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To dislike the increase in dogs in shops/cafes

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amymel2016 · 10/11/2024 18:07

I’ve recently noticed a huge increase in non-service dogs in cafes and shops. I was in Joules earlier today and there were 3 in there, two of which were barking and growling at each other. I was in a cafe last week with 2 in there. Surely it can’t be fun for the dog having to sit under a cramped table?

I’m very allergic to dogs and the smell absolutely sets me on edge. I don’t understand why they are allowed in? I’m not about to walk in with a cat or a rabbit so why dogs? It’s also the attitude of most (sweeping generalisation!) dog owners which annoys me, no, I don’t want to talk to your dog or about your dog. I don’t care if you say he’s friendly I don’t want it anywhere near me.

Goes without saying that service dogs are bloody amazing and they should absolutely be welcome everywhere.

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PixieMcGraw · 10/11/2024 22:11

PyreneanAubrie · 10/11/2024 21:50

Are you saying this to me or just in general? Dunno... We used to bath ours in Lavender shampoo 😁

Great idea! My dog sleeps on my bed 😮I imagine that has aromatherapy properties for a lovely night of sleep!

Mandoidi · 10/11/2024 22:02

I saw a dog in a trolley in TK Maxx today.
🙄

My 3 year old son doesn't like dogs and I can pinpoint exactly what caused this.

We were leaving a pub one Saturday afternoon after having lunch. As we walked to the door we walked past a table of two adults and a dog on the floor. I guided my son past the dog, ensuring he knew it was there and didn't accidentally kick it as it was underfoot and pre-schoolers don't really look where they are going.

My son went past the dog and then walked ahead of me towards the door. A second dog then jumped up from the other side of the table and stood right in his face. The dog was taller than my son. I can honestly see why it was terrifying. The owners had it on a lead, but it had enough slack that the dog could get up and approach my son.

Obviously the dog owner said the inevitable 'he won't hurt you' tinklebollocks. As I left with my clearly terrified son I said 'OK, but it really scared him' and gave her a serious look. I think dog owners expect a 'ha ha/smile/silly me OF COURSE THE DOG IS RIGHT IN ALL SITUATIONS/smile/nod reaction but I was so pissed off on behalf of my son that I wanted the owners to bloody know it.

And now here we are, about 5 months later and my son will tell me 'I'm scared of the dogs' when we are on a walk and he's 50 meters away from going past two little poodley whatsits.

amymel2016 · 10/11/2024 21:51

Ilikemymenlikeilikemycoffee · 10/11/2024 21:20

Get off your high horse! Your tone and attitude makes me think I don’t care about your allergy you sound like an arse!

Well that’s told me! Consider me dismounted from my high horse and on the way to the nearest dog shelter.

p.s. bet your house smells of dog

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PyreneanAubrie · 10/11/2024 21:50

PixieMcGraw · 10/11/2024 20:54

Yeah but then he'll have to go back in the bath so I win!
It's the mildest shampoo I can find because he is such a sensitive soul.
The human and dog relationship has been in place for 30,000 years + so I am always bemused by the attitude on here. Sure if you don't like them that's ok too and generally you can avoid them. Just check out whether a cafe or pub is dog friendly and avoid it.

Are you saying this to me or just in general? Dunno... We used to bath ours in Lavender shampoo 😁

DieStrassensindimmernass · 10/11/2024 21:49

Ilikemymenlikeilikemycoffee · 10/11/2024 21:20

Get off your high horse! Your tone and attitude makes me think I don’t care about your allergy you sound like an arse!

Stating facts that you don't happen to like doesn't make someone 'an arse'.

SwordToFlamethrower · 10/11/2024 21:48

I hate it. Disgusting and unhygienic

MrsHemswoth · 10/11/2024 21:45

I agree! I love dogs but I really don't want so many in the cafes I go to, it's become really trendy in My area too!

A good friend of mine has a child with anaphylaxis to dog fur, which is a problem. Some of the dogs are enormous too! It's gone a bit too far I'm afraid!

Cosyblankets · 10/11/2024 21:44

We just went away for the weekend. Took the dog in a pub for lunch. He sat next to us. Didn't make any noise. I always prefer to sit a bit out of the way but at least 4 different people came over to fuss him. He was happy to oblige.

wastingtimeonhere · 10/11/2024 21:43

The problem with 'assistance' dogs as an exemption is that there is no legal verification for them, growing up the only assistance dogs were for the blind. Distinguishable and extremely well trained.
Now, there are dogs for multiple purposes, properly trained, they are great. This adds to numbers allowed. We then come to 'emotional support dogs' who need no training. Anyone can buy 'assistance/ emotional support' dogs jackets on Ebay/Amazon. Many places won't turn away people as they then scream discrimination. Easier to be open to all than have some leave reviews that they were discriminated against.

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:43

tillytoodles1 · 10/11/2024 21:41

Do you think they care about allergies or people who don't want dogs near them for whatever reason? They're a business, out to make money and that's it.

They might not care but as far as allergies are concerned, one would presume the law might make them think otherwise.

Mosalahiwoukd · 10/11/2024 21:42

Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 10/11/2024 21:38

Ideally I’d have places where no kids or pets were allowed. Just adults having quiet conversations over a nice coffee.

Children and pets should be banned from public spaces between the hours of 10-4 on a Saturday and Sunday. Let us enjoy our lattes in peace

Between 9am and 11pm would suit me better. No pets no children. No gatherings of more than 3 pensioners at a time. In any cafe,
coffee shop, or pub.

I’d also ban all posts on locally SM grps about ‘missing’ cats. Jeff, that cat will either be back by morning or has fucked off to another family, that’s what they do.

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:42

Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 10/11/2024 21:38

Ideally I’d have places where no kids or pets were allowed. Just adults having quiet conversations over a nice coffee.

Children and pets should be banned from public spaces between the hours of 10-4 on a Saturday and Sunday. Let us enjoy our lattes in peace

That would also be banning, in the main, women of child bearing or child rearing age.

Never going to happen.

tillytoodles1 · 10/11/2024 21:41

StandingSideBySide · 10/11/2024 20:35

Its great they are making money
Just Hope there are good places nearby for those who have allergies, phobias etc and can’t be near dogs.
Those people are losing out whilst others find it nice they can take their dogs everywhere.

Do you think they care about allergies or people who don't want dogs near them for whatever reason? They're a business, out to make money and that's it.

Mosalahiwoukd · 10/11/2024 21:39

YABU for starting yet another bloody post about dogs!
It needs it own AIBU section. FFS.

Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 10/11/2024 21:38

Ideally I’d have places where no kids or pets were allowed. Just adults having quiet conversations over a nice coffee.

Children and pets should be banned from public spaces between the hours of 10-4 on a Saturday and Sunday. Let us enjoy our lattes in peace

oustedbymymate · 10/11/2024 21:37

I agree and also shops. Like clothes shops. I don't want my new clothes covered in dog hairs.

Jaehee · 10/11/2024 21:36

Theeyeballsinthesky · 10/11/2024 21:35

All this “there are plenty of places that don’t allow dogs”

my village has 2 pubs & 2 cafes - all of them Allow dogs so no actually there are not plenty of places

AndI live in a city! It's mad.

2010Aussie · 10/11/2024 21:36

IKEAJesus · 10/11/2024 20:36

The thing I most hate is when owners completely ignore the rules around taking their dogs to places - e,g. if cafes have a “paws on the floor” policy, but the owners allow them on the chairs and tables. Or they take dogs into a signposted dog free area,

For some reason the staff never challenge it, either.

I wouldn’t care about dogs in cafes etc if they were all well-behaved, but an increasing number are not.

And it’s not easy to find dog-free places around here. I have found a couple of restaurants but no coffee shops anywhere in the town centre.

What business don't seem to realise is that they are responsible for the health and safety of everyone on the premises. If they have written rules which stipulate 'No Dogs' or 'Paws on the Floor' and they fail to enforce those rules, the business is liable if a dog causes an accident or injury to another customer.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 10/11/2024 21:35

All this “there are plenty of places that don’t allow dogs”

my village has 2 pubs & 2 cafes - all of them Allow dogs so no actually there are not plenty of places

Jaehee · 10/11/2024 21:34

If you don't want to be around dogs then there are plenty of places which don't allow them so really there isn't an issue.

All the cafes where I live advertise themselves as Dog Friendly. I've tried to find ones that aren't because I'm allergic, but they don't seem to exist.

CornflakeGirl18 · 10/11/2024 21:31

I saw dogs in Selfridges and TK Maxx yesterday, so consequently learned they are both dog friendly shops. I just feel sorry for a dog being carried around the ridiculously busy aisles of TK Maxx, surely it can't be a pleasant experience for them?

CriticalOverthinking · 10/11/2024 21:27

I like there are places I can take my puppy. It's great for her to learn how to be around people and be calm and to join in on trips out. She's being trained early on, sits and waits for permission to approach anyone and eyes on me. It's almost always shit owners, not dogs, that cause problems.

Why stop at dogs? bring your cats, parrots and lizards too! I'm terrified of snakes but have the sense to just keep my distance (not sure why you dog haters can't just do that).

And today my puppy definitely didn't stink, fresh out of the bath with baby powder shampoo.

Mumofyellows · 10/11/2024 21:27

Here we go, another thread on this.
I love to be able to to take my lovely dogs to places with me, most often we are in the woods, in the farm, on the beach etc but now and then I might want to pop for lunch or have a coffee with my dogs in tow and if I do then I will chose and I visit friendly venue.
If you don't want to be around dogs then there are plenty of places which don't allow them so really there isn't an issue.
I take them very occasionally into a shop if it allows dogs and I need something.

Livelovebehappy · 10/11/2024 21:25

SpudleyLass · 10/11/2024 21:11

Just a normal consequence of being in society then.

However I don't think the public at large needs to put up with non assistance dogs being in spaces there are specifically food and drink related.

Just because its a recent change doesn't mean we need to accept it.

What if another group of people decided that parrots were all the rage?

Should we start a menagerie at the pub? Why only dogs? Why not cats, guinea pigs, foxes, snakes etc?

It is a sign of the times, but businesses clearly see it as a business opportunity that benefits them. They wouldn’t do it otherwise. They’re not going to allow dogs in just to keep customers happy - they do it because it brings in money. It’s as simple as that really. Someone who might take their dog on a regular daily walk past their cafe is going to prove to be a regular customer. More than someone who might pass by on a weekly or monthly shopping trip. I recall when I was young - children were not allowed in pubs/bars at all. This changed because their customers were becoming more family orientated, and children were then allowed in. I recall loads of resistance to this at the time by some, but now, years later, it’s just the norm. And I’m sure 20 years from now, it will also just be the norm with dogs, and no more will there be daily threads on MN about it, other than in a reminiscent way.

Newuser75 · 10/11/2024 21:24

I have dogs. I don't think there is any need to take a dog into a shop (unless it's a pet shop).
The thought of having a dog wandering round a food shop is awful.
However, I don't think there is any issue with taking a dog to a dog friendly pub after a nice walk. This is presuming they are well behaved and not yappy or whatever. Often the dogs are only allowed in certain areas of the pub so people who aren't keen on dogs are separate.

Obviously this maybe wouldnt help the people with allergies who I can totally understand not liking dogs in indoor places.