other day! It was well behaved but it did feel a bit odd seeing it there panting away next to the vaccination waiting area!

Tapthisscreen · 11/11/2024 12:23

GiantHornets · 11/11/2024 10:38

Same logic applies to dog owners and fireworks - they are asking everyone to avoid doing something that they are quite within their rights to do ie enjoy celebrating divali or bonfire night with legal fireworks.
Dog owners cannot have everything arranged to suit their mutts

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That’s fine, I hope your brats enjoy the lights.

Verv · 11/11/2024 12:00

My only hope is that should any of these cafes collapse, nobody sends in dogs to search the rubble. Imagine the uproar.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 11/11/2024 11:53

KimberleyClark · 11/11/2024 11:46

There’s a difference between the naturally occurring g chemicals we are made of and synthetic chemical compounds, which is what most artificial fragrances are made of.

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Naturally occuring is definitely not always better than synthetic though.
Tell me more about chemicals which I didn't learn in my Uni lectures, I'm intrigued. 🫣

KimberleyClark · 11/11/2024 11:46

DieStrassensindimmernass · 11/11/2024 11:43

Everything is comprised of chemicals though, how on earth do you cope?
We breathe chemicals, we eat chemicals, we are chemicals.

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There’s a difference between the naturally occurring g chemicals we are made of and synthetic chemical compounds, which is what most artificial fragrances are made of.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 11/11/2024 11:43

GiantHornets · 11/11/2024 10:41

BTW, when I google “dog free cafe” with my town’s name, I only get a list of dog friendly places or ideas for great doggie days out

Me too.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 11/11/2024 11:43

PyreneanAubrie · 11/11/2024 08:36

See it's all relative. I couldn't be in the same room as you for more than 5 minutes without getting migraine from your scented products that are laden with chemicals.

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Everything is comprised of chemicals though, how on earth do you cope?
We breathe chemicals, we eat chemicals, we are chemicals.

NPET · 11/11/2024 11:39

Pusheen467 · 10/11/2024 23:35

Are you saying yuck because you disliked my sarcasm, at the people who use those terms or because you thought j was being serious?

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Sort of all 3!
I wasn't sure whether you were being sarcastic or serious, but just in case you WERE being serious I felt I had to make a comment!
But yuck definitely refers to phrases like "dog moms" as they would say in America ☹️

PyreneanAubrie · 11/11/2024 11:37

bloodredfeaturewall · 11/11/2024 10:29

dogs will not pay your pension or care for you when you need it

So your sole reason for people having kids is so they can look after you when you're old? Nice.