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To dislike the increase in dogs in shops/cafes

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amymel2016 · 10/11/2024 18:07

I’ve recently noticed a huge increase in non-service dogs in cafes and shops. I was in Joules earlier today and there were 3 in there, two of which were barking and growling at each other. I was in a cafe last week with 2 in there. Surely it can’t be fun for the dog having to sit under a cramped table?

I’m very allergic to dogs and the smell absolutely sets me on edge. I don’t understand why they are allowed in? I’m not about to walk in with a cat or a rabbit so why dogs? It’s also the attitude of most (sweeping generalisation!) dog owners which annoys me, no, I don’t want to talk to your dog or about your dog. I don’t care if you say he’s friendly I don’t want it anywhere near me.

Goes without saying that service dogs are bloody amazing and they should absolutely be welcome everywhere.

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AmberAlert86 · 10/11/2024 21:20

Differentstarts · 10/11/2024 18:38

Yanbu I don't want dogs jumping up me and slobbering everywhere. No I don't think your dog is cute and I don't want to fuss over it. Taking a dog out into shops and cafes is 100% for the owners benefit and not for the dog. Dogs want to play, and run in open fields and beaches not dragged around crowded shops or squahed under tables at cafes.

Couldn't agree more! Also some odd dog owners get offended if my kids are scared of their either over excited or aggressive dog.
Number of times we ckme face to face with irresponsible owners who bring their badly behaved dogs to cafes and expect everyone else to go out their way to accommodate them.

Ilikemymenlikeilikemycoffee · 10/11/2024 21:20

amymel2016 · 10/11/2024 19:02

Sorry but all dogs smell, all dog owners houses smell, all holiday cottages that allow dogs smell

Get off your high horse! Your tone and attitude makes me think I don’t care about your allergy you sound like an arse!

VivianLea · 10/11/2024 21:18

Livelovebehappy · 10/11/2024 21:13

I think your dislike of dogs is the least of your issues. You definitely have anger issues though. Yoga and gentle meditation could be helpful for you…..

My dislike of dogs isn't an issue at all!! This is precisely my point. Why can't dog people understand that other people don't like dogs, and that's ok? Other people not liking dogs is not a problem!

I don't think that I have anger issues, and I'm surprised to receive a confident diagnosis (with prescribed remedies, to boot) on the basis of a single forum post.

K0OLA1D · 10/11/2024 21:16

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:12

Thats a shame - I'#m probably off target completely, but is he a border collie by any chance?

My grandparents had a BC at their farm growing up and she was very agile and loved fly ball.

Yeah he's a border collie. He's been my best friend in dog form his entire life. He was a sickly pup and grew up to be a star. He doesn't come shopping with us. Apart from the one hippy shop in town where the owner insists on him going in for a fuss (my dp was stood outside with him)

He does come to pubs and the odd cafe. Moreso cafes when we're on holiday. But he does genuinely stay out of the way unless someone invites him out. And even then he has to look at us for our nod of approval.

MumOfOneAllAlone · 10/11/2024 21:15

Some of these dog owners are ruining joy for the rest of us

Always moaning about fireworks and insisting they come everywhere with them

I even like dogs but it's enough! 😄 x

Livelovebehappy · 10/11/2024 21:13

VivianLea · 10/11/2024 20:50

I really dislike dogs. My favourite cafe has a regular who always comes in, always sits right next to me and lets his dog go under my table. I studiously ignore it and eventually he half heatedly pulls it back, but jesus fucking Christ. Get your beast away from me!!

There's another awful lady who keeps insisting that my 4 year old DC, who is afraid of dogs, should pet her dog. Fuck off, he doesn't want to! She thinks it's some sort of moral failing that I've allowed him to grow up afraid of dogs, and sees it as her job to rehabilitate him. In reality he loves animals, he's just afraid of dogs because since could walk the fucking things have been jumping up at him in parks.

I think your dislike of dogs is the least of your issues. You definitely have anger issues though. Yoga and gentle meditation could be helpful for you…..

K0OLA1D · 10/11/2024 21:13

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:11

Just a normal consequence of being in society then.

However I don't think the public at large needs to put up with non assistance dogs being in spaces there are specifically food and drink related.

Just because its a recent change doesn't mean we need to accept it.

What if another group of people decided that parrots were all the rage?

Should we start a menagerie at the pub? Why only dogs? Why not cats, guinea pigs, foxes, snakes etc?

There are 2 resident cats at a pub we go to when away. Free roaming ones. As long as your dog gets on with cats they're allowed too

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:12

K0OLA1D · 10/11/2024 21:09

He would have been. But he had a dodgy back paw with only 2 pads formed on it. It never hindered him but they couldn't use him on the farm. He did love fly ball and agility in his youth though

Thats a shame - I'#m probably off target completely, but is he a border collie by any chance?

My grandparents had a BC at their farm growing up and she was very agile and loved fly ball.

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:11

PriOn1 · 10/11/2024 21:09

Nobody mentioned deodorant. I said perfume and aftershave. Even deodorant can be perfume free.

There is literally no reason for anyone to wear perfume or aftershave, other than that they like it.

People do things they like doing which are not banned. It’s simply normal behaviour.

Just a normal consequence of being in society then.

However I don't think the public at large needs to put up with non assistance dogs being in spaces there are specifically food and drink related.

Just because its a recent change doesn't mean we need to accept it.

What if another group of people decided that parrots were all the rage?

Should we start a menagerie at the pub? Why only dogs? Why not cats, guinea pigs, foxes, snakes etc?

PriOn1 · 10/11/2024 21:10

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:07

But is he a working dog? I have a healthy respect for those - but still shouldn't be in public indoor spaces unless serving a need.

So tell the restaurant and shop owners.

If it’s allowed, people will do it.

Maverickess · 10/11/2024 21:10

ILikeItWhatIsIt · 10/11/2024 18:35

I think it's because so many people have dogs now that businesses feel they have to pander to them.

Personally I would avoid somewhere dog friendly. That's ever since I was in a dog friendly pub & I watched a staff member petting a dog then a few minutes later walk out with plates of food. No thanks.

Was it an open kitchen type of place?

VivianLea · 10/11/2024 21:09

Swivelhead · 10/11/2024 21:06

And you don't think your kid has picked up even the tiniest hint from you.

But so what? Even if that were the case, why is it this random woman's job to try and get my kid to like dogs? We see her in the park and she comes over and is weirdly insistent. It's like she's offended that people exist in the world who don't like dogs.

I never used to hate dogs before they started being everywhere and jumping up at my tiny children.

K0OLA1D · 10/11/2024 21:09

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:07

But is he a working dog? I have a healthy respect for those - but still shouldn't be in public indoor spaces unless serving a need.

He would have been. But he had a dodgy back paw with only 2 pads formed on it. It never hindered him but they couldn't use him on the farm. He did love fly ball and agility in his youth though

PriOn1 · 10/11/2024 21:09

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:04

Deodorant = addressing a hygiene issue.

Quite a bit more necessary than a mangy mutt.

Nobody mentioned deodorant. I said perfume and aftershave. Even deodorant can be perfume free.

There is literally no reason for anyone to wear perfume or aftershave, other than that they like it.

People do things they like doing which are not banned. It’s simply normal behaviour.

2010Aussie · 10/11/2024 21:07

amymel2016 · 10/11/2024 18:07

I’ve recently noticed a huge increase in non-service dogs in cafes and shops. I was in Joules earlier today and there were 3 in there, two of which were barking and growling at each other. I was in a cafe last week with 2 in there. Surely it can’t be fun for the dog having to sit under a cramped table?

I’m very allergic to dogs and the smell absolutely sets me on edge. I don’t understand why they are allowed in? I’m not about to walk in with a cat or a rabbit so why dogs? It’s also the attitude of most (sweeping generalisation!) dog owners which annoys me, no, I don’t want to talk to your dog or about your dog. I don’t care if you say he’s friendly I don’t want it anywhere near me.

Goes without saying that service dogs are bloody amazing and they should absolutely be welcome everywhere.

Garden centres seem to accept dogs even if they sell food. One near me has a large section selling cakes/biscuits/general groceries and this week there were three dogs all sniffing round the food items. Dogs are also welcome in the cafe.

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:07

K0OLA1D · 10/11/2024 21:05

My dog is neither a mutt, nor does he have mange.

He was from working stock I'll have you know.

But is he a working dog? I have a healthy respect for those - but still shouldn't be in public indoor spaces unless serving a need.

Swivelhead · 10/11/2024 21:06

VivianLea · 10/11/2024 20:50

I really dislike dogs. My favourite cafe has a regular who always comes in, always sits right next to me and lets his dog go under my table. I studiously ignore it and eventually he half heatedly pulls it back, but jesus fucking Christ. Get your beast away from me!!

There's another awful lady who keeps insisting that my 4 year old DC, who is afraid of dogs, should pet her dog. Fuck off, he doesn't want to! She thinks it's some sort of moral failing that I've allowed him to grow up afraid of dogs, and sees it as her job to rehabilitate him. In reality he loves animals, he's just afraid of dogs because since could walk the fucking things have been jumping up at him in parks.

And you don't think your kid has picked up even the tiniest hint from you.

Blinky21 · 10/11/2024 21:05

I love dogs but dog friendly hotels are a turn off. I was at a hotel in Manchester recently and there were dogs everywhere. Including a guy who seemed to like sitting in the lobby area directly outside my room while his dog growled and barked at everyone who passed for hours. I get why hotels in the countryside might allow them but not in the middle of a city

K0OLA1D · 10/11/2024 21:05

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:04

Deodorant = addressing a hygiene issue.

Quite a bit more necessary than a mangy mutt.

My dog is neither a mutt, nor does he have mange.

He was from working stock I'll have you know.

PriOn1 · 10/11/2024 21:05

PyreneanAubrie · 10/11/2024 20:46

That's why they roll in stuff. Don't bath em in scent, they wont roll in shit 😆

Sadly not true. My dog never gets bathed, except when he rolls in something so revolting it has to be washed off. He still loves rolling in stinky things. Fox shit is his favourite, but rotten fish entrails come a close second.

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:04

PriOn1 · 10/11/2024 20:55

Society has changed and some of us are happy about it. If the cafe or pub owner is happy for dogs to be there, then I’m going to take advantage of that. If you have a problem, then make it clear to the owner that you’d appreciate a dog free area and take it from there.

Do you think wearing perfume or aftershave should be banned from all public places because some people are allergic? There are places where doing so is banned and I think people should adhere to whatever rules are in place, but I’m not going to police my own perfectly normal, socially acceptable behaviour because some people don’t like it or it might be negatively affected. That’s not a lack of consideration, it’s just normal behaviour. Fortunately there are still plenty of places where there are no dogs.

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Deodorant = addressing a hygiene issue.

Quite a bit more necessary than a mangy mutt.

alwaysagoodyear · 10/11/2024 21:04

Fleurdalys · 10/11/2024 20:49

Dramatic much?

It’s not dramatic to want to breathe or see 🙄

vodkaredbullgirl · 10/11/2024 21:04

Not this again 😂. Couldn't think of anything worse than taking my dogs to shops, bars, restaurant or cafes.

Don't mind other dogs as long as they are well behaved.

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:04

Fleurdalys · 10/11/2024 20:49

Dramatic much?

......allergies didn't jump out at you there?

alwaysagoodyear · 10/11/2024 21:02

To the pp who mentioned having a dog phobia 🤣
Those that are allergic to dogs don’t generally have a phobia of the dogs
For me it’s a phobia of needing to spend time in the nearest hospital then at home dealing with the allergic reaction fallout (usually takes me personally around 1-2 weeks)
Not been able to breathe, fully open your eyes or drive to work for a week because a crap owner thinks it’s really ’cute’ to let their dog off lead or extend the lead enough for it to jump up at you and lick you is not cute whatsoever
its just about consideration for others tbh
I wouldn’t let my children jump all over strangers and pee on the floor in a cafe so why do owners think it’s ok for dogs

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