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ellie09 · 10/11/2024 11:31

I have a DS age 7 who has ASD and he struggles quite a bit socially.

I am utterly appalled and ashamed by what I have heard this morning. This wasn't any thing directly to me or by the teacher.

DS apparently made a comment to a girl in his class saying he "didn't want to play with her as she has brown skin". This apparently blown up in a private group chat on WhatsApp that I was not aware of. I hadn't had any communications from teachers or other parents, so I was confused.

His best friend at school is a Muslim boy and his granny is Brazilian. He has grown up around different skin colours from a baby. We have had a serious conversation today in which I have told him he must apologise to this girl tomorrow.

However, I am also angry that this has been put on a WhatsApp group before anybody has even spoken to me, I assume the teachers aren't even aware. Of course, this has caused outrage in the group chat (and rightly so!) but I can't help but feel this was wrongly handled by the other parent as this is a group of 7 year old children and issues like this can escalate very quickly.

How do I handle this moving forward? Do I request a meeting with the head teacher and make them aware of the incident etc?

I feel really sick at the thought of walking my child into school tomorrow, knowing that most will be judging based on what they have heard.

Btw, I'm not in the group chat - screenshots were sent to me by another parent.

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ellie09 · 11/11/2024 10:34

Bushmillsbabe · 11/11/2024 10:28

@ellie09 I'm glad you got to meet with the school, and I'm sorry you have had to go through this. As a wise poster earlier in thread said, there is 'your truth, my truth and the actual truth' and it sounds like this incident has been blown far out of proportion due to false information being shared and people jumping on a bandwagon.

Did the school comment on the bullying you said your child had experienced around his skin colour?

They said they weren't aware of this but they would speak with DS to find out a bit more

Apparently there's been a couple of incidences regarding other children in different classes regarding skin colour etc but again, no malice.

They're going to set up some sessions on race, diversity etc very soon as it may be a wider issue that needs addressed throughout the entire school (and also maybe how DS has heard this to begin with)

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Bushmillsbabe · 11/11/2024 10:28

@ellie09 I'm glad you got to meet with the school, and I'm sorry you have had to go through this. As a wise poster earlier in thread said, there is 'your truth, my truth and the actual truth' and it sounds like this incident has been blown far out of proportion due to false information being shared and people jumping on a bandwagon.

Did the school comment on the bullying you said your child had experienced around his skin colour?

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 10:13

Update after school visit

I arrived at the school a little later than usual, just to help keep DS at ease as he was nervous. Walked in with no issues and sat at reception to speak to headmaster. Got speaking to her within 10 minutes.

The incident itself did not involve the girl, it involved a little boy, who is ironically DSs best friend at school. DS made a comment about skin colour (it wasn't specified what it was, but was told it wasn't malicious). Teacher known about this incident and it was dealt with there and then with DS and other boy, and apparently they were playing again after a few minutes. Some other children had overheard as they were in a group.

I asked was there perhaps another incident rather than miscommunication from the children but the school has confirmed that there was no such incident with this girl that has been mentioned in the WhatsApp and they believe it's interpretations of stories told by children when they got home.

I was the first and only parent to raise this directly with the school, and the school was not happy about individual pupils being spoken about in a WhatsApp group. They said they would reach out to these parents directly and send communications re. reporting of incidents to the school and correct procedure.

They are also reaching out to parents of the little boy that it actually was to make sure all is ok and offer meeting / additional support if they need it which I am glad they are doing.

To round off they told me they were surprised to hear that the issue made it to a WhatsApp as it was a non-issue at school that was dealt with quickly and promptly with both pupils involved. They confirmed that there was no malice behind what DS said.

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ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 09:54

Errors · 11/11/2024 09:30

I completely agree with you. Using the description ‘hurled racist abuse’ is extremely over the top and not remotely what happened. Even without the context given by the OP, I would not leap to believing that a 7 year old boy is actually racist. He made a comment that he didn’t realise was insensitive, he has been taught by the OP that it’s not good to comment on people’s skin colour and he probably won’t do it again.
Small children, I would imagine it’s even harder for those with ASD, are still very much learning to navigate the social landscape and it’s our job as parents to help them with that. The witch hunt was entirely unnecessary and there has been a lot of over the top responses from people on here!

I feel sorry for the little boy, he sounds devastated. Not to say I don’t also feel sorry for the girl that he said it to. Not a nice situation for either of them!

They read what the op had posted. The mum of the child was upset it's not nothing like the teacher said she's minimising it. Op found out yesterday through another parent what had happened and why the mother of the child is upset from a screenshot of WhatsApp messages. Mums are talking about it on WhatsApp and wondering why op knows nothing about it. Why didn't the teacher inform the op about the incident?

It's not going to go well for the teacher if she speaks to the parents about the WhatsApp messages. The teacher sounds incompetent the parents will complain.

Bushmillsbabe · 11/11/2024 09:53

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 09:14

I am surprised the op wasn't called in to the school to talk about the incident. Young people need to be taught to know right from wrong. The school doesn't seem to take bullying or racist language seriously and choose to continue like nothing happened. The op should never have found out through another parent it should have been the teacher. There doesn't seem to be any safeguarding in place.

I agree, at bare minimum she should have had a phone call from the teacher. Her child has been the victim and perpetrator of racist comments, she should have been made aware of both and a plan agreed going forward of both how to protect/support him and how to ensure there isn't a repeat of this.

I disagree with the incident being taken to a class whatts app group, but I do wonder if there is a level of frustration that the school isn't taking bullying seriously, and they are discussing it on a shared forum to try to find a way to resolve it themselves as they see the school doing nothing. The way the remarks were made about OP's son was inappropriate and unhelpful, but maybe this groups anger is more directed at the school in reality?

Golaz · 11/11/2024 09:39

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 09:38

If the school took immediate action and informed op the parents wouldn't be talking about it. It's their lack of action that has caused this. I've known schools to go down hill for this very reason. My daughter's school went from outstanding to inadequate because they never recorded anything or spoke to parents about any incidents that happened at school.

Yes that is true the school should have been much more proactive

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 09:38

Golaz · 11/11/2024 09:33

OP’s child needs to learn that making comments about someone else’s body / appearance is inappropriate because it could be hurtful and sensitive.

He also needs to learn more about race and skin colour so that it demystifies the topic for him and he doesnt have these kind of basic questions.

This is perfectly routine - small children aren’t born understanding these things.

He does not need to be : punished or shamed ; made to feel he’s done some monumentally terrible thing ; led to believe that race/ skin colour is a terrifying/ taboo / shameful topic. How is that helpful in any way? Surely that’s part of the problem. OP said her son drew a picture of him and the girl holding hands as part of his apology, but was now scared and unsure of what colour he should draw her. The lesson he has apparently learned here is ironically a racist one.

The other parents need to learn that posting unpleasant rumours about a small child on social media is wholly unacceptable- bullying and a safeguarding risk.

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If the school took immediate action and informed op the parents wouldn't be talking about it. It's their lack of action that has caused this. I've known schools to go down hill for this very reason. My daughter's school went from outstanding to inadequate because they never recorded anything or spoke to parents about any incidents that happened at school.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 09:34

No wonder the mother is upset I would be livid. I would expect action to be taken by the school. At least they are taking the WhatsApp group seriously?

Golaz · 11/11/2024 09:33

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 09:20

It doesn't matter children need to learn right from wrong. I thought the response from the teacher was poor. It's shocking how they have handled it. My son's school would never tolerate it and would talk to the parents. I wonder if they recorded it.

OP’s child needs to learn that making comments about someone else’s body / appearance is inappropriate because it could be hurtful and sensitive.

He also needs to learn more about race and skin colour so that it demystifies the topic for him and he doesnt have these kind of basic questions.

This is perfectly routine - small children aren’t born understanding these things.

He does not need to be : punished or shamed ; made to feel he’s done some monumentally terrible thing ; led to believe that race/ skin colour is a terrifying/ taboo / shameful topic. How is that helpful in any way? Surely that’s part of the problem. OP said her son drew a picture of him and the girl holding hands as part of his apology, but was now scared and unsure of what colour he should draw her. The lesson he has apparently learned here is ironically a racist one.

The other parents need to learn that posting unpleasant rumours about a small child on social media is wholly unacceptable- bullying and a safeguarding risk.

Errors · 11/11/2024 09:30

Golaz · 11/11/2024 08:46

Have you read the thread? OP has clarified that the school explained the comment itself was not what was portrayed and the girl herself didn’t even seem bothered. There’s a lot of very intense, adult projection going on here.

I completely agree with you. Using the description ‘hurled racist abuse’ is extremely over the top and not remotely what happened. Even without the context given by the OP, I would not leap to believing that a 7 year old boy is actually racist. He made a comment that he didn’t realise was insensitive, he has been taught by the OP that it’s not good to comment on people’s skin colour and he probably won’t do it again.
Small children, I would imagine it’s even harder for those with ASD, are still very much learning to navigate the social landscape and it’s our job as parents to help them with that. The witch hunt was entirely unnecessary and there has been a lot of over the top responses from people on here!

I feel sorry for the little boy, he sounds devastated. Not to say I don’t also feel sorry for the girl that he said it to. Not a nice situation for either of them!

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 09:20

Golaz · 11/11/2024 08:46

Have you read the thread? OP has clarified that the school explained the comment itself was not what was portrayed and the girl herself didn’t even seem bothered. There’s a lot of very intense, adult projection going on here.

It doesn't matter children need to learn right from wrong. I thought the response from the teacher was poor. It's shocking how they have handled it. My son's school would never tolerate it and would talk to the parents. I wonder if they recorded it.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 09:14

Jifmicroliquid · 11/11/2024 07:17

I remember my friend being called in by the school because her 6 year old described a boy as “brown Adam” (there were two Adam’s in the class)
He thought he was just using a description to tell the teacher which Adam he meant. To him I think it was the same as saying ‘blonde Amy’.

I am surprised the op wasn't called in to the school to talk about the incident. Young people need to be taught to know right from wrong. The school doesn't seem to take bullying or racist language seriously and choose to continue like nothing happened. The op should never have found out through another parent it should have been the teacher. There doesn't seem to be any safeguarding in place.

Golaz · 11/11/2024 08:46

SeulementUneFois · 11/11/2024 01:34

This OP.
The victim of the racist remark is the victim, not you.

Have you read the thread? OP has clarified that the school explained the comment itself was not what was portrayed and the girl herself didn’t even seem bothered. There’s a lot of very intense, adult projection going on here.

Jifmicroliquid · 11/11/2024 07:17

Onlycoffee · 10/11/2024 12:20

Are you sure he even said "because she's got brown skin" rather than using her brown skin as a description?
My dd is autistic and used to refer to people by unusual descriptions eg peach colour hands, rainbow under the eyes, sparkly hair (blonde).

I remember my friend being called in by the school because her 6 year old described a boy as “brown Adam” (there were two Adam’s in the class)
He thought he was just using a description to tell the teacher which Adam he meant. To him I think it was the same as saying ‘blonde Amy’.

Namechange61 · 11/11/2024 06:29

Duckingella · 11/11/2024 01:19

Maybe your son said a offhand remark that's been twisted as 7 year olds aren't exactly reliable for remembering exactly what was said and stuff ends up abit like Chinese whispers.

The parent of the kid involved is a absolute arsehole for posting that in a WhatsApp group ostracising your son and yourself by association.

The parent should have spoken with the school and yourself and started spreading a damaging rumour that might not even be truthful.

This comment demonstrates exactly the point I made earlier about how racism is perpetuated in society. OP has clearly stated that the parent of the other child is not involved in the witch hunt and not on the WhatsApp group of gossips, yet here you are quick to lay the blame at her door. I wonder why that is? Many people on this thread have been quick to attack the parent of the little girl who OP has been clear has nothing to do with the WhatsApp group. The rumour could have been started by anybody.

It’s almost like people recognise how harmful racism is so they do not want to be associated it, but would rather focus on creating a label and rejecting it, even going as far as attacking victims, anything to keep themselves away from the label, without thinking of how other people have been hurt. This is not helpful. Even OP herself has admitted jumping to conclusions when she saw the screenshots and that she herself would have been judgemental of parents she deemed as racist if it hadn’t been her parenting and her son that were the subject of discussion. But such attitudes are unhelpful.

If, as some other posters have pointed out, the focus was first and foremost on supporting the child who had to experience racist comments, the outcome would have been more constructive. The reason comments about skin colour hurt more than other playground teasing (such as wearing glasses) is because of the whole structure of prejudice and discrimination built around skin colour and the way such playground incidents feed into them. We can all help to dismantle this system by recognising and treating each other as human, healing hurt first before jumping into defensive or even attacking mode which builds and deepens resentments.

DizzyDandilion · 11/11/2024 06:15

Glad being sorted out sensibly by the school and that the vigilante WhatsApp group being spoken to.
Working at a school myself, weekend or not, I would have contacted teacher/SLT by email copying all in to make sure picked up. Hopefully, the TA did otherwise she is part of it.
By the sounds of the WhatsApp group she is very unwise to be part of it at all.

SomeSuperhero · 11/11/2024 01:51

Duckingella · 11/11/2024 01:37

I'd write a formal complaint and email to the school FOA Head teacher and the school governors.

I'd say that an rumour being shared via a social media app from one parent to multiple others has put your very vulnerable child in danger (which it has potentially especially if these parents decide to form a playground mob to confront you when your son is present) and that this has breached safeguarding policies.

Say that you are concerned that the parents involved may incite their children to isolate your son and potentially lead to long term bullying.

Say that this other parent's actions have lead to a hostile environment for yourself and your son.

School governors do not get involved in school complaints until they have been through the complaints process. You can cc or FOA governors all you like, but they won’t see it due to the way complaints policies are set up.

Orangeandgold · 11/11/2024 01:50

My daughter, a black girl, was harassed by a boy with SEN at school, they were 9 years of age at the time. He would pull her hair and rip her jumper off her and get right in her face and make kissy noises.

His mum told me that he is obsessed with her dark skin. I did not tell my daughter this. I didn’t want her to think that her skin meant that she should take on abuse. For months, we all made excuses for the boys SEN, and that it wasn’t that bad until I saw the behaviour myself and my daughter started HATING school.

I dealt with this by speaking with the school - but I was aware of how sensitive this topic was and I didn’t want to get it wrong so I did end up speaking to a bunch of friends I trusted beforehand so that I could tackle this correctly and sensitively but whilst also making sure that the school could protect my daughter. - this may be what the other parent is doing, but it seems her friends have a WA group? At the same time, the boys mum that had SEN was also battling with the school to ensure that her son was getting the care he needed as he was also being bullied by another group.

Im sharing to say that it is very complex. At this young age it’s more of an insensitive comment and I would do everything in my power to get that thinking out - because it is mean - and as we can see from this post - regardless of your skin colour, comments on skin and personal appearances can last a lifetime.

In my case, my friends didn’t share on a WhatsApp group. That mum is probably venting and maybe she doesn’t have the tools to deal with this via the school (I was part of the PTA and so many parents didn’t know how to make their complaints heard by the school effectively). Maybe she does and I’m sure she will approach the school too.

Yes speak to the school. If you can, speak to the girls mum to clear anything there if it’s safe. Speak to your son. If he has a support worker at school, get them involved.

I would be asking the school to do more work on inclusion.

Duckingella · 11/11/2024 01:37

I'd write a formal complaint and email to the school FOA Head teacher and the school governors.

I'd say that an rumour being shared via a social media app from one parent to multiple others has put your very vulnerable child in danger (which it has potentially especially if these parents decide to form a playground mob to confront you when your son is present) and that this has breached safeguarding policies.

Say that you are concerned that the parents involved may incite their children to isolate your son and potentially lead to long term bullying.

Say that this other parent's actions have lead to a hostile environment for yourself and your son.

SeulementUneFois · 11/11/2024 01:34

MrsSunshine2b · 10/11/2024 14:05

I can see you are ashamed and disappointed but I'd be very wary of centring yourself and your son as the victims as this situation progresses.

Your son- for whatever reason- hurled racist abuse at another child which is awful. He may well have done it impulsively or had a good reason to want to hurt her, but it's unacceptable.

The Mum shared a traumatic incident with her friends on a WhatsApp group. No-one should be pressured into not speaking out about racism when it happens.

I would forget being "livid" that this has been shared, offer a full and frank apology to the Mum and do what you can to get to the bottom of why your son said it and make sure he understands why it's not OK. It will blow over soon enough and you can all move on.

This OP.
The victim of the racist remark is the victim, not you.

Duckingella · 11/11/2024 01:19

Maybe your son said a offhand remark that's been twisted as 7 year olds aren't exactly reliable for remembering exactly what was said and stuff ends up abit like Chinese whispers.

The parent of the kid involved is a absolute arsehole for posting that in a WhatsApp group ostracising your son and yourself by association.

The parent should have spoken with the school and yourself and started spreading a damaging rumour that might not even be truthful.

Pippy2022 · 11/11/2024 01:00

I know of an almost identical scenario involving a sen child and I'm glad to say it occurred without any of the parental drama you have unfortunately experienced in real life and partly on this thread for that matter. Kids say stuff. It happens! 7 year old ffs.

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 00:32

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 00:28

I bet the TA has reported the group to the class teacher. Adults are worse than children when it comes to bullying.

No - I reported it, she was shocked to have even heard about it

That being said, she likely would have brought it up tomorrow

The TA is also a good friend of my DSs dad

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ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 00:28

I bet the TA has reported the group to the class teacher. Adults are worse than children when it comes to bullying.

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 00:06

MSLRT · 11/11/2024 00:00

Any sensible parent will surely know this isn’t the case. I hope somebody has the courage to challenge the other parents instead of jumping on the bandwagon.

From the replies I seen on the screenshot it seemed to be the opposite - calling out the child as disgusting and calling for the school to react as harshly as possible

Yet how can they react when the school weren't even notified by the parent and it's been put straight onto a WhatsApp group instead?

If it was addressed with the teacher, it would have been cleared up there and then and no need for all the drama.

Glad I stay out of these types of groups and cliques as my hair would be pulled out.

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