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DS made racist comment at school

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ellie09 · 10/11/2024 11:31

I have a DS age 7 who has ASD and he struggles quite a bit socially.

I am utterly appalled and ashamed by what I have heard this morning. This wasn't any thing directly to me or by the teacher.

DS apparently made a comment to a girl in his class saying he "didn't want to play with her as she has brown skin". This apparently blown up in a private group chat on WhatsApp that I was not aware of. I hadn't had any communications from teachers or other parents, so I was confused.

His best friend at school is a Muslim boy and his granny is Brazilian. He has grown up around different skin colours from a baby. We have had a serious conversation today in which I have told him he must apologise to this girl tomorrow.

However, I am also angry that this has been put on a WhatsApp group before anybody has even spoken to me, I assume the teachers aren't even aware. Of course, this has caused outrage in the group chat (and rightly so!) but I can't help but feel this was wrongly handled by the other parent as this is a group of 7 year old children and issues like this can escalate very quickly.

How do I handle this moving forward? Do I request a meeting with the head teacher and make them aware of the incident etc?

I feel really sick at the thought of walking my child into school tomorrow, knowing that most will be judging based on what they have heard.

Btw, I'm not in the group chat - screenshots were sent to me by another parent.

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MSLRT · 11/11/2024 00:00

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 23:37

It's frustrating because without full facts, it's been assumed to a large number of parents in DSs class.

Also, imagine what other parents will be thinking about us as parents?! If I heard something like that, I know what I would be thinking...

Which none of our family are in the slightest.

Any sensible parent will surely know this isn’t the case. I hope somebody has the courage to challenge the other parents instead of jumping on the bandwagon.

Gcsunnyside23 · 10/11/2024 23:41

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 10/11/2024 17:42

I hope the Headteacher will not be available. I hope they are focused on educating their students and creating a safe space for all children irrespective of skin colour. If parents have a WhatsApp group you need to approach those parents, its not the schools job to do it.

It's the headteachers actual job to sort issues like this with parents. And yes you bring it to the school like the other adult should have instead of gossiping on a WhatsApp group about it. Do you really think a headteacher shouldn't meet with parents to discuss incidents that happened in hand school?

JustinThyme · 10/11/2024 23:39

I'm glad you got a constructive outcome from the school.

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 23:37

MSLRT · 10/11/2024 23:34

This sounds an appropriate sensible reply. The gossipy parents who seem to be enjoying making a ridiculous drama about it on the group chat should hang their heads in shame.

It's frustrating because without full facts, it's been assumed to a large number of parents in DSs class.

Also, imagine what other parents will be thinking about us as parents?! If I heard something like that, I know what I would be thinking...

Which none of our family are in the slightest.

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ellie09 · 10/11/2024 23:35

Sawlt · 10/11/2024 23:31

Whew!

It's put my mind at ease a bit - but also an important lesson not to take children's words as gospel! You can take them seriously and investigate further, but to then go to a group chat and broadcast to multiple others on an issue such as racism without having the facts is just frustrating.

Still, DS has been spoken to about not mentioning skin colour in conversations with his friends at school moving forward.

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MSLRT · 10/11/2024 23:34

This sounds an appropriate sensible reply. The gossipy parents who seem to be enjoying making a ridiculous drama about it on the group chat should hang their heads in shame.

Sawlt · 10/11/2024 23:31

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 23:23

Update

Teacher has sent me a lengthy message back to say she was aware of an incident at school where DS had commented on a child's skin colour, but this was not malicious and deal that with straight away with DS apologising for this and that the children seemed fine.

Teacher says she believes stories have been miscommunicated with children at home and has told me not to worry as it will be addressed with the children's parents involved.

They are also sending out communications about acceptable chat in WhatsApp over any bullying allegations and talk of individual pupils

They're facilitating a meeting with me tomorrow with the teachers involved so they can explain everything fully to me

Whew!

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 23:23

Update

Teacher has sent me a lengthy message back to say she was aware of an incident at school where DS had commented on a child's skin colour, but this was not malicious and deal that with straight away with DS apologising for this and that the children seemed fine.

Teacher says she believes stories have been miscommunicated with children at home and has told me not to worry as it will be addressed with the children's parents involved.

They are also sending out communications about acceptable chat in WhatsApp over any bullying allegations and talk of individual pupils

They're facilitating a meeting with me tomorrow with the teachers involved so they can explain everything fully to me

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Scentedjasmin · 10/11/2024 22:56

Sorry, the quote didn't attach. I was referring to the unpleasant one where Socrates (I think) said that she hoped the headteacher wasn't in school tomorrow.

Scentedjasmin · 10/11/2024 22:46

What an unpleasant and peculiar comment to make. That it literally the headteacher's job and highly relevant. The headteacher rarely teachers.

Also, having read your other comments, it's clear that you just want to label the OP as a racist (and anyone who defends her with the same brush) for your own personal motives. You seem to enjoy the division here and the feeling of power you get by being sanctimonious and obstruculous. How does that help cohesion? There are many shades of grey in life, not everything is black or white and it is quite lazy to pursue that route and shout someone down without adding anything meaningful to the discussion.

DiddyRa · 10/11/2024 22:41

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 10/11/2024 18:37

Its not ablest to expect the OP to do better on the subject of racism with her DS. Everything she has written here suggests she does not have the skills to do that herself. She is obsessed with getting back at the WhatsApp group, yet here she is calling them out rather than focusing on the girl who was affected and how she can help her son learn from this. As for the son, he in on the Autistic spectrum but this does not mean there should not be reasonable expectations or consequences. The opportunity to learn on this occasion is being squandered

On disabiliy. So many people calling him a disabled 7 year old. None of the individuals I know like to be reduced to just being called 'disabled', it's reductive. They and their parents have fought hard for them to be able to reach their potential and be included when their ASD was being used to restrict their growth and make their world smaller. So don't @me about disabilities when you are being so reductive.

Disabled isn’t a dirty word. Autism by definition is a life long disability. You’re being extremely ableist by making out that disabled is such a bad word

pleasehelpwi3 · 10/11/2024 22:27

Dist · 10/11/2024 14:16

I’m sorry, but you don’t have a clue. Zero comparison. I say this as someone who is brown and whose child has also said similar. Although these comments did make me chuckle, they are really not the same, believe me.

That all said, this is a young autistic child who is clearly saying things without even knowing what he is saying. He is an autistic child. He tans easily and doesn’t like it.

I imagine it is bloody hard being the parent of an autistic child, and I feel for the op. This is a lot to navigate, but she is taking it very seriously, so I think it will all come out well. Good luck OP!

I couldn't quite follow all of your post, but I'm not sure this was meant for me?

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 22:02

user1471516498 · 10/11/2024 21:58

The OP states in an update that her child has been a victim of racism himself, and that the comment about not liking brown skin had been said to him by bullies. Echolalia can be a symptom of ASD

Echolalia is a huge symptom of his. He repeats questions at least 3 times, repeats words etc. If he hears something new he finds interesting, that's his new word or phrase. He's been like this from he was a toddler (and it does my head in too, but it's just him!)

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user1471516498 · 10/11/2024 21:58

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 10/11/2024 21:00

Could it be that your DS has actually spent some time with someone who is racist OP? Perhaps heard another kid in the playground say something similar, because they've perhaps heard a parent say it? Maybe it's worth asking him where he's heard someone say something like this? Just a thought. I hope that you're able to put this matter to bed without any further nastiness from anyone toward your son, as he clearly doesn't understand what he's done.

The OP states in an update that her child has been a victim of racism himself, and that the comment about not liking brown skin had been said to him by bullies. Echolalia can be a symptom of ASD

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 21:56

StarDolphins · 10/11/2024 21:52

Crikey! He’s a young boy with ASD. His social skills might not be how they should be. He’s made a mistake & has faced the consequences of this. He’s not even able to deal with the consequences & is crying incoherently. Mum is totally on it. No need to put the boot in.

He has been upset all day since I spoke to him about it. He had drew the girl in question a card and even cried to me and said, "I don't know that colour to draw her because I don't want people to be mad at me". He drew them both out playing holding hands.

I have also tried to prepare him for the fact that the girl may not be willing to forgive him straight away, and he needs to let her ask him to play when she is ready.

He asked me before bed, " I hope all my friends don't hate me tomorrow" which absolutely broke my heart.

He knows what he said is wrong and hopefully his apology and support from the school for both my DS and the girl involved will bring a nice resolution to this with no lasting impact.

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ThatRareUmberJoker · 10/11/2024 21:55

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 21:20

I suppose that's up to school to decide as literally anyone can make a group - it's not really able to be policed. I do think parents need reminded though that issues with individual pupils should be dealt with the parent or the school directly, especially about issues like these, as they can escalate quite easily

Don't be so naive she works at the school she has information about all the children. The headteacher will have kittens if he/she found out and they were giving out information or with holding information. She could lose her job that's how serious it is she's not some little teaching assistant she has your child.

KnitFastDieWarm · 10/11/2024 21:54

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 10/11/2024 19:15

IMO the terms has been used on this thread in a reductive manner. I am not telling you how you should I identify. I am telling you that I have been told that the term 'disabled' used as their primary descriptor is considered reductive. They prefer their disability to be acknowledged by its name ie autistic spectrum disorder/asd or adhd or social communication disorder etc. You do you. You don't speak for all people with disabilities any more that I speak for all ethnic minorities.

So what you’re saying here is that you prefer to rely on the ‘some of my best friends are disabled and they say it’s fine’ defence than to actually listening to the perspectives of the real disabled people in this thread telling you about their feelings and experiences? Can you hear yourself right now?

I’m beginning to suspect you’re on the windup here. Either that or you’re the worst kind of performative ally. As you might say, do better.

StarDolphins · 10/11/2024 21:52

Hye000 · 10/11/2024 11:45

However you are feeling about the situation… imagine how the girl felt when your son said that to her?! I’d be livid if it were one of my children, despite the parent not acting in the way you would like, they were probably bouncing off the ceiling when their child told them!

Crikey! He’s a young boy with ASD. His social skills might not be how they should be. He’s made a mistake & has faced the consequences of this. He’s not even able to deal with the consequences & is crying incoherently. Mum is totally on it. No need to put the boot in.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 10/11/2024 21:45

DizzyDandilion · 10/11/2024 21:35

Hopefully, as member of staff on chat group it will have been reported to the school already.

Op will have to wait and see. If she hasn't said anything the it's misfeasance in public office. She will be looked at as part of the problem.

DizzyDandilion · 10/11/2024 21:45

ThatRareUmberJoker · 10/11/2024 21:41

Is it worth your job being part of a toxic group?

I would say absolutely not...I wouldn't be able to deal with the stress of it either as this group obviously being inappropriate with chat.

Hye000 · 10/11/2024 21:45

surreygirl1987 · 10/11/2024 15:09

IF he said it! He doesn't deserve to be vilified before it's even been looked into! Children lie or wrong convey things all the time! The parent should absolutely have gone to the school immediately, not gone ranting to other parents on social media before anything was even looked into! The amount of things my son has come home and told me about other kids is shocking but I would never dream of starting a witch-hunt in this way.

You say if… so the victim must be lying because we can’t bare the thought that he may of actually said it. OP has said when she asks her son he bursts into tears… if he didn’t say it why would he react in such a way, he would simply deny it or say “no that’s not what I said, I said xyz”.

ellie09 · 10/11/2024 21:44

Peopleinmyphone · 10/11/2024 21:42

I would ask the person who showed you the screenshots from the WhatsApp group to post a message, saying that you have been made aware of the situation over the weekend and that you're planning on discussing it with the school tommorrow. They don't need to know anything else.

I muted a WhatsApp group like this for a similar reason, a child injured another child quite badly at school but they were both 6 for gods sake, and children went home talking about it and the group blew up discussing a 6 year old. It made me very uncomfortable and I muted it.

This is why I avoid school group chats like the plague. Any official messages I need are on the official school app

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ellie09 · 10/11/2024 21:43

DizzyDandilion · 10/11/2024 21:35

Hopefully, as member of staff on chat group it will have been reported to the school already.

This was only posted on Friday night, so I doubt it. I messaged his teacher on the school app privately today to make her aware and will be seeing the head tomorrow to make her aware also, as any adult should be.

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Peopleinmyphone · 10/11/2024 21:42

I would ask the person who showed you the screenshots from the WhatsApp group to post a message, saying that you have been made aware of the situation over the weekend and that you're planning on discussing it with the school tommorrow. They don't need to know anything else.

I muted a WhatsApp group like this for a similar reason, a child injured another child quite badly at school but they were both 6 for gods sake, and children went home talking about it and the group blew up discussing a 6 year old. It made me very uncomfortable and I muted it.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 10/11/2024 21:41

surreygirl1987 · 10/11/2024 21:32

Which is fine to do; that's your choice. But it's also fine to be a part of these things IF used appropriately and ready to do the responsible thing if necessary.

Even the Head of a local prep school is part of a parent whatsapp group with the other parents in her year group; her child is in the year group.

Is it worth your job being part of a toxic group?