To dislike the increase in dogs in shops/cafes

I was a scared little person. I looked at ceilings when I went into rooms. You have no idea what a phobia entails, clearly

Service dog users tend to be more considerate as they actually have a need for their dog to be there.

The ones that don't, who expect society to change for them whilst disregarding those with allergies and fears, will naturally not be as considerate as they seem quite gleeful to tell us.

What awful language. Having a phobia doesn't make someone a 'scared little person'. 🤢

I have two dogs I don’t take mine to shops because I don’t believe they have any desire to go. I rarely take them to cafes/pubs for the same reason.
There seems to be a general consensus now a days that it’s highly undesirable boarding on cruelty to leave your dog alone. Inn nearly 60 and have been around dogs all my life when I was a kid dogs were left and no one seemed to think it was an issue and no one’s dogs suffered from seperation anxiety or any of the other neuroses that dogs seems to seem to suffer from now. It would have been considered highly unhygienic to take dogs into to shops or cafes/pubs. Finally the hideous term fur babies didn’t exist dogs were dogs they were treated like dogs not equal to everyone else in the family and therefore behaved like dogs.

Just to add (and apols for typos on previous post I was rushing)
ironically we also have hundreds of acres and of green fields, pastures and riverside/woodland walks all around the town
we often walk at various days/times and there’s barely anyone walking their dogs in these places!
the dogs clearly much prefer small cafes, interior and clothes shopping and looking for makeup than running free like you would think dogs would enjoy 😉

Not sure I understand what you think you're saying here.

“It wasn't a problem a few years ago, so why has it become a problem now?”

Societal changes, Covid pet buying, expectations on dog owners.

When I was a child, the majority of women didn’t work, or worked shorter hours. Now many family dogs are alone all day through the week. People don’t want to leave them alone on evenings and weekends as well.

Lots of people bought pets during lockdown. Some of those pets are not used to being left alone and don’t cope well when they are.

It’s considered unacceptable now for dogs to be left alone for long periods. People report dog owners for doing that and also for leaving dogs in cars, even when it’s safe to do so.

And I guess it’s simply being normalised by people who like it or (like me) find it convenient and that’s another thing that’s changed. Most places used to refuse dogs entry. Now they don’t. It’s the owner’s choice who they want to welcome and some like dogs. Simple as that.

Of course, if you prefer to live your life in fear. <shrug>

I have a picture of me holding a tarantula on my wall. Even the word tarantula used to give me the heebies jeebies. Now I can garden, go up in the loft, clear cobwebs myself without having to pay someone, stand beside massive Halloween spider decs without feeling sick...

I'd hate to be that scared little person again

That is because they actually need their dog.

Coconut and dog. 😆

Why should everyone have to ask. Go in shop, budge past queue, interrupt staff making coffee just to ask a question when shops, cafes, restaurants etc could simply put a sign up saying dogs welcome or guide dogs only.

Remember people with dogs would have to go through all that palaver with the dog in tow to ask the question too,

A sign outside is much better and more user friendly.

In some areas lots of places do allow dogs inside though.
Only service dogs need to be indoors, and in my experience service dog users are also some of the most considerate pet owners.

I haven't decided yet so all place names welcome. I shall follow the dog free cafes and b and b's!

Naive hopeful optimism, I suppose.

My dog had a bath today and now smells of coconut. Will be taking him to a pub in a little bit cos he likes a beer at the weekend.

Are we missing something here? 😆

This is a really original subject for a Mumsnet thread; one so rarely considered.

Agreed. MIL sometimes wants to bring her dogs to the cafe for lunch and they're so annoying and yappy and she spends most time seeing to them and trying to get them to quiet down. It irritates me , but I'm not a dog lover !🤣

@PotholesAnonymous

Place names would help. I'm not exaggerating when I say it is a very big place and I don't want to suggest places that will be miles out of your way.

Most places don't allow dogs inside.

So not sure what some posters are getting their tits in a tangle about

But, if what you say is true and there are dogs in every place you go, why do you keep assuming otherwise?

Shouldn't that be the expectation though?

I think it's fair to assume still that most places wouldn't.

This might be a bit out there but saying “Hello, do you allow dogs in here?” before ordering might work?

Hey 👍 I agree with you on this thread…..😁