If you have a cat you have to stop it scaring and eating birds

This is true. Cats are obligate carnivores, they can't live without meat

Because birds are special precious animals
(but then so are cats )

I had a word with next door's cat, whom I feed when they're away, after she left me two dead mice to clear up.

Her response was to stick her tail in the air, show me her arse, and flounce out the door to see her mates 😮

What's a woman to do? 🤷

No, so humans should try and balance their pet ownership with trying to reduce the impact on the bird population as these animals are becoming rarer.

Except it’s been shown repeatedly on this thread alone that this isn’t happening, there are no birds in population decline as a result of cats.

No, so humans should try and balance their pet ownership with trying to reduce the impact on the bird population as these animals are becoming rarer. I'm surprised so many are missing this point. It obviously isn't the responsibility of the cats themselves.

I’m not sure cats got the memo that humans have decided to domesticate them. They’re following their animal instinct. I don’t think k reason around what kind of cat they are comes into it.

I've probably said this before, but none of my last three indoor/outdoor cats were killers. My ginger boy brought home an empty cheese wrapper, a cigarette carton and most worrying a used teabag. I once caught him and his matching blue tabby partner in crime having cornered a rabbit but they were quickly grabbed by the scruff of the neck and rabbit was gone! Tabby boy once had a baby robin but he didn't try to kill it - I think it fell out of a nest. We took it to a vet who took in all sorts of waifs and strays but it didn't survive.

Tuxedo boy was so little of a threat to the birds that they happily ground fed even when he was in the garden. He never so much as looked at them, and they seemed to understand they were safe with him! In the 12/13 years we had him out of what we reckon was at least 20 years, he never caught or attempted to catch anything.

Mine kept losing collars so I gave up. On the plus side I rarely found evidence of him killing birds - almost all of his victims are mammals.

My current three mostly poo overnight!! Love the biscuit!

I haven't had kittens for more than 30 years! They were my furbabies when I didn't seem to be able to have human babies and I adored them! They lived to be 16/17 but they wrecked the flipping house including climbing the curtains! Every cat I've had since has either just found us (one ginger, one blue tabby whose bastard owners abandoned him when the moved - his gain! - and one tuxedo boy) or a rescue (current three).

One was a stray in a city centre (she was 5), one was neglected and living on the streets (18 months, and she'd had a litter of kittens!!) and the other boy (18 months) had had several homes before finding what was supposed to be his forever home with a lady who sadly passed away late last year, but who had given him outdoor access).

Not one of them asks to go out. The older one (now 7) runs if she hears a key in the front door!

I can assure you there is nothing natural on the Kingsland Rd

Keep the cat in your garden then, and don't allow it to the actual nature.

The birds in your garden are as much (or as little) a part of the natural order as domestic cats! We've created ecosystems which would not exist but for us.

It isn’t the natural order for domestic pets to decimate wildlife.

It’s possible to be concerned about more than one thing at a time.

A cat can’t be vegan you’ll kill the cat with that diet

Isn’t this the natural order of things? Why stop the natural order.

Im far more worried about a scally dogs murdering children TBH.

Your cats are vegan?

Haha, bad boy! An ex-stray might be different, we adopted ours as a kitten. We basically kept her indoors until she was about 9 months old (she was spayed late due to very small size), gave her a biscuit after using the litter tray each time we actually saw her using it, and now she just comes in to use it. She never goes to the loo outside (and my garden has a very tempting bark path and sandpit) - which I know because she poops in the litter box exactly once a day around 7pm whether she’s gone out or not lol. Think she associates using the indoor box with biscuits and they are creatures of habit!

The facts have been shared on this thread multiple times. Perhaps you should check them?

That bird species are not not being rendered extinct or anywhere close to extinct?

@daleylama agreed with that fact (from an RSPB link) yesterday at 17:22, but then had a rethink when the facts no longer suited her

@daleylama The facts have been shared on this thread multiple times. Perhaps you should check them?

If it’s indiscriminate, yes.

Otherwise, not necessarily.

If, as the OP suggests, you can train cats to refrain from killing birds but still to prey on (or ‘predate’ as someone said) housemice, then it might be possible to direct them towards selected humans.

My feeling, however, is that the OP would rather that no living thing killed any other living thing, ever. So I’m unlikely to get approval for my plan to have Snooky and Mittens take out the arsehole Audi man at number 29.

Above error,When he did it.

Have just found out our treacherous cat has been living on and off at a house behind us for the last 7 years. The lady calls him Paws and thought he was female as he's neutered. He was shocking for killing birds when younger , doesn't bother now but it made me feel dismayed when he didn't. I don't know the answer as cats are supreme killing machines I'm afraid. I stopped having bird tables/ feeders for years so he didn't think I'd laid on a banquet for him. He's had a car accident recently and has had to be confined to barracks while he heals. He's not too happy with this but heigh ho.

Quintette , bet he says "on your bike" !!!! 🤣

😂😂

Nah I want to see if my cat's have got a list first, once I've seen the list I may or may not consider buying a bell 😼