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DS made racist comment at school

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ellie09 · 10/11/2024 11:31

I have a DS age 7 who has ASD and he struggles quite a bit socially.

I am utterly appalled and ashamed by what I have heard this morning. This wasn't any thing directly to me or by the teacher.

DS apparently made a comment to a girl in his class saying he "didn't want to play with her as she has brown skin". This apparently blown up in a private group chat on WhatsApp that I was not aware of. I hadn't had any communications from teachers or other parents, so I was confused.

His best friend at school is a Muslim boy and his granny is Brazilian. He has grown up around different skin colours from a baby. We have had a serious conversation today in which I have told him he must apologise to this girl tomorrow.

However, I am also angry that this has been put on a WhatsApp group before anybody has even spoken to me, I assume the teachers aren't even aware. Of course, this has caused outrage in the group chat (and rightly so!) but I can't help but feel this was wrongly handled by the other parent as this is a group of 7 year old children and issues like this can escalate very quickly.

How do I handle this moving forward? Do I request a meeting with the head teacher and make them aware of the incident etc?

I feel really sick at the thought of walking my child into school tomorrow, knowing that most will be judging based on what they have heard.

Btw, I'm not in the group chat - screenshots were sent to me by another parent.

OP posts:
DizzyDandilion · 10/11/2024 21:35

Hopefully, as member of staff on chat group it will have been reported to the school already.

surreygirl1987 · 10/11/2024 21:32

DizzyDandilion · 10/11/2024 21:29

I guess I have always been ultra careful. There was a time where I was a parent, member of staff and a governor...
I will report anything I see on public forums to the school and avoid unofficial school related WhatsApp/ social media like the plague!

Which is fine to do; that's your choice. But it's also fine to be a part of these things IF used appropriately and ready to do the responsible thing if necessary.

Even the Head of a local prep school is part of a parent whatsapp group with the other parents in her year group; her child is in the year group.

napody · 10/11/2024 21:31

Have you ever read 'This is our house' by Michael Rosen? A great, simple picture book about a boy saying other children can't play for a variety of reasons: they have glasses, too small etc etc. That could be a good way into a calm discussion about how his behaviour (if he said it) was not ok. He's 7 and autistic. I think everyone needs to calm down, including you. Yes it's horrible for the girl on the receiving end, but parents should not be attributing adult motives to this.

DizzyDandilion · 10/11/2024 21:29

surreygirl1987 · 10/11/2024 21:23

Yeh I don't actually agree with @DizzyDandilion - if the member of staff is a parent, it would also be unfair to exclude her from a parent group.

That said, the moment anything inappropriate is said, the member has a responsibility to report it, not ignore it (or worse still, contribute to it).

I guess I have always been ultra careful. There was a time where I was a parent, member of staff and a governor...
I will report anything I see on public forums to the school and avoid unofficial school related WhatsApp/ social media like the plague!

BlitheSpirits · 10/11/2024 21:28

If any adult in school had been aware of your ds saying this, you would definitely have heard about it.As you haven t , you can only conclude it is childish hearsay.(Children lie to their parents a lot! If i had a £ for every time a parent came in with a cock and bull story their kid had told them , i would be vey happy!)
I would message the parent and ask them to retract the message on the board immediately or she will be hearing from your solicitor.

surreygirl1987 · 10/11/2024 21:23

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 21:20

I suppose that's up to school to decide as literally anyone can make a group - it's not really able to be policed. I do think parents need reminded though that issues with individual pupils should be dealt with the parent or the school directly, especially about issues like these, as they can escalate quite easily

Yeh I don't actually agree with @DizzyDandilion - if the member of staff is a parent, it would also be unfair to exclude her from a parent group.

That said, the moment anything inappropriate is said, the member has a responsibility to report it, not ignore it (or worse still, contribute to it).

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 21:20

DizzyDandilion · 10/11/2024 21:16

Unless an official group of some sort I would not be part of that sort of WhatsApp group if I was that TA. I do work in a school in a similar role. If part of group (which I think unwise) no comment and report to SLT. Then, if sensible, should remove self from the group.

I suppose that's up to school to decide as literally anyone can make a group - it's not really able to be policed. I do think parents need reminded though that issues with individual pupils should be dealt with the parent or the school directly, especially about issues like these, as they can escalate quite easily

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surreygirl1987 · 10/11/2024 21:19

Scattery · 10/11/2024 19:26

I'm part of the "they" you refer to here. Autism is a disability. It isn't a disorder, either. Once again, intersectionality.

Please. Do better, like you've been so fond of saying throughout this thread.

Agreed.

surreygirl1987 · 10/11/2024 21:17

KnitFastDieWarm · 10/11/2024 18:52

a) I’m talking about the OP’s child, not the OP. Her child has autism, which is a disability, and requires reasonable adjustments both legally and socially. Of course he needs to learn what is and isn’t acceptable, but he also needs understanding of his own challenges.

b) I have autism, I’m disabled. Don’t tell me how to identify myself, please!

c) you may not be aware, but many disabled people see the argument you’re making here about the term ‘disabled’ being reductive as similar to the racism-related ‘i don’t really see colour or race’ argument. Saying disabled people aren’t disabled doesn’t make us less disabled or reduce ableism. You may want to be aware of that as someone who clearly takes privilege and oppression seriously. I’d suggest making sure you’re aware of your own privilege (we all have it, in one way or another) before you pass judgment on others, as I’m sure you wouldn’t want to appear to be speaking for me as a disabled person or labelling me in a way that I don’t identify with.

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Very well said. As an autistic mother, with an autistic child, I really respect your comments here.

DizzyDandilion · 10/11/2024 21:16

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 20:25

Yes, she has a child in the same class, but is also a classroom assistant within the same school, so has every right to be in the group chat if she wants from a parents POV

Unless an official group of some sort I would not be part of that sort of WhatsApp group if I was that TA. I do work in a school in a similar role. If part of group (which I think unwise) no comment and report to SLT. Then, if sensible, should remove self from the group.

surreygirl1987 · 10/11/2024 21:16

Willyoujustbequiet · 10/11/2024 21:04

People can choose to identify how they want however autism is a disability by definition and is recognised as such in law with the protection that it brings.

It's not reductive. It's a statement of fact.

Absolutely! It is literally a disability, by law, and I have no idea why anyone would argue against that. I'll say it again. Autism is a disability.

Willyoujustbequiet · 10/11/2024 21:04

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 10/11/2024 19:15

IMO the terms has been used on this thread in a reductive manner. I am not telling you how you should I identify. I am telling you that I have been told that the term 'disabled' used as their primary descriptor is considered reductive. They prefer their disability to be acknowledged by its name ie autistic spectrum disorder/asd or adhd or social communication disorder etc. You do you. You don't speak for all people with disabilities any more that I speak for all ethnic minorities.

People can choose to identify how they want however autism is a disability by definition and is recognised as such in law with the protection that it brings.

It's not reductive. It's a statement of fact.

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 10/11/2024 21:00

Could it be that your DS has actually spent some time with someone who is racist OP? Perhaps heard another kid in the playground say something similar, because they've perhaps heard a parent say it? Maybe it's worth asking him where he's heard someone say something like this? Just a thought. I hope that you're able to put this matter to bed without any further nastiness from anyone toward your son, as he clearly doesn't understand what he's done.

Willyoujustbequiet · 10/11/2024 20:59

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 10/11/2024 18:51

Once you have educated yourself more broadly you will know what more you can do for your son and what this issue is with your current approach/way of describing things. There are lots of resources available.

Yes and I think some posters should do the same with regards to disability.

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 20:38

JLou08 · 10/11/2024 20:15

The other parents sound awful. If I was you I would be having serious words with my son, if I was the girls mum I would be very upset and would be talking to you and the school. However, I could not be involved in discussing a 7 year old in a group chat, that is disgusting behaviour. Even 7 year olds who don't have needs are still learning what is and isn't appropriate. It 100% needs to be dealt with but there should be no shaming of a 7 year old.

Yes, I have always supported the girls mum bringing it up with the school - I would have liked to have been told about it sooner than later so it was dealt with appropriately.

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Haveyouanyjam · 10/11/2024 20:30

What he has said is obviously offensive and of course the girl would have been upset and had every right to raise it to be addressed.

However, no 7 year old child is racist. If they have discriminatory world views it’s because of their home life. This is not the case here.

OP, you have done nothing wrong. You have let your son know the issue with what he said, educated him and provided consequences. Him apologising and explaining that he did not mean any offence but recognising that he did anyway, is definitely what needs to happen, with the support of the teachers.

The WhatsApp group is outrageous behaviour. It would be one thing if someone simply shared what their child had said and asked if anyone else had the same, should they tell the school etc, but shaming a 7 year old is so unnecessary.

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 20:25

cansu · 10/11/2024 20:15

Maray1967
The sen assistant is likely a parent and is on the group in that capacity. It would be v inappropriate to engage in an argument with parents in their work capacity. The only appropriate thing to do would be to not comment but report what has happened to the SLT.

Yes, she has a child in the same class, but is also a classroom assistant within the same school, so has every right to be in the group chat if she wants from a parents POV

OP posts:
JLou08 · 10/11/2024 20:15

The other parents sound awful. If I was you I would be having serious words with my son, if I was the girls mum I would be very upset and would be talking to you and the school. However, I could not be involved in discussing a 7 year old in a group chat, that is disgusting behaviour. Even 7 year olds who don't have needs are still learning what is and isn't appropriate. It 100% needs to be dealt with but there should be no shaming of a 7 year old.

cansu · 10/11/2024 20:15

Maray1967
The sen assistant is likely a parent and is on the group in that capacity. It would be v inappropriate to engage in an argument with parents in their work capacity. The only appropriate thing to do would be to not comment but report what has happened to the SLT.

DizzyDandilion · 10/11/2024 20:08

I would report the SEN support worker/ TA to the school. She absolutely should not be involved in this WhatsApp group let alone the discussion. Very unprofessional.

Gogogo12345 · 10/11/2024 20:05

mugglewump · 10/11/2024 15:34

So sorry you have been put in this situation, which is tantamount to bullying in itself. I would be asking myself where DS learnt this kind of language, and wondering if it is something he has heard previously in the playground. Definitely bring it up with school - request a meeting - and mention the Whatapp group message and how you are certain this is not a behaviour he has learnt at home.

What language?

Matronic6 · 10/11/2024 19:38

MrsSunshine2b · 10/11/2024 17:00

I said off limits for making comments about.

It's OK to ask questions about weight, race, and disability in an appropriate place out of earshot of someone who is likely to get their feelings hurt.

It's not acceptable to comment on it, especially not at school. There's no reason to be talking to someone about their body or their skin unless they raise it with you.

It's not the job of POC to answer questions about their skin colour. It's just as unacceptable as saying, "Why are you fat? I don't like fat bodies."

That's easy for you to say as an adult. Even a neurotypical 7 year old child doesn't have the same awareness and at the very least deserves the benefit of the doubt for the situation to be investigated by the school. Often when these things are investigated there is much more detail and context to the story.

From OP's comments her daughter and others said 'I don't like playing with people with brown skin' but her son has explained he said 'why so do you have brown skin? I don't like brown skin.' the two comments are very different and the second one does have context with the fact he doesn't like his own skin tanning. There is an explanation for hi comment beyond racism. Her son still needs a conversation about these comments and is a lesson to learn from by it does not merit the child being gossiped about by a group of adults.

I actually dealt with a very similar situation a couple of years back when a child.went home and told their parent another child had used the 'n word' and went straight to the class whatsapp laying into this child. Kids came in the next day and started making comments to the kids about him being racist, a term he had no understanding of, and he was obviously upset no one was playing with him. Of course none of the incident was actually raised directly with the school until I asked the childs mum at the end of the day and he told me what kids had been saying. When I spoke to the other kids the next day the revealed x had said n word, spoke to parent of the affected kids with child. Turns out the word was negro and the kid that said it was Spanish and he used it to ask for a black crayon.

But the damage had already been done. The poor kid and his family were treated poorly by the class for the rest of the year. That's why incidents like this have no place on social media, as they say there's you version, my version and the truth.

Scattery · 10/11/2024 19:26

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 10/11/2024 19:15

IMO the terms has been used on this thread in a reductive manner. I am not telling you how you should I identify. I am telling you that I have been told that the term 'disabled' used as their primary descriptor is considered reductive. They prefer their disability to be acknowledged by its name ie autistic spectrum disorder/asd or adhd or social communication disorder etc. You do you. You don't speak for all people with disabilities any more that I speak for all ethnic minorities.

I'm part of the "they" you refer to here. Autism is a disability. It isn't a disorder, either. Once again, intersectionality.

Please. Do better, like you've been so fond of saying throughout this thread.

user1471516498 · 10/11/2024 19:26

He made a mistake and upset somebody, its that simple. All kids make mistakes, thats how they learn. This needs education not punishment.

Maray1967 · 10/11/2024 19:23

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 10/11/2024 18:41

Ad yet the OP said they have not said anything on the group chat about the incident.

I would expect an employee at the school to challenge the comments not stay silent.

But - it’s always possible they haven’t seen them.

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