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DS made racist comment at school

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ellie09 · 10/11/2024 11:31

I have a DS age 7 who has ASD and he struggles quite a bit socially.

I am utterly appalled and ashamed by what I have heard this morning. This wasn't any thing directly to me or by the teacher.

DS apparently made a comment to a girl in his class saying he "didn't want to play with her as she has brown skin". This apparently blown up in a private group chat on WhatsApp that I was not aware of. I hadn't had any communications from teachers or other parents, so I was confused.

His best friend at school is a Muslim boy and his granny is Brazilian. He has grown up around different skin colours from a baby. We have had a serious conversation today in which I have told him he must apologise to this girl tomorrow.

However, I am also angry that this has been put on a WhatsApp group before anybody has even spoken to me, I assume the teachers aren't even aware. Of course, this has caused outrage in the group chat (and rightly so!) but I can't help but feel this was wrongly handled by the other parent as this is a group of 7 year old children and issues like this can escalate very quickly.

How do I handle this moving forward? Do I request a meeting with the head teacher and make them aware of the incident etc?

I feel really sick at the thought of walking my child into school tomorrow, knowing that most will be judging based on what they have heard.

Btw, I'm not in the group chat - screenshots were sent to me by another parent.

OP posts:
user1484745101 · 11/11/2024 22:36

Hagpie · 11/11/2024 19:45

Talk to the mum about how seriously you are taking this. I am 31 and grew up in an area where 29/30 kids in my class were Asian. When I was 8 my best friends said they wouldn’t play with me because “your skin is dirty.” The child’s mum would have had memories like that and I would be frothing at the mouth.

Gently, autism is irrelevant here; you’re just trying to make yourself feel better. In fact, they often have a stronger sense of social justice than most people. Everything you’ve said is really about you and how you feel.

I disagree with you and I am brown. Just because somebody was mean to you and made unkind comment about skin colour decades ago does not mean this kid is doing the same.

And autism is relevant here..Op has punished her son and asked him to apologise to the girl. Little girl's mum has not wrote on the whatapp, its parents of a 3rd child. Also what is said on whatsapp and what op's son says are two different versions. So she also has a right to care for her son. He did not tell little girl's skin is dirty, nor did he say he will exclude her on the basis of her skin. So it's different from your experience.

HermoinePotter · 11/11/2024 22:30

getthosetitsup · 11/11/2024 19:52

They can't police it, but they can make their views on this practice very clear. It might just make one or two people take a look at how they conduct themselves. Some people do embrace personal growth and learn to do better next time.

The school have said what the OP's son said was not malicious, but this WA chat certainly seems to have taken a malicious turn. They have basically tried a 7yo on their virtual kangaroo court and found him guilty. That is not okay.

The school can say what they like, they can put out communication on their views until they’re blue in the face but this will never stop parents having private Watsapp groups. As I said, they can’t control what other parents say on groups. The OP wasn’t on the group, she was sent screenshots of it. Absolutely no-one can control what’s said on Watsapp chats whether others like it or not. Many times I’ve seen a HT put out communication only to backfire on them, parents do not like being dictated to especially regarding what’s said on private chats/snap chat etc. SLT can, to an extent, control what happens in the school setting but certainly not outwith that setting. I hardly see how the child was “tried in a kangaroo court“ on Watsapp. Yes, some parents may have shared their views with others but he’s hardly been “tried’ for goodness sake. I would assume all the upset parents approached the school regarding the comments made and have now been assured that the situation was dealt with at the time. I was SLT for many years and it’s not unusual for a group of parents to have Watsapp chats going.

Golaz · 11/11/2024 22:28

tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:45

As your son did nothing wrong, you need to tell him you were wrong for punishing him. I cannot believe that adults made such a pigs ear of this situation.

Yes this

Golaz · 11/11/2024 22:27

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 20:39

I would also like to know how others would have handled it

Effectively, I have punished my child for an incident that didn't even occur with the child in question. But anyhow, he was educated and spoken to on racial matters, did an apology card and he didn't get to go swimming etc that day.

How else do you "punish" a 7 year old?

I wouldn’t have punished him at all. Children shouldn’t be punished for their innocence- that’s harmful. He simply needed some education about race and when and how it’s appropriate to ask certain questions.

surreygirl1987 · 11/11/2024 22:26

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 20:09

Luckily, the school have said they witnessed what he said and determined it was not malicious. He was spoken to, and the boy he said it to is his best friend, they played again a few minutes later.

The WhatsApp group are completely untrue with who the person was, and the comment that was made. This was all tales sent home to parents from children who had heard and made their own story of the event.

I reached out to the boy in questions parents, as DS and this boy are good friends and this boy also has SEN. They told me they understood and it was quote alright and their son was not affected and really valued DS friendship. They told me not to worry, and that is was absolutely fine.

Good. So glad. Maybe all the witch-hunters on here will back off now.

Then again, maybe not. 🙄

user1484745101 · 11/11/2024 22:23

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 10/11/2024 17:42

I hope the Headteacher will not be available. I hope they are focused on educating their students and creating a safe space for all children irrespective of skin colour. If parents have a WhatsApp group you need to approach those parents, its not the schools job to do it.

You are being unnecessarily harsh to OP and acting superior.
I am brown skin but don't understand this need to put down a woman who has done nothing wrong and admits her son made a mistake. She has educated her child on skin colour but 7 is still very young and they are still learning.

surreygirl1987 · 11/11/2024 22:20

Hagpie · 11/11/2024 19:45

Talk to the mum about how seriously you are taking this. I am 31 and grew up in an area where 29/30 kids in my class were Asian. When I was 8 my best friends said they wouldn’t play with me because “your skin is dirty.” The child’s mum would have had memories like that and I would be frothing at the mouth.

Gently, autism is irrelevant here; you’re just trying to make yourself feel better. In fact, they often have a stronger sense of social justice than most people. Everything you’ve said is really about you and how you feel.

Are you kidding? Autism is irrelevant here? No. And stop it with the faux-nice 'gently'. Autism IS entirely relevant here. I can't believe that you are dismissing this child's disability. You do know what autism is don't you...? Because the fact that you think it isn't relevant suggests that you don't.

God, there's some ignorant people around.

user1484745101 · 11/11/2024 22:11

pollymere · 11/11/2024 21:08

The inside of the tape dispenser fell on my foot during a lesson. The kids started shouting that I'd said a rude word or sworn and telling their parents this had happened. Except I hadn't. I actually said something like "Well that hurt." I had adult staff to back me up too.

This is a totally unacceptable witch hunt. Your son said nothing of the sort. The teacher hasn't spoken to you about it because it never happened. This needs to be nipped in the bud - ideally in assembly where your son's name is declared innocent. And the parents need to learn some manners. Your child has ASD. What's their excuse for completely unacceptable behaviour and lack of social skills? Do they think he's feral?!

Your son has nothing to apologise for. I think his class and their parents owe him a huge apology in person.

I have had a few similar incident, where I was accused of something I didn't say. The kid accusing me was the over imaginative, mischievous kind. I was the quieter kid so I couldn't get my word against him.

croydon15 · 11/11/2024 22:06

tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:45

As your son did nothing wrong, you need to tell him you were wrong for punishing him. I cannot believe that adults made such a pigs ear of this situation.

This

user1484745101 · 11/11/2024 22:05

MrsSunshine2b · 10/11/2024 14:18

He might not have meant to, but that's how the little girl would have felt in that situation.

That's presumably not how you felt when your 6 year old said that, but hopefully you had a serious talk with her about not making comments about other people's bodies and have done some educating around gender roles and stereotypes, because you know that that's not OK for her to go around saying and don't want her to do that to someone else, who might be very hurt.

Her mother doesn't have to just hush up about that to avoid upsetting the white people in the situation. I'd also have been mortified if this had been my child. It sounds like the best solution is to have the two parents discuss this with the Head to mediate.

Whilst the OP can explain that her child being autistic might have influenced the situation, the worst thing she can do is make it all about how the other mother shouldn't have shared the incident with anyone else.

Mum of little girl did not share on WhatsApp. It was some other kid.

I remember when I was little, my cousin completely changed what I said and told his mother. He was the one who was bully.

Op's son could be completely in wrong or it could be the other child heard Op's son say 'brown skin' and added extra bit that he said he does not want to play with little girl because her skin is brown.

Nofurme · 11/11/2024 21:24

Singlepringle1980 · 10/11/2024 12:36

At that age his comment could just have easily been “I don’t want to play because you have blue eyes/red hair/blond hair/freckles/are tall/small/fat/skinny/ male/female”. He has expressed a feeling on a basis of physical difference not race. Any and all of those things would need to be explained to him in terms of why they are hurtful. Parents jumping to call him out as racist are missing the point entirely and causing drama where it is not needed. If he’d used a racial slur or directly referred to ethnicity it would be different.

this exactly. This is a 7 year old 😢

Sleepytiredyawn · 11/11/2024 21:18

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 19:09

You mean black friend?

I mean what I said thanks.

pollymere · 11/11/2024 21:08

The inside of the tape dispenser fell on my foot during a lesson. The kids started shouting that I'd said a rude word or sworn and telling their parents this had happened. Except I hadn't. I actually said something like "Well that hurt." I had adult staff to back me up too.

This is a totally unacceptable witch hunt. Your son said nothing of the sort. The teacher hasn't spoken to you about it because it never happened. This needs to be nipped in the bud - ideally in assembly where your son's name is declared innocent. And the parents need to learn some manners. Your child has ASD. What's their excuse for completely unacceptable behaviour and lack of social skills? Do they think he's feral?!

Your son has nothing to apologise for. I think his class and their parents owe him a huge apology in person.

GoldsolesLugs · 11/11/2024 21:06

So much apologia on this thread. Attitudes really coming out!

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 21:04

tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:53

I would have told others in the group to grow the F up and pack it in until the facts from the school were known. I also wouldn't indulge my kid who says something controversial about another kid until I had the facts. But then, I am not a childish gossip.

Unfortunately, I wasn't a member of th3 group to tell them. Then nobody would add me once the comment was made

OP posts:
tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:53

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 20:39

I would also like to know how others would have handled it

Effectively, I have punished my child for an incident that didn't even occur with the child in question. But anyhow, he was educated and spoken to on racial matters, did an apology card and he didn't get to go swimming etc that day.

How else do you "punish" a 7 year old?

I would have told others in the group to grow the F up and pack it in until the facts from the school were known. I also wouldn't indulge my kid who says something controversial about another kid until I had the facts. But then, I am not a childish gossip.

wonderingwhatlifemeans · 11/11/2024 20:50

@ellie09 I would maybe do work with him on how changes are not a bad thing. I posted earlier about a similar reaction my niece has to spots. My sister is doing lots of social stories and science work about the changes puberty will bring. You do have a while but they will start learning about it in school.

We have books we use in our book corners so the children are used to seeing them all year round. This is just one example and others may know better ones.

DS made racist comment at school
Matronic6 · 11/11/2024 20:49

ThatRareUmberJoker · 11/11/2024 19:24

Yet the school has admitted to the op that there is a problem with other kids talking about skin colour. They should have brought it up so op had the chance to talk to her son and guide him. They are 7 now and then 8,9, 10 and so on. The hard work starts now on making sure our little people grow up to be civilised individuals.

OP's son isn't accountable for what the other kids were saying, he can only be held to account for his own actions. Clearly the school felt whatever was said was so inconsequential and minor there was nothing to report therefore nothing to talk to him about or guide him on.

Sounds like the school are doing the right thing by addressing it in school through lessons and putting out guidance on the dangers of dealing with incidents in school via Whatsapp.

tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:45

As your son did nothing wrong, you need to tell him you were wrong for punishing him. I cannot believe that adults made such a pigs ear of this situation.

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 20:39

tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:32

lol, ok. She's already said she was appalled and spoke to him. How about you rein it in a little. He is also 7 and grown ass adults are bitching about him in a Whatsapp group. You'd be in there like a shot, I can tell. You live for it.

I would also like to know how others would have handled it

Effectively, I have punished my child for an incident that didn't even occur with the child in question. But anyhow, he was educated and spoken to on racial matters, did an apology card and he didn't get to go swimming etc that day.

How else do you "punish" a 7 year old?

OP posts:
Golaz · 11/11/2024 20:37

I'm not saying sexism is the same as racism

why isn’t sexism the same as racism? Why do we correctly recognise that one is profoundly wrong and just tolerate/ laugh about the other ?

tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:37

Replies from harridans on this post lol....
There is absolutely nothing wrong with children curiously asking about skin colour and if people think there is, that is them projecting their own insecurities and experiences through their own lens. It ain't about you. Narcissists aplenty on this site.

ellie09 · 11/11/2024 20:37

MisunderstoodWitch · 11/11/2024 20:14

Sorry, wasn't clear. My ds attended the same school that I work at. I had to always be careful about what I said or did. Doesn't sound like the classroom assistant at your school with a child in your ds class has been.

That's ok - I only realised once I re-read 🤣

OP posts:
tillymintt · 11/11/2024 20:32

CatalinaLoo · 10/11/2024 14:12

How about sorry for a little girl who’s had her first taste of racism at the grand old age of 7.

lol, ok. She's already said she was appalled and spoke to him. How about you rein it in a little. He is also 7 and grown ass adults are bitching about him in a Whatsapp group. You'd be in there like a shot, I can tell. You live for it.

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